Crop circle debunking help needed

[Stray Cat]

Are you saying the makers aren't using lights? They're all equipped with night vision and GPS handhelds with no light?

There is no need for GPS, there is no need for lights, there is no need for night vision beyond the ability of the human eye to see in the dark anyway.
It would be really silly to be on a covert operation and to use lights, so methods have been developed which don't require light.
Further, any light source (including night vision equipment) only inhibits the human eye to adapt to darkness and is therefore counterproductive.

 

[zooterkin]

making geometric designs in corn fields isn't very difficult. I've chatted with circle makers, and really all you need is a board and some rope.

Considering that we have a natural explanation for the existence of crop circles (people admitting to have made them), why would we need to invent a more complicated one?

I know. Crop circles are nothing; I've seen fields where all the straw has been mysteriously cut, and rolled up into big cylinders; in some cases it's then been wrapped in some synthetic black material. I don't see how some human could do that, with or without boards and rope!

 

[23_Tauri]

If I was a farmer that had been violated, you can bet your aunts sweet pumpkin pie my answer would be yes. Are you saying the makers aren't using lights? They're all equipped with night vision and GPS handhelds with no light?

So your answer's a 'no' then.

I didn't ask you whether, if you were a farmer, you would be disgruntled at having your wheat flattened. I asked you whether you personally had any experience that might help you assess whether you could spot someone at night, in a field of wheat, 700 yards away.

 

[tsig]

making geometric designs in corn fields isn't very difficult. I've chatted with circle makers, and really all you need is a board and some rope.

Considering that we have a natural explanation for the existence of crop circles (people admitting to have made them), why would we need to invent a more complicated one?

We have a circle maker posting here and I'm fairly sure that he's human.

 

[tsig]

If I was a farmer that had been violated, you can bet your aunts sweet pumpkin pie my answer would be yes. Are you saying the makers aren't using lights? They're all equipped with night vision and GPS handhelds with no light?

Outraged incredulity always looks funny.

 

[tsig]

There is no need for GPS, there is no need for lights, there is no need for night vision beyond the ability of the human eye to see in the dark anyway.
It would be really silly to be on a covert operation and to use lights, so methods have been developed which don't require light.
Further, any light source (including night vision equipment) only inhibits the human eye to adapt to darkness and is therefore counterproductive.

Most people don't get far enough from a source of light to allow the eye to dark adapt so they have no idea how well you can see on all but the darkest night.

Of course, there are senses other than sight.

_{hearing and touch are useful even if blind}

 

[chuck4842]

I asked you whether you personally had any experience that might help you assess whether you could spot someone at night, in a field of wheat, 700 yards away.

Under the following conditions, I wouldn't need experience.

Most people don't get far enough from a source of light to allow the eye to dark adapt so they have no idea how well you can see on all but the darkest night.

 

[Lamuella]

I don't think the sentence you quoted means what you think it means.

Tsig is talking about the ability of a circle maker in the dark to see what he or she is doing in the dark, not the ability of a farmer in a well lit house to see people are doing in the dark.

EDIT: it says you're from the piedmont area of NC. I lived in that area for 8 years, and I've had several nights where I went out into the middle of nowhere in parts of the piedmont (especially round bessemer city and kings mountain) with friends at night. After ten minutes or so, your eyes adjust well enough to see pretty clearly by moonlight alone. Don't confuse what you can see when you're on the porch of a well lit house with what someone in the dark can see.

 

[RoboTimbo]

Under the following conditions, I wouldn't need experience.

Unable to answer the questions, you're abandoning your argument?

 

[Akhenaten]

Have you ever sat on a hillside at night, over-looking a field where circle makers are making a circle, to see for yourself whether the makers would be visible to you at a distance of - ooh - 700 yards?

If I was a farmer that had been violated, you can bet your aunts sweet pumpkin pie my answer would be yes.

I wouldn't mind hearing an explanation for how being 'violated' improves one's night vision.

Are you saying the makers aren't using lights?

That's what I'd say. It's certainly the best way to do sneaky things at night without being spotted.

They're all equipped with night vision and GPS handhelds with no light?

Where are you getting that information from?

 

[beren]

I wouldn't mind hearing an explanation for how being 'violated' improves one's night vision.

I imagine one would tend to keep one's eyes open pretty wide after that . . . .

 

[Akhenaten]

I imagine one would tend to keep one's eyes open pretty wide after that . . . .

 

[23_Tauri]

I wouldn't mind hearing an explanation for how being 'violated' improves one's night vision.

Has it got anything do to with carrots?

 

[Robrob]

They know you cant make a crop circle like we've seen lately. You couldn't do it with gps or a nasa budget. Everybody knows your fibbing. Care to try?

Stundied.

If I was a farmer that had been violated, you can bet your aunts sweet pumpkin pie my answer would be yes. Are you saying the makers aren't using lights? They're all equipped with night vision and GPS handhelds with no light?

Not for nothing but people have been admitting to making them with just boards and rope for years.

Out of curiosity, have you ever actually been outside at night?

I've already admitted some were proven man made and maybe all. Before I was pulled in another subject, we were discussing the odds of all the hundreds maybe thousands of illegal crop circles made, there have been very few arrests.

Because no one is watching a corn field at night, this is your "evidence?"

 

[chuck4842]

What about this one?
The biggest crop circle ever made!

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Let the denial begin.

Thanks for encouraging me on this one, it was a fantastic journey. I wish I could post other peoples pics like you do. I always end up with copyright violation warnings. Finding the "farmer" wasn't "easy". There's a user on the ATS forums named "Sol12" from the Netherlands who claims on his threads that the land is owned by the government for agricultural research and noone gave permission for the formation. The formation is 6 football fields by 5 football fields. Your vid shows a company taking credit for the formation named "XLD Sign", Sol12 points out on their website, that this formation is the only one that doesn't seem to line up or use the tram lines for reference. He also found the girl is also a "presenter" for BNN the news agency that broadcast the story. The vid you posted is a very unrevealing claim.

 

[zooterkin]

Thanks for encouraging me on this one, it was a fantastic journey. I wish I could post other peoples pics like you do. I always end up with copyright violation warnings. Finding the "farmer" wasn't "easy". There's a user on the ATS forums named "Sol12" from the Netherlands who claims on his threads that the land is owned by the government for agricultural research and noone gave permission for the formation. The formation is 6 football fields by 5 football fields. Your vid shows a company taking credit for the formation named "XLD Sign", Sol12 points out on their website, that this formation is the only one that doesn't seem to line up or use the tram lines for reference. He also found the girl is also a "presenter" for BNN the news agency that broadcast the story. The vid you posted is a very unrevealing claim.

Are you saying that the 'circle' in that video could not have been made by humans?

 

[Lamuella]

this whole thing is a massive and rather sad argument from incredulity.

 

[Stray Cat]

Thanks for encouraging me on this one, it was a fantastic journey. I wish I could post other peoples pics like you do. I always end up with copyright violation warnings.

I rarely post other people's pictures. When I do, I host them myself instead of hotlinking. You've had this explained to you before.

Finding the "farmer" wasn't "easy". There's a user on the ATS forums named "Sol12"

Well that's where you're going wrong.
Farmers don't usually hang out on the ATS forum.
Land Registry is the place to be finding out about that sort of stuff.

from the Netherlands who claims on his threads that the land is owned by the government for agricultural research and noone gave permission for the formation.

"who claims"? I don't suppose there's any evidence presented too... just some internet dude making a claim.

The formation is 6 football fields by 5 football fields. Your vid shows a company taking credit for the formation named "XLD Sign", Sol12 points out on their website, that this formation is the only one that doesn't seem to line up or use the tram lines for reference.

So?

He also found the girl is also a "presenter" for BNN the news agency that broadcast the story. The vid you posted is a very unrevealing claim.

He didn't find that out at all. The girl has been openly making a series of short films of this kind called "before you die" or something similar. This fact is not covered up in the video I linked... But like I already said... "Let the denial begin"

 

[chuck4842]

Are you saying that the 'circle' in that video could not have been made by humans?

No, I'm saying the vid doesn't prove who made it. If I showed you a vid containing a recent masterpiece of an oil painting, and also me dipping a brush in some paint and touching the canvas with it, and saying "see this is how I did it." Wouldn't you feel a little robbed of the lesson? Would you consider it evidence that I most likely was the artist?

 

[chuck4842]

this whole thing is a massive and rather sad argument from incredulity.

I'd think it was a step up out of depression for someone who'd own a porcupine that pissed on graves.