Marines Urinating on Dead Guys?

[A'isha]

we have rescued Muslims from brutal dictators

I wonder what planet Victor Hanson has been visiting. Because here on Earth, not so much.

Anyway, keep on Fighting the Good Fight in the name of Orientalism. Bernard Lewis must be so relieved to have outlived Edward Said.

 

[Virus]

I don't think any of them actually believes that. Where did you get this idea ? Where's your evidence ?

Bernard Lewis.

Do you have a specific example in mind of fundamentalist muslims invading and occupying western nations and ressources ?

You think that's the only way of starting wars?

 

[Virus]

I wonder what planet Victor Hanson has been visiting. Because here on Earth, not so much.

You couldn't be more wrong.

Muslims in the Balkans were rescued from the genocidal Serb forces.

Kuwait was rescued from Iraqi occupation.

Kurds in the north and Shiia in the south of Iraq were protected by no-fly zones.

The US even saved Nasser's punk, worthless ass from being overthown by the British, French and Israelis. (Which would have been a good thing.)

All of those things are facts. Deal with it.

 

[A'isha]

Muslims in the Balkans were rescued from the genocidal Serb forces.

What dictator was involved with that again?

Kuwait was rescued from Iraqi occupation.

Kurds in the north and Shiia in the south of Iraq were protected by no-fly zones.

Ah, yes. Saved from Saddam "you can slaughter as many Muslims as you like until it becomes inconvenient for us" Hussein.

The US even saved Nasser's punk, worthless ass from being overthown by the British, French and Israelis. (Which would have been a good thing.)

Nasser? The guy who you described in this thread as a totalitarian who was worse than the Shah and wanted to "break down all social institutions and remodel them according to some psychopathic ideology"?

So, wouldn't that be less of a case of the US "rescuing Muslims from brutal dictators", and more of a case of the US "ensuring that Muslims suffered under brutal dictators"?

How, exactly, does that help your (and Hanson's) argument? "Muslims should be grateful to the US for rescuing them from brutal dictators when those dictators start working against US interests instead of for them, and making sure those brutal dictators stay in power otherwise" seems to me to fall somewhat short of compelling...

Maybe you need to come back to Earth.

Do you agree with Bernard Lewis' assessment of the roots of anti-Semitism in the modern Arab world, Virus?

Just curious, since you seem to be hyping him so much in this thread.

 

[Virus]

What dictator was involved with that again?

Slobodan Milosevic.

Ah, yes. Saved from Saddam "you can slaughter as many Muslims as you like until it becomes inconvenient for us" Hussein.

Note that you never actually denied fact that no-fly zones protected Muslims or that the US protected Kuwait. Because you know you can't deny it.

Nasser? The guy who you described in this thread as a totalitarian who was worse than the Shah and wanted to "break down all social institutions and remodel them according to some psychopathic ideology"?

So, wouldn't that be less of a case of the US "rescuing Muslims from brutal dictators", and more of a case of the US "ensuring that Muslims suffered under brutal dictators"?

How, exactly, does that help your (and Hanson's) argument? "Muslims should be grateful to the US for rescuing them from brutal dictators when those dictators start working against US interests instead of for them, and making sure those brutal dictators stay in power otherwise" seems to me to fall somewhat short of compelling...

They thought they were doing a good thing by preventing his overthrow. In reality it would have been a good thing.

Do you agree with Bernard Lewis' assessment of the roots of anti-Semitism in the modern Arab world, Virus?

Just curious, since you seem to be hyping him so much in this thread.

I'm not hyping him.

 

[A'isha]

Slobodan Milosevic.

He was a dictator?

Note that you never actually denied fact that no-fly zones protected Muslims or that the US protected Kuwait. Because you know you can't deny it.

We didn't do it to protect Muslims, though. When Saddam invaded the Muslim country of Iran, we gave him money and materiel, looked the other way as he gassed Kurds, and sent Donald Rumsfeld to go shake his hand. When he invaded the Muslim country of Kuwait, we went to war against him and imposed a no-fly zone over Kurdish territory.

Can you tell me the difference between the two invasions?

EDIT: Or, in other words, "Sure, I helped this guy when he was trying to burn down a synagogue. And kept the cops from arresting all those other guys who also burned down synagogues. But I stopped him when he tried to burn down that one synagogue when I was worried the fire might spread to my house! And yet the Jewish Community still doesn't trust me! I mean, I stopped an arsonist, what more do they want? Bunch of ingrates!"

They thought they were doing a good thing by preventing his overthrow. In reality it would have been a good thing.

Note that you never actually deny that the US kept a dictator in power over Muslims instead of "rescuing Muslims" from him. Because you know you can't deny it.

I'm not hyping him.

Then why do you keep namedropping him in single-sentence responses, as if that means something?

 

[Robrob]

Then why do you keep namedropping him in single-sentence posts, as if that means something?

Classic, "Just because I cite someone doesn't mean I agree with them."

 

[Morrigan]

I think urinating on an enemy is in pretty poor taste and makes you look like a primitive brute, but I can understand how if for instance you were pinned down for a week by a couple of a guys in a crow's nest who had possibly even killed one of your friends how you'd start entertaining thoughts like that if you finally made it out alive.

This is something I'd assume happens constantly, but should never be condoned. I'm surprised at how many people seem to find this sort of behavior surprising. I think there should be disciplinary action taken against the soldiers in question, but nothing as severe as a war crime.

This.

 

[pipelineaudio]

You SHOOT real bullets at me, I pee on you

Seems quite charitable really

 

[Virus]

How much Muslim outrage would there be if an Islamic terrorist pissed on a dead marine?

How many profuse apologies from the Muslim world could we expect from that?

 

[A'isha]

How much Muslim outrage would there be if an Islamic terrorist pissed on a dead marine?

How many profuse apologies from the Muslim world could we expect from that?

So, you're saying that the US Marine Corps is to the Western world what al-Qaeda is to the Muslim world?

 

[Virus]

So, you're saying that the US Marine Corps is to the Western world what al-Qaeda is to the Muslim world?

No. But by claiming there is popular Muslim outrage because some marines pissed on a dead terrorist would be to tacitly claim they support the terrorists.

 

[A'isha]

No. But by claiming there is popular Muslim outrage because some marines pissed on a dead terrorist would be to tacitly claim they support the terrorists.

Oh, right. I should have known. Obviously the only reason to get outraged about the desecration of the dead is because you support the ideology that the dead person had when alive.

Wait...what does Bernard Lewis have to say about all this? I think that's vitally important.

 

[kerikiwi]

How much Muslim outrage would there be if an Islamic terrorist pissed on a dead marine?

How many profuse apologies from the Muslim world could we expect from that?

Oh well, if someone else does the same it must be okay.

 

[triforcharity]

How much Muslim outrage would there be if an Islamic terrorist pissed on a dead marine?

How many profuse apologies from the Muslim world could we expect from that?

Muslim or terrorists? You forgot to make that distinction.

Muslims -More than a handfull.

Terrorists? none. Of course.

But, that is what makes US better than TERRORISTS. We're better than that.

 

[Robrob]

How much Muslim outrage would there be if an Islamic terrorist pissed on a dead marine?

How many profuse apologies from the Muslim world could we expect from that?

Are we better than them or not?

Apparently some think we aren't.

Do we have the moral high ground.

Apparently there are some who wish we didn't.

So, you're saying that the US Marine Corps is to the Western world what al-Qaeda is to the Muslim world?

No. But by claiming there is popular Muslim outrage because some marines pissed on a dead terrorist would be to tacitly claim they support the terrorists.

No but feel free to continue to fantasize strawmen. It saves having to make an actual point.

While you are at it, you might want to try and explain how you put some random dead Taliban/the Muslim world on the same parity as some random US Marines/the United States. The Taliban do not represent the entire Muslim world. The US Marines do represent the United States. I've noticed you do this a lot, take a bunch of disparate things you are scared of and paint them as a monolithic whole.

 

[angrysoba]

So, you're saying that the US Marine Corps is to the Western world what al-Qaeda is to the Muslim world?

Yeah, Virus is doing "moral equivalence" between the United States Marine Corps and Fascist Genocidal Fascist Terrorist Murderer Suicide Fascist Bombers.

Virus must be a self-hating, liberal, pinko, cringing drip.

 

[Belz...]

Bernard Lewis.



You think that's the only way of starting wars?

You didn't answer either of my questions. Try again.

 

[angrysoba]

Muslim or terrorists? You forgot to make that distinction.

Muslims -More than a handfull.

Terrorists? none. Of course.

But, that is what makes US better than TERRORISTS. We're better than that.

Muslims? Terrorists? Afghans? Arabs? Iranians? Perhaps anyone of a dusky hue...

From reading Virus (to the extent that he actually writes), it is very difficult to work out who "they" are. It manifests itself as a sort of paranoid fear of anyone who he seems to think will take away his robot computer games which, as far as I can make out, are the pinnacle of the superior culture that in his fantasies he is actively fighting in support of.

It is difficult to know how, exactly, he has fought anything or anyone. I have not read of any of his adventures in the Middle East, South Asia or the Hindu Kush but no doubt he can fill us in.

 

[Belz...]

No. But by claiming there is popular Muslim outrage because some marines pissed on a dead terrorist would be to tacitly claim they support the terrorists.

Wow. "Either with us or against us", eh ? I can't believe you're that ignorant.