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Marines Urinating on Dead Guys?

Andrew Wiggin said:
Weapons come in various ranges. The longer the range, the farther it puts the killer from the killed, and the easier it makes for people who would otherwise be too cowardly to kill to do so. I don't believe killing a human should be easy.
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Ah... You don't understand how snipers work then.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
societies where this kind of idiotic acts are not tolerate--Isn't it funny how these comments only follow acts "we" do to "others"? That when someone does something to the USA or Israel, or other Western countries, we're outraged and saddened (see 9/11, Utøya massacre, ), but when our people do something they shouldn't have, suddenly all you get out of certain people is a patronizing "oh, you see little Timmy, sometimes bad stuff happens in war".
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So you can't tell the difference between terrorism and pretending to urinate on a dead terrorist. Plenty of people claim to not see such distinctions. Join the queue. It's over there. With the silly people.
 
Virus said:
So you can't tell the difference between terrorism and pretending to urinate on a dead terrorist. Plenty of people claim to not see such distinctions. Join the queue. It's over there. With the silly people.
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There is another queue for people who claim not to see the urine. Labelling those people is fallacious.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
Sorry if this has been mentioned already but...

PressTV? Really?

Seriously? You're linking to PressTV?

Christ on a bike.
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Yes, Press TV. I worked in the London media from 1994 to 2001, so I know a bit about what the UK is prepared to print. In fact, in about 2004 I sent a UN doc along with whistleblower's photos old collegues at a London paper about the war in Afghanistan. They told me that they would not run the story because it might put our (and the US) troops in danger. "Fair enough" I thought - I've seen many stories spiked for similar reasons. However, that same newspaper then went with a false story, and used half of one of the photos I sent them (the half with the Afghan warlord - the US trooper was in the r.h. of the photo which was omitted).

Moral of the story - do not trust any press.
 
Andrew Wiggin said:
Weapons come in various ranges. The longer the range, the farther it puts the killer from the killed, and the easier it makes for people who would otherwise be too cowardly to kill to do so. I don't believe killing a human should be easy.
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having the advantage does not mean cowardly. Warfare does not work that way.

I guess knights were cowards for wearing armour, or romans were cowards for developing thactics that (shock!) minimised their losses.
 
Andrew Wiggin said:
Nice straw man.

I think we're over there killing them because we have a conflicting ideology. We're long past killing anyone for revenge for 9/11. We lost a couple thousand. We've killed hundreds of them for each one we lost. We've had our revenge. We're not even fighting the same people anymore, just people we think have similar ideology and similar racial characteristics. We've made killing too easy and we're being bloodthirsty. A general phones in an order from his office. A soldier sees a target on a drone's camera from thousands of miles away and pushes a button from the safety of an office chair. We value our lives too highly to risk but we don't value anyone else's life at all. We've become a nation of bloodthirsty little chickenhawks.
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Apparently you are confusing video games with the reality of warfare.

The Taliban aren't sitting in their comfy offices sending drones back. And they don't clock out at the end of the workday.

Be it snipers, artillery, et al. ...Someone operating a weapon, even from a distance, is still at some risk of being killed by *whatever* the enemy has at their disposal.
 
Andrew Wiggin said:
Nice straw man.

I think we're over there killing them because we have a conflicting ideology. We're long past killing anyone for revenge for 9/11. We lost a couple thousand. We've killed hundreds of them for each one we lost. We've had our revenge. We're not even fighting the same people anymore, just people we think have similar ideology and similar racial characteristics. We've made killing too easy and we're being bloodthirsty. A general phones in an order from his office. A soldier sees a target on a drone's camera from thousands of miles away and pushes a button from the safety of an office chair. We value our lives too highly to risk but we don't value anyone else's life at all. We've become a nation of bloodthirsty little chickenhawks.
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If the terrorists don't like it they can always surrender. Otherwise, mess with the bull, get the horns.
 
Andrew Wiggin said:
Weapons come in various ranges. The longer the range, the farther it puts the killer from the killed, and the easier it makes for people who would otherwise be too cowardly to kill to do so. I don't believe killing a human should be easy.
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Who is asserting that any killing is easy?

The worst case of PTSD I'm familar with involves an Air Force O rate stationed in Thailand that was in charge of targeting in Cambodia - he never flew a combat sortie or dropped a single bomb load, but he is absolutely tortured by the thought of the victims of the bombing he directed.

Volunteer at your local VA hospital and speak w/ combat vets, you might learn something based on fact.
 
Virus said:
If the terrorists don't like it they can always surrender. Otherwise, mess with the bull, get the horns.
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What terrorists are you talking about? "Us" or "Them"? It cuts both ways of course.

Perhaps you mean "if we withdraw our troops and admit defeat, perhaps they won't try another 911"?

"you mess with the bull, you get the s***".
 
Liszt said:
What terrorists are you talking about? "Us" or "Them"? It cuts both ways of course.

Perhaps you mean "if we withdraw our troops and admit defeat, perhaps they won't try another 911"?

"you mess with the bull, you get the s***".
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Old military joke.

"How do you tell the good guys from the bad guys?"

"Easy, the Bad Guys shoot at us..."

FTR, We could remove every U.S. troop and asset out of the ME, renounce support for Israel etc., and it wouldn't change thing one with the terrorists and political situation there.
 
Andrew Wiggin said:
Weapons come in various ranges. The longer the range, the farther it puts the killer from the killed, and the easier it makes for people who would otherwise be too cowardly to kill to do so. I don't believe killing a human should be easy.
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Have you even read this thread?

Do you not understand what a snipers' job is?

What do you base this "If they're farther away, it makes killing easier" BS on?

WTF?
 
Bill Thompson said:
Did Abu Guaib cause an increase in violence?
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Is there really a way to tell? Not really. It's not like people are killing US soldiers, and claiming it was because of A.G.

Could it have made the locals that we've tried for years to gain the trust of, lose some of the respect they had for us? Absolutely.
 
BStrong said:
FTR, We could remove every U.S. troop and asset out of the ME, renounce support for Israel etc., and it wouldn't change thing one with the terrorists and political situation there.
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How do you know ? Isn't terrorism a response to perceived oppression ? How would there be terrorism without this perception ? Or did I misunderstand you ?
 
Belz... said:
How do you know ? Isn't terrorism a response to perceived oppression ? How would there be terrorism without this perception ? Or did I misunderstand you ?
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I've lived and worked, and served, in Saudi, Lebanon, Afghanistan and Iraq.

The hot heads are willing to kill over 100 year old insults.

They won't call it a day just because we leave.
 
"The hot heads are willing to kill over 100 year old insults."

A tradition that survives in entirely too many corners of the world... including parts of the US.
 
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