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Actually, no nomuse, you are incorrect........

Most people do not ingest infected stool daily, stool infected with pathogens. And with regard to the inhaling part, no one does, no one inhales "aerosolized stool" carrying pathogenic organisms, not unless a person of course is in a super weird situation like floating with pretend infected stool in pretend cislunar space.....

Show me stool without pathogens. Admittedly, the normal bacterial load of fecal matter is largely dead and more virulent species are under-represented, but ALL human fecal matter contains dangerous organisms.

And flush toilets, out here in the real world, are producing finely divided droplets capable of suspension a heck of a lot more often than human sphincters are. Most of us will encounter the former much more frequently than the latter.
 
But it did not go down that way. "History", bogus Apollo history that it is, tells us it was not until toward the end of that first hour of the staged drama that Liebergot and presumably Burton at his side, began to think the fuel cells were really out and so forth. Aaron did not know what Burton and Liebergot were struggling to figure out early on, hardware vs instrumentation. One may conclude Aaron is lying his fanny off. Aaron is a big fat perp. On the other hand, Liebergot and Clint Burton are almost certainly CLEAN....

17, 16, 15, 14, 13, 122, 11, 10, 9, 8, ZERO, BULLOFF, WE HAVE BULLOFF......

You want to explain this one, please? Why, because you have not made a case, do you say Aaron is lying? Why wasn't his knowledge of the systems, coupled with the descriptions enough for him to decide that it was hardware, not instrumentation?

I suggest using bullet points and short, declaritive sentences, with no perjoratives. Please do not use "busted big time" or make other childish statements, because all that sounds like to me is "'cause I said so, that's why!"

And before you object to my wanting your justification, may I point out that you are diagnosing Frank Borman not only remotely in space, since you've never met him, I'm sure, but over 43 years of time as well, by using your (claimed) expertise and the data presented to you.
 
Great Video

Check out this video;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPb4GZhW60s&feature=fvst

A little over one minute in, Gene Kranz makes the statement that Lovell said the the gaseous substance that was venting from the Apollo 12 service module was oxygen. Of course this is a falsehood.

Kranz is intentionally misleading as he needs to push the story that everyone knew oxygen was venting and it was lifeboat time early on, 14 or 15 minutes in when Lovell makes the call about something "venting".

Kranz had opened up his mouth too soon and so this was/is his way of covering his tracks by saying Lovell said at that time it was SPECIFICALLY OXYGEN that was venting. Of course were the mission real, there would be no way to tell at that moment that it was oxygen that was venting even if an oxygen tank had been blown and was lost. Other substances could have vented from the service module as well.

And most importantly, Lovell of course never did say they were venting oxygen at that time, 14/15 minutes in. He only said they were venting what looked to be a "gaseous substance". It could have been anything. The point is subtle , but it is indeed a point that is clearly damning.

Kranz would do well to keep his mouth shut.... Then again, it is way too late.... The guy is simply a terrible perp. If I knew how bad he was, what an easy target he was, I would have started with him....
 
....I am not posting here for those who disagree with me....So it is not an issue for me.....


I am genuinely curious, Patrick.

Why then do you post here?

Don't you realize that nobody agrees with you? Don't you see that with virtually all your posts you are making more of a fool of yourself?
 
OK RAF, now you can be sure this one did not come from YouTube.....

The astronauts have to take off their clothes, get completely naked to poop, this, per astronaut Charlie Duke. His book and the relevant section have already been well referenced in one of my previous posts.

But despite what Charlie says, and despite what we know about cislunar hygiene, there is no mention of this problem in the Apollo 13 Mission Report, this problem with the cold cold cold cold of the powered down craft and the astronauts need to take off their clothes to poop, and the impossibility of their doing this all three together in the lander as they were alleged to have been.

All three of them are in the Lander, correct? How were they planning on, how did they poop given the logistics RAF? Any ideas? No mention of an even remotely credible solution to this hygienic conumdrum in the Apollo 13 Mission Report.

One may conclude that the Apollo 13 Mission is fraudulent right there, nothing else is needed at all, BOOM, right there, Apollo 13 proven fraudulent......

Who says there was a problem? You're assuming there was a problem when there is no evidence that there was one.

Reading through the Apollo documentation and histories, it's well known that they crews all ate what is euphemistically described as 'low residue' food - in other words not much is going to come out of the other end.

What anyone who has ever been to any kind of environment where sanitation is going to be an issue will know is that the thing you want to do the least is go for a number 2. You therefore avoid it as much as possible. If you know full well that you are going to be home soon, you will hold it in and wait for more comfortable surroundings. You may even take medication to prevent the problem. Taking the humans out of the normal human environment does not stop them being human and responding in the same way that anyone else would.

Continuing your scatalogical obsession with Apollo 8, you are painting a picture of a spacecraft awash with human effluvia where no attempt was made to clean up the problem. This is not the case. You also seem baffled by Borman's self medication, which you are claiming was a deliberate attempt to flood the spacecraft with even more insanitary fluids than was there before.

Faced with a sudden illness, Borman needed to know whether it was a one off, something that was going to affect only him, something that could have lasted the whole mission and may have incapacitated other crew members, or whether he had had a reaction to medication (something he had had before the mission). He could reliably eliminate (if that's the right word) one of those alternatives.

As it turned out, his illness was short lived and there was no need to abort the mission, and as a result we got one of the most historic photographs ever taken.

My point is that Liebergot did not see things this way, see it instantly as a hardware problem based on EECOM data.. Now if John Aaron was able to discern something in particular having to do with the EECOM data that Liebergot did not, and Aaron did say in the interview that I watched that it was the EECOM data that so persuaded him to think this was a hardware issue, then that would have been a big deal and everyone would have said;

Liebergot did not see it instantly that way because he had already had what appewared to him to be an instrumentation glitch that quickly resolved itself. A repeat of that same glitch would naturally cause someone to assumeit was again an instrumentation issue. Aaron was approaching the situation from scratch, he made a correct call - as did Liebergot once it became apparent that instrumention was not the source of the issue. Amazing - people who know their systems backwards were able to diagnose something based on the evidence from those systems, and had the good sense to go through all the possibilities before making life saving decisions.
 
As Gene Kranz would say Agatha, you'r not working the problem....

The thing is, Patrick, we all inhale and ingest small amounts of faecal material every day. Very few of us get ill from doing so. Flush toilets are a relatively new invention, as are antibacterial cleaners, and yet the human race has managed to survive for thousands of years.

There were no flush toilets on the Niña, the Pinta or the Santa Maria, and I can guarantee that several of the crew would have been suffering from infectious diseases. Below the decks in confined spaces the crew would have been at very high risk of inhaling and ingesting infective faecal material, and yet the voyage continued. Because as Loss Leader explains above, the rewards outweighed the risks.

I feel like a broken record, but since your side keeps raising the same objection Agatha, I shall continue to dose you with a bit of reality. That said, you may want to try a different tack next time. This one will not get you far as hopefully your side is coming to realize.

As opposed to the average guy or gal on the street, patient's with infectious diarrhea are viewed differently with regard to the harm their stool can do to those of us that may accidentally come in contact with it. As such, in a hospital, a man like Borman would be subjected to "strict stool precautions" as doctors endeavored to figure out why it was that the Apollo 8 commander was sick.

So in the context of being evaluated by real docs, Borman would be viewed as an individual with infected stool. And until proven otherwise, that stool would be perceived by medical personal as posing a major health risk to those that might come in contact with it. Grab any ol' medical text and read up on it a bit, acute infectious diarrhea. The subject is not difficult. Borman's being subjected to what we call "strict stool precautions" would mean that medical personal would do everything the could to keep the commander's stool away from other people. Borman would be isolated him in this sense. And were he to prove to have influenza(see below), we would enforce respiratory isolation precautions as well.

In the Borman Apollo 8 staged space illness case, there was/is this added "twist" with the diagnosis of influenza being a legitamate consideration given the time of year that the flight occurred and given the special circumstances one would need to consider given the Hong Kong flu pandemic of 1968/1969.

Diarrhea in adults with influenza is much less common than it is with children, but it does occur, and given the circumstances, real docs would be very worried about real astronauts in a space ship like Apollo 8, even if there was only a very very small chance that influenza was responsible for Borman's cislunar problem. The reason doctors would be so very worried is that the conditions are such that were Borman to have had influenza, all three astronauts may well have caught it. It is quite contagious, and under those circumstances, everyone crammed together in the command module, influenza would be exceedingly likely to be passed form one astronaut to the next.

One more point about influenza that is a bit tricky, if you get sick with influenza, not infrequently and counter intuitively, it tends to make young healthy people(like astronauts) sicker than older people. The reason for this is that on some level, what makes the person "sick" is their own immune respose, and so, the more vigorous the response, the sicker one gets. So three astronauts in a tin can like that would be a set up for a disaster that would make the Apolo 13 scenario look like a wine and cheese party.

Not to belabor the influenza point too much, but obviously the NASA perps were worried about guys like me even back then as if one goes through the old newspapers and what not covering the Borman illness, one keeps reading that Charles Berry, Borman's doctor, kept saying the astronauts definitely did not have influenza because they were vaccinated. Vaccinations do not guarantee immunity and can actually make people very sick. So right there that is a dead give away that Berry is a fraud. I say this because though a real doc would not discount the vaccination's ability to confer immunity, this consideration(HOPED FOR IMMUNITY) would not diminish the physician's vigilence one fraction of an iota with respect to the possibility that Borman and the others as well had contracted influenza.

The food supply is another thing docs would look at under these circumstances, regardless of how the food was allegedly "prepared". The fact that the food issue was not scrutinized immediately and big time, and the fact that food as a player here wasn't written about, is a give away as well. Docs would have been looking at that angle with a lot of interest, early on anyway.

Remember, all 3 crewman allegedly became ill to some degree at one point. Borman is the sickest and the only one with diarrhea, and the only one vomiting, but the other two are not well either early on either. Read the references I mentioned above.

What is most incriminating about all of this is not the woefully inadequate attention the problem received while the "astronauts" were allegedly in space, but rather, upon return, there is no meaningful medical report discussing the significance of all of this and how the issue would be better addressed in the future. Keep in mind Borman's stool and vomitus is aerosiolized. No doctor had EVER dealt with a situation like that before DEADLY AND NOVEL AND IT WOULD CONTINUE TO BE UNTIL ADDRESSED. Borman's stool and vomitus was alleged to have been in the air, aerosolized in a zero G environment, and were this thing real, the presumably infected material would be all over most surfaces in microscopic but nevertheless dangerous quantities.

But in the context of this phony Apollo 8 scenario, there was no effort to recover the pathogen/infectious agent upon Borman's return(culture his stool, or if it was cultured, report the results?, culture/study the space ship's surfaces upon return? examine the potable water? the air filtering system? the food?) and on and on and on.

So the thing is 10 plus fake, and of all the places to get caught with one's pants down, Armstrong and all of his buddies are NAILED big time thanks to this one little strangely embarrassing NASA gaffe.

The problem with your analysis of the situation Agatha is that you are conveniently forgetting Borman's stool is presumed even by Charles Berry to be infected, and that the official story is that this infected material, as well as Borman's vomitus, has been aerosolized. Additionally, you are ignoring Berry's con with respect to the claim that his astronauts are guaranteed influenza immunity by virtue of their having been vaccinated. As such you are "cheating" Agatha. You are not dealing with the real facts as a physician would.

With respect to assessing a man with acute onset nausea, vomiting and diarrhea that is presumed infectious in etiology, this is all very simple medicine by the way. That said, the zero G consideration is an aspect which renders this problem extremely exotic and DANGEROUS to say the least, that is, were any of this real.

Most docs once they looked at this would recognize it as "weird"/fake. The problem with it all is how many docs know what Charles Berry had to say about all of this phony business? Not many......
 
I don't claim to have the engineering skills requisite to nail Neil Armstrong.......I DO DO DO EVER SO DO claim to have the medical skills required to crucify Armstrong.....Matter of fact, I have crucified him already.....

I never claimed to be an engineering expert slyjoe......

But I am a physician slyjoe, a medical expert, a diarrhea expert, and Frank Borman's diarrhea is some FAKE DIARRHEA. And fake diarrhea means all of Apollo is fake.

In another thread you said you were joking when you claimed to be a doctor.

In the bike thread you claim to run a bike shop and design bikes. Perhaps you run a joint surgery and bike shop, so people can have their bike fixed while seeing the doctor.
 
I would eat poop in exchange for going to the moon. If I didn't have children, I would actually give my life to do it. Let me make this clear: If the deal was that I got to go to the moon, but immediately upon returning I am shot to death by firing squad, I would take it.

Same here, but I would like an hour to look at the photos I took before the firing squad arrives.
 
Sure they are claiming it was safe Jay......The guy, borman, was said to have viral gastroenteritis and his infected poop was floating throughout the cabin and no one did anything to fix it, remedy that situation. That is more than claiming it was safe Jay. Matter-o-fact, it's an outright resounding endorsement of the Apollo cislunar can.....

No. It simply means that the crew, and mission control, thought the risk was one they were prepared to take. These guys are test pilots, which means they take bigger risks every day by flying new and experimental aircraft, than most people are prepared to accept.

Hope this isn't off topic, but have you done any research on the Apollo-Soyuz missions? Do you think they were faked? If so, why did the Russians play along if it was a fake mission?
 
... the lifeboat scenario was different from the one employed in the Apollo 13 case... Get it?
I can hear the creak of goalposts moving again. You are going to have to explain exactly what you mean here before it has any substance.

The guy, borman, was said to have viral gastroenteritis and his infected poop was floating throughout the cabin and no one did anything to fix it...
Boorman threw up and had one loose bowel movement into a plastic bag designed for the purpose. From that you extrapolate infectious aerosolised fecal matter filling the cabin. Produce better evidence for your imagined vesion of the scenario if you want to be taken seriously.

... ask your physician friends. Better yet, get them to come on line here and we can go over the records again, what Borman wrote, what Lovell wrote, what Berry wrote and so forth and see if any doctor(besides arch perpetrator Charles Berry) thinks it is OK to have infected poop floating in a zero G cabin and do nothing about it...

I'd love to debate a doc who sees things differently from me.....
Firstly you have not shown there was infected poop floating in the cabin and nothing being done about it, secondly if you're so keen to debate this with physicians why not show the written records to your colleagues and get their opinions? Are there no doctors in your hospi... oh, wait, bike shop. Right.

The astronauts have to take off their clothes, get completely naked to poop, this, per astronaut Charlie Duke. His book and the relevant section have already been well referenced in one of my previous posts.

But despite what Charlie says, and despite what we know about cislunar hygiene, there is no mention of this problem in the Apollo 13 Mission Report, this problem with the cold cold cold cold of the powered down craft and the astronauts need to take off their clothes to poop, and the impossibility of their doing this all three together in the lander as they were alleged to have been.

All three of them are in the Lander, correct? How were they planning on, how did they poop given the logistics RAF? Any ideas? No mention of an even remotely credible solution to this hygienic conumdrum in the Apollo 13 Mission Report.
Your pooping fixation is rather creepy. Faced with the choice of;

a) cram into the LM for as long as required and do your best to maintain some semblance of hygiene
or
b) die

do you imagine the astronauts would choose the latter? What would you do? I'm genuinely interested to know.

When's the last time you took care of someone with influenza who had to be tubed and was on a ventilator Tomblvd?.....
Irrelevant. Anticipating your response, no, you're just wrong, it's irrelevant.
Charles Berry thinks that receiving an influenza vaccination guarantees immunity.
Garbage. You have extrapolated from his opinion to the daft assumption that he's the only doctor on the planet who thinks vaccination is 100% effective. Evidence? None.

Borman wrote that he actually tried to make himself sick again, right there in cislunar space, give himself a SECOND CASE OF BAD DIARRHEA, NAUSEA AND VOMITING. Borman actually claimed that he did this on purpose, took half of a seconal pill to try and give himself diarrhea again and make himself vomit to see as an experiment if the seconal was what made him sick in the first place. I am SO SO SO SO not making this up
Yes you are. Boorman passed one loose stool. "BAD DIARRHEA" is something you are "SO SO SO SO" making up.

Borman's stool and vomitus allegedly was floating about the command module cabin. Some(vomitus) hit Lovell in the chest I believe. I didn't make this nonsense up...
You didn't make up the vomit hitting Lovell in the chest. You did make up the cloud of aerosolised poop. It was emitted from your own rather disturbingly obsessed imagination.
 
BORMAN'S INFECTED STOOL AND VOMITUS ON APOLLO 8 WAS AEROSOLIZED!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTqLQO3L4Ko#!

Was it? Why was it? Break that old tiresome habit and explain why a predominantly liquid substance doesn't have surface tension that increases in zero g. Most of it would end up on the interior surfaces, and it would NOT break up into atomised particles.
 
Probably enough of this and time to get back to Apollo 13....

I want to know exactly what Patrick thinks happened!

Does he contend that Borman took a dump in the cabin without the collection container? Does he think it splattered everywhere in zero g?

Liquid tends to be clearly visible in zero g, if it has been expelled, it has momentum that will carry it to a surface.

It does not disintigrate and atomise - surface tension without gravity is a strong enough force. It would be clearly visible, fairly easy to mop up with towels and I suspect the pong would be the most pressing 'problem':rolleyes:

I can't help but be extremely frustrated at this whole thread. It is just a facepalm in every post, and a headshake at every rebuttal ignored.

Probably enough of this and time to get back to Apollo 13....

However, since you emphasized your frustration and expressed a desire to know "exactly what Patrick thinks happened" Erock, I'll try to answer you as best I can.

I don't think anything happened. It is FAKE Erock. That said, what kind of nonsense do I read? Here is an example from a recent favorite Apollo book of mine, MISSIONS TO THE MOON , by Rod Pyle, forward by Kranz, published in 2009.

Chapter 9 is the book's section dedicated to Apollo 8. It is entitled "INTO THE VOID". The section starts on page 22 and then on page 23 there is a subsection entitled "SICK IN SPACE". Paraphrasing that for you Erock, the author writes that Borman had steak and eggs and lots of coffee for breakfast just before climbing into the Saturn V and taking off. The fact that Borman had seconds on the steak/eggs/coffee may have been something that he ultimately regretted as the food he ate, coffee he drank, or the seconal he took as a sleeping aid made him sick and resulted in the capsule being "FULL" of vomitus and worse. The "worse" of course was Pyle's commendable euphemism for diarrhea. The crew managed to clean things up, but Borman was very careful about what he ate for the rest of the mission.

So that was Pyle's presentation. Now I am not saying this is the "right" presentation, that THIS is what really happened. I more or less pulled it out of a hat as it is the book I was reading at the time I looked over your question Erock. That said, this example goes a long way to emphasizing how ridicullous this whole Borman illness thing is.

So given this general presentation, why would Borman write in his own Life/Look Magazine account of the Apollo 8 journey that he took seconal a second time INTENTIONALLY TO TRY AND REPRODUCE HIS SYPMTOMS, THE NAUSEA, VOMITING AND DIARRHEA. Just doesn't make sense does it?

One might read in one piece whether by a journalist, or by an astronaut, or by Dr. Charles Berry, that the problem was variously caused by "space adaptation syndrome", or medication/seconal, or as in the case of Dr. Berry's explaining things, viral gastroenteritis.

Some accounts like this one of Pyle's emphasize that there was a lot of vomitus and fecal material/frank diarrhea in the command module, others do not.

So to answer your question Erock, I don't buy any of it. I do not think anything happened really because the story given to us is not a consistent one. It is flat out BULL!!!!

My way of dealing with it is to criticize the bogus official story given by Charles Berry, criticize the version of the story featuring Berry's viral gastroenteritis explanation, and that it was no big deal all considered. Of course one could NOT conclude this was viral gastroenteritis based on any one or all of these nutty stories for that matter, including BORMAN"S OWN NUTTY STORY WHERE HE SAYS HE TOOK SECANOL TWICE!!! And of course were an astronaut really sick like Borman was alleged to have been in some general sense in cislunar space in a zero G cabin FULL of vomitus and diarrhea presumed infected, it would be an extremely BIG DEAL. Not just for this mission but in the case of subsequent missions as well.

So to answer your question Erock, the Borman Apollo 8 illness story is obviously a humongous cock and bull story, a humongous cock and bull story that backfired on these clowns. I do not buy any of it, nor should any one else. It is beyond ridiculous. That said, when I do present this ridiculous tale, I tend to present a Charles Berry type slant on the story as he was the doc after all. And as such, I believe it is most appropriate to attack his version of things, or that proffered by the astronauts, especially Borman himself. That business about taking the seconal a second time is over the top dumb.

As I said in a previous post Erock, I didn't make this stuff up. Don't blame me if it does not make any sense.
 
Patrick, don't ever go yachting in bad weather with a dodgy Sea Toilet. There will be plenty of puke and poop swilling around the boat, it never puts us off.
 
Sure they are claiming it was safe Jay...

Nonsense. The claim is that it was tolerable given the circumstances. Just as being strapped into a rocket filled with millions of pounds of explosives is tolerable. Just as being a fraction of an inch of aluminum away from hard vacuum is tolerable. Just as inhaling aerosolized feces in public restrooms is tolerable.

In all your handwaving attempts to play doctor (for the love of Cthulhu, no pun intended) you consistently ignore the context. You want to evaluate Borman as if he were patient in a ward, not an on-duty pilot on a 10-day hazardous mission.
 
BTW, just for fun, if anyone wants to PM me with their answer, I'll let you know if you're right.

SUSpilot can confirm that I was easily able to diagnose the poor pilot's predicament simply from SUSpilot's brief description of it. This is what people can do when they are intimately familiar with the systems under their custody.
 
All three of them are in the Lander, correct?

Incorrect.

One may conclude that the Apollo 13 Mission is fraudulent right there, nothing else is needed at all...

So the most miniscule, nitpicking detail is all that's needed to prove NASA's story wrong, but the almighty and infallible bike-shop owner Patrick's theory can thumb its nose disdainfully at mountains of direct evidence such as moonrocks and photographs and still survive.

See, this is probably why you don't want to have any direct contact with Steven Bales, Gene Kranz, Jim Lovell, John Aaron, and all the other men you've libeled in order to construct your fantasy world.

Why are you dragging your feet? PM me your contact info so we can get the ball rolling.
 
An important point about # 13 already alluded to but worth stating very explicitly...

Jim Lovell and his coauthor Jeffrey Kluger point out on page 343 of my 30th anniversary edition of APOLLO 13, published in the year 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company, that it was not until AFTER examining the photographs of the blown out service bay brought back to earth by the Apollo 13 crew that NASA's forensic specialists(Apollo 13 disaster investigation committee) were able to determine that the spaceship was not hit by meteor or other rogue projectile. The pictures once examined revealed to the Apollo 13 investigators that there must have been an explosion in the oxygen/cryogenic tank itself. This point cannot be overemphasized. No one knew untill the astronauts "returned " from cislunar space that an O2 tank, or cryogenic tank explosion of any sort, was responsible for the Apollo 13 staged disaster. It was not not not until the astronauts returned from their feigned mission that such a determination was made.

As a consequence, one may conclude with unmitigated metaphysical certainty, that the Apollo 13 Mission was ever so fraudulent as some of the story's principals including Flight Director Gene Kranz himself knew how the story would end before it had ever begun. Kranz had foreknowledge of an INTERNAL cryogenic tank explosion, and so as surprising as it may be to some, one may confirm Kranz's perpetrator status with utter confidence.
 
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You do not understand how a physician thinks...

You're not qualified to make that judgment.

Anyway, I have said this before, ask your physician friends.

You are the one claiming physicians would agree with you. Your burden of proof. And you have yet to produce -- despite a half dozen requests -- even one single qualified physician who endorses your claim.

Since you are unwilling to obtain an endorsement, I and the rest of the world will stick with the opinion of the attending physician, whose expertise and credentials are not in question.

Better yet, get them to come on line here and we can go over the records again...

You have medical professionals online here who have contradicted and continue to contradict you. Such was the case also at BAUT, where you originally made this claim.

Along those lines you have professional engineers attempting to correct your misconceptions in engineering, a topic on which you have lately pled incompetence. You have professional navigators correcting your mistakes in navigation. You have professional cartographers correcting your ignorance in cartography.

In short, you have a wealth of professionals here whose expertise you almost completely ignore in favor of your ill-informed, half-baked supposition. What assurances can you give that any medical professional who contradicted your belief wouldn't meet with the same fate?

...thinks it is OK to have infected poop floating in a zero G cabin...

You keep asking the wrong question. Straw man -- rejected.

...and do nothing about it.

What makes you think they did nothing? Failing to do what you say they should have done does not constitute culpable inaction. Please reach deep into your bag of infallibility and tell us (a) why what they did was insufficient given the circumstances, (a) what they should have done differently in that situation, given the circumstances. Put up or shut up.

The world awaits your incontrovertible opinion.
 
Borman was supposed to be SICK Tomblvd, remember? SICK!!!! This is NOT NOT NOT a healthy person. Vomiting, diarrhea, remember???????

So? How do you assure yourself everyone who used a bathroom before you enter is completely healthy?

When's the last time you took care of someone with influenza who had to be tubed and was on a ventilator Tomblvd?.....

More recently than you, obviously.

What do you do with your hospitalized patients with infectious diarrhea? Have everyone share their bathroom?

Where did you get "hospitalized patients" from? Borman wasn't hosptialized. He was in a spacecraft.

We have very strict stool precautions that we follow where I work as do all main stream American medical centers.

Do you realize that they couldn't transfer Borman to another room?

That really seems to be a hard concept for you to do.

And you know what? We have different "stool precautions" in my house when my kids get INFECTIOUS DIARRHEA!!!!.

I tell them to wash their hands.

Additionally and most importantly, BORMAN'S INFECTED STOOL AND VOMITUS ON APOLLO 8 WAS AEROSOLIZED!!!!!

So is the stuff in your bathroom.

For God's sake, pick up a book on immunology.

AND also, one of the diagnoses that was being considered was INFLUENZA, and being "considered" I might add most appropriately so. Inappropriately, very inappropriately, influenza was discounted as according to the eminently avoidable good doctor Charles Berry, influenza vaccination guarantees immunity. Yes you heard that right Tomblvd, Charles Berry thinks that receiving an influenza vaccination guarantees immunity.

Can someone fluent in hysterics translate this for me?

Not that any of this is real Tomblvd, but seriously now, seriously,.... need I go on with this unbelievable medical nonsense ? The whole thing is ludicrous beyond the stars.

Yes, considering you have already admitted to not being a doctor, this whole "INFECTIOUS DIARRHEA!!!!" stuff is truly ludicrous.

He got sick, he sure as heck wasn't going anywhere, they continued the mission, he got better.

End of story.

And since you are on record as admitting to not being a physician, I think it is only the right thing to do to stop with the charade.
 
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