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Rick Santorum is an idiot, a bigot, and morally inconsistent...

The question should not be over definition, but to challenge one to come up with reasons there should not be a legal arrangement between same sex couples that offers the same rights as a married couple.

What to call it is less important.

If it's just a matter of "public will" then Robert Prey should be fine with it as soon as enough people want to vote it in. If he doesn't change his mind at that point, I imagine there must be some other problem.
 
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Robert Prey said:
Marriage defined:

"The legal status, condition, or relationship that results from a contract by which one man and one woman, who have the capacity to enter into such an agreement, mutually promise to live together in the relationship of Husband and Wife in law for life, or until the legal termination of the relationship.

Marriage is a legally sanctioned contract between a man and a woman. Entering into a marriage contract changes the legal status of both parties, giving husband and wife new rights and obligations. Public policy is strongly in favor of marriage based on the belief that it preserves the family unit. Traditionally, marriage has been viewed as vital to the preservation of morals and civilization."

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Marriage+(traditional)

You can call a pig a horse, but it is still a pig.
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While you linked to "traditional marriage" and not marriage, within the link which redirects to marriage defined in the legal dictionary one finds:
The 1993 decision of the Hawaii Supreme Court in Baehr v. Lewin, 852 P.2d 44, 74 Haw. 530, revived the possibility of homosexual marriage. In Baehr, the court held that the state law restricting legal marriage to parties of the opposite sex establishes a sex-based classification, which is subject to strict constitutional scrutiny when challenged on equal protection grounds. Although the court did not recognize a constitutional right to same-sex marriage, it indicated that the state would have a difficult time proving that the gay and lesbian couples were not being denied equal protection of the laws. On remand, the Circuit Court of Hawaii found that the state had not met its burden, and it enjoined the state from denying marriage applications solely because the applicants were of the same sex (Baehr v. Miike, 1996 WL 694235 [Hawaii Cir. Ct., Dec. 3, 1996]). However, this decision was stayed pending another appeal to the Hawaii Supreme Court. In the wake of Baehr, a number of states prepared legislation to ban same-sex marriage and to prohibit recognition of such marriages performed in Hawaii. In 1996, Congress enacted the Defense of Marriage Act, Pub. L. No. 104–199, 110 Sat. 219, which defines marriage as a legal union between one man and one woman and permits states to refuse to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states.
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But your citation is out of date and same sex marriage is currently legal in several states:


Same Sex marriage in the US by state
Since 1.1.2010, New Hampshire allows full civil marriage licences to same-sex couples and all civil unions automatically converted into civil marriage a year later.

Vermont allows full civil marriage licences to same-sex couples since 2009 after the Civil Marriage Equality And Religious Freedoms Bill passed the 2009 Vermont Legislature, then the Governor Jim Douglas vetoed the bill and then the veto was overridden. Civil unions are still recognised between 2000 to 2009, but after 2009 can not be performed - also there is no "conversion into civil marriage" (as both CT and NH have done next door). Vermont practically invented the term "civil union" in 1999 after the court case of Baker v. Vermont. Then in the following year passing the Civil Union Bill in the 2000 Vermont Legislature and got signed into law by then Governor Howard Dean.
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Same-sex marriage in IowaWP
Same-sex marriage in MassachusettsWP
Same-sex marriage in New YorkWP

DOMA merely says one state need not recognize a marriage from another state. Amendments to expand the restrictions on SSM have failed to pass as far as I can see.

Sorry, you lose.
 
Tricky said:
Sometimes it wrecks families and, sometimes polyandrous families are perfectly happy. I'd have to see some hard statistics on the divorce rates of polyandrous couples vs. monogamous (and monoandrous) couples to make such a conclusion. However, even if this is the case, there is still the issue of personal freedom. Many people do many things that "wreck" families. Do you want them all to be illegal? We tried prohibition, you know.

And children still aren't consenting adults. While wrecked families are tragic for children, it is still true that children cannot decide what their parents do. I doubt seriously that you are suggesting they should have such power.
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I think you mean polyamourus not polyandrous. Polyandary is one wife and multiple husbands.
 
I'm convinced that may of the people who rant and rail against homosexual marriage do so because they want to make sure their lover can never sue them for alimony.
 
I'd love for someone to finally explain how same sex marriage will destroy heterosexual marriages.

I mean they keep saying it will but never elaborate.
 
Tricky said:
I'm convinced that may of the people who rant and rail against homosexual marriage do so because they want to make sure their lover can never sue them for alimony.
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That would seem to fit with the slew of anti-gay gay guys that keep being outed by their behavior. :)
 
Robert Prey said:
Marriage defined:

"The legal status, condition, or relationship that results from a contract by which one man and one woman, who have the capacity to enter into such an agreement, mutually promise to live together in the relationship of Husband and Wife in law for life, or until the legal termination of the relationship.

Marriage is a legally sanctioned contract between a man and a woman. Entering into a marriage contract changes the legal status of both parties, giving husband and wife new rights and obligations. Public policy is strongly in favor of marriage based on the belief that it preserves the family unit. Traditionally, marriage has been viewed as vital to the preservation of morals and civilization."

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Marriage+(traditional)

You can call a pig a horse, but it is still a pig.
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oooh! I can play this game too.

Dictionary.com
mar·riage   [mar-ij] Show IPA
noun
1.
a.
the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc. Antonyms: separation.
b.
a similar institution involving partners of the same gender: gay marriage. Antonyms: separation.
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Miriam Webster
Definition of MARRIAGE
1
a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage>
b : the mutual relation of married persons : wedlock
c : the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage
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Oxford Dictionary
noun
1the formal union of a man and a woman, typically as recognized by law, by which they become husband and wife:
she has three children from a previous marriage
[mass noun] the state of being married:
women want equality in marriage
informal a union between partners of the same sex; a civil partnership.
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Or how about from the same site you used, but not restricting the search by adding 'traditional'
mar·riage (mrj)
n.
1.
a. The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife, and in some jurisdictions, between two persons of the same sex, usually entailing legal obligations of each person to the other.
b. A similar union of more than two people; a polygamous marriage.
c. A union between persons that is recognized by custom or religious tradition as a marriage.
d. A common-law marriage.
e. The state or relationship of two adults who are married
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So, the top 3 sites under a google search for 'dictionary' along with the OED (which was not front page but a prestigious dictionary) all include gay unions in their definitions of marriage.
 
cwalner said:
So, the top 3 sites under a google search for 'dictionary' along with the OED (which was not front page but a prestigious dictionary) all include gay unions in their definitions of marriage.
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Which proves what? That homosexuals have taken over the dictionary business perhaps? Or, the moral decadence of Western Civilization? Both, I suspect.
 
Robert Prey said:
It sure can't help with the propagation of the species, can it?
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How will that destroy heterosexual marriage? It's not like non-hetero sexuality is increasing massively. Most reports I've seen suggest that numbers remain pretty flat. The population of the planet is growning as well (we've hit the 7bn mark apparently).

So, more people, more children, more hetero-marriages, n'est-ce pas?
 
Robert Prey said:
Which proves what? That homosexuals have taken over the dictionary business perhaps?
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So that's what the gay agenda is, take over the dictionary business! Are they going to take over the thesaurus business too?
 
Robert Prey said:
Which proves what? That homosexuals have taken over the dictionary business perhaps? Or, the moral decadence of Western Civilization? Both, I suspect.
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Wait, You used the dictionary as a defense for how marriage is defined.
When this same approach was used to contradict your argument, you claimed a grand conspiracy as a way of invalidating the argument by definition.

Sorry, you don't get to have it both ways. Either you agree that resorting to the dictionary is a valid argument or it isn't.
 
Robert Prey said:
It sure can't help with the propagation of the species, can it?
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How is that relevant to marriage? More to the point, what does that have to do with gay marriage and the claim that it effects straight marriage?

You've avoided addressing the topic on any meaningful level with just about every post. It's almost as if you are unable to support a ban on gay marriage.
 
Okay, maybe I'm asking the wrong question.

If Rick Santorum is not bigoted against homosexuals, what would bigotry against homosexuals look like? What would it involve?
 
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