The 100% Impossible 9/11 Inside Job

[tsig]

so do passports, even hijackers ones, (which he would not have needed on an internal flight anyway)

You seem to have your politics confused with your physics.

 

[DGM]

I can't believe you guys still fall for achimspok's babble.

All you have to do is look at this video to figure out how something lite in the now shreadded airplane could end up (near) Vasey St.



Anyone want to guess?

Hint: The plane traveled over Vasey St.

 

[tsig]

millions of people did not see the north tower hit live on tv, because it was not shown until the next day. why was there only that ONE video of the north tower hit if there were millions of people in new york, which would mean many cameras.
why are there witnesses who claim to have seen an explosion in the north tower and not a plane hit it, jennifer oberstein for one?
why was it necessary to plant fake witnesses who have been identified as actors- gary welz, and mark humphrey, who was interviewed on fox news. fox news, by the way, is owned by media mogul and zionist rupert murdoch, who was recently labelled on tv station channel 4, here in the UK, as beyond evil.www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzPIde6Wj3w
HONESTLY

He uneats babies?

 

[LSSBB]

Conclusion:
The early and later reports about Suqami's passport are neither in contradiction of each other, nor do they contain any claims that are physically impossible.

Excellent analysis Oystein. Its always easy to Just Ask Questions and try to prove by disbelief. Its much harder to show that the answer is a realm of possibilities, and if what was reported falls well within what is possible, it cannot be discounted.

 

[tsig]

It's always funny to come over. Imagine that in slow motion. ...the PLOPP of the fuselage that blew the passport back to vesey st while the rest of the plane waited to enter the building completely.

Btw, the trail that came out of the "nose out" was the trail of the starboard engine that damaged 50 Murray St.

distance WTC2 - 50 Murray (damaged roof) = 407m
height (damaged roof) = 54m above street level
fall time (onto damaged roof) = 7.08 sec
-->>
horizontal speed = 57.5 m/s = 128.5mph

Hence, the starboard engine lost 357mph inside the building. It was the first part that escaped the building on the other side. Bad time for the "travelling air carrying passports backwards" theory.

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Hey, Mudcat, there were two commissions investigating that. Even if Richard Helm ordered the destruction of all evidence, the commissions still found enough.

google for:
Allen Dulles (CIA) / Richard Helms (CIA) -> Dr. Sidney Gottlieb (Supervisor)
or
OPERATION PAPERCLIP -> OPERATION MONARCH -> OPERATION MKULTRA
or
just google for Nazi-scientists & CIA.



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Btw, this thread runs since a very long time. There is still no answer to that 100% impossible parking lot of Alomari.

Little reminder:

source: http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/atta/resources/documents/fbiaffidavit11.htm

The problem about that sworn report is,
- it was the wrong Alomari
- it was the wrong address

So how could this man "Abdul Rahman Alomari" ...
[qimg]http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/9884/aralomari2.jpg[/qimg]
...authorize a parking lot for Atta's vehicle. Any idea?

His identity was aledgedly stolen...
[qimg]http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/1971/aralomari1.jpg[/qimg]
...therefore the thief "Abdul Aziz Alomari" called "Abdul Rahman Alomari" and begged him to authorize a parking lot in front of his house for Atta.
Something like "Please Mr. Rahman, the FBI will come and find it."

Next, Atta and the thief Alomari (Aziz) rang at the door of Bukhari, the neighbor and flight teacher of Mr. Rahman Alomari, and stole the identity of him too because it was used to rent the car that was full of flight manuals and was found in Portland too.
Well, Agent James K. Lechner found that car! What an agent! Fanfares!

Well, any thinking individual immediatly knows that this fish stinks from the head.

You can discuss for 10 more years. 9/11 will always stink from the head.


Did I mention that they alegedly found the passport of the thief (Abdul Aziz) on 9/11 in the delayed baggage in Portland (right name, right birthday, right picture, ...)

Well, they first mentioned it 3 years later and never have shown that passport to the public but HEY it's 3 years of ultimate fun to chase for some wrong Alomaris? ...who are still alive. ...it's better than unemployed, right?

Sometimes the liars don't know they are lying. They just read it for the public.
[qimg]http://i40.tinypic.com/30w48t0.jpg[/qimg]

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My opinion about the Naudet video: It's what it is. Two french guys made a video a catched the event: airplane hit at about 490mph the center column almost perpendicular. One passport escaped and according to Susan Ginsburg (today Homeland Security) it was doctored in the same fraudulent manner like the Alomari passport.

Who the **** faked both? ...and parking lots ...stolen identities ...tortured for confessions ...faked DNA from a sister of Osama ...sent edited videotapes without sound to Yosri Fouda ...and so on and so on and so on.

Edited to properly mask profanity. Do not try to circumvent the auto-censor.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: LashL

Let's see where you are after 10 more years of debunking stupidity. Cheers!

This stuff would make a cat sick.

 

[tsig]

The similar name Alomari has authorized the similar name Atta.
Yeehaa!
The similar name Alomari has stolen the passport of the similar name Alomari.
Yeeeehaaaa²!
The similar name Alomari and Atta have stolen the identity of the neighbor of the similar name Alomari (with a similar name Atta parking lot) to rent a car.
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa³!
Well, we have several Attas in several locations at the same time like the Atta interested in crop dusters just days before 9/11 - may be the same crop duster Atta like the one who was interested in crob dusting before Atta first entered US.

You ask, why it is important?



No further questions, dude.

Communication isn't your strong suit is it?

 

[tsig]

They started "Paperclip" because they knew that Russians and Chinese had about 99% success rate in brainwashing prisoners of war without any drugs.
The CIA wanted to know how far it goes if you use drugs.

Well, pressure, fear, money and some ill kind of patriotism do a better job than LSD. You are perfectly right.

I see they got to you.

 

[atavisms]

Vietnam wasnt about really about fighting the spread of Communism. You do know that don't you?
That was almost 58k dead American servicemen and women and millions of dead of Vietnamese all in the name of corporate profits

The evidence for the demolition of wtc 1 2 & 7 is very extensive and because it derives from a broad range of well documented sources. Most of your (dare I call them 'arguments') stem from your own personal incredulity (which is fallacious reasoning).

Just because something seems unlikely is not reason to dismiss it. Evidence (or havent you seen the fema bpat app c or wtc7 coming down symmetrically or the derbis fields the Towers left, or 100 day fires, molten steel and iron, 1100 missing bodies etc etc? those are facts) and what must be weighed to decide. (I mean if the truth is what we're after) something there is no shortage of in this case.
Arguing how unlikely the thing would be to pull off, keep quiet, etc reallu address nothing because the events occurred and evidence is what it is. None of that is in question. The only real question is: were these natural events or were explosives involved, --subsequent to the plane impacts of course) Look at the EVIDENCE. The case is in fact so overwhelming that it can be convincingly argued from a variety of angles. SO take another look.

(I once argued the same as you: "Impossible!!" Then I looked closer..at all the evidence and with completely certainty that explosives were involved. Look at the facts and you will see it was not impossible and the evidence is there to prove it beyond any shadow of a doubt
cheers./

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Vietnam wasnt about really about fighting the spread of Communism. You do know that don't you?
That was almost 58k dead American servicemen and women and millions of dead of Vietnamese all in the name of corporate profits

That is what is called an opinion.

The evidence for the demolition of wtc 1 2 & 7 is very extensive and because it derives from a broad range of well documented sources. Most of your (dare I call them 'arguments') stem from your own personal incredulity (which is fallacious reasoning).

Just because something seems unlikely is not reason to dismiss it. Evidence (or havent you seen the fema bpat app c or wtc7 coming down symmetrically or the derbis fields the Towers left, or 100 day fires, molten steel and iron, 1100 missing bodies etc etc? those are facts) and what must be weighed to decide. (I mean if the truth is what we're after) something there is no shortage of in this case.
Arguing how unlikely the thing would be to pull off, keep quiet, etc reallu address nothing because the events occurred and evidence is what it is. None of that is in question. The only real question is: were these natural events or were explosives involved, --subsequent to the plane impacts of course) Look at the EVIDENCE. The case is in fact so overwhelming that it can be convincingly argued from a variety of angles. SO take another look.

(I once argued the same as you: "Impossible!!" Then I looked closer..at all the evidence and with completely certainty that explosives were involved. Look at the facts and you will see it was not impossible and the evidence is there to prove it beyond any shadow of a doubt
cheers./

And so is that. I see zero evidence for explosives, and I'm guessing here, but I'm likely much more qualified to have that opinion than you are to have yours. Its not thats it impossible for there to have been explosives, its simply that there is no need of them.

 

[twinstead]

(I once argued the same as you: "Impossible!!" Then I looked closer..at all the evidence and with completely certainty that explosives were involved. Look at the facts and you will see it was not impossible and the evidence is there to prove it beyond any shadow of a doubt
cheers./

When I looked closer I realized with complete certainty that explosives were NOT involved. There is too much evidence to support the commonly-held narrative, and too little to support any other narrative.

Soon, I realized that my politics was blinding me, like it is you, to the rational and unbiased conclusion that I have now.

Cheers

 

[LSSBB]

Then I looked closer..at all the evidence and with completely certainty that explosives were involved. Look at the facts and you will see it was not impossible and the evidence is there to prove it beyond any shadow of a doubt

So, you have detonators, sworn testimony of perpetrators, paperwork trails showing the purchase of explosives, film of perpetrators in action?

I haven't seen any of that kind of evidence, just some unqualified folks looking at a building falling and making conjectures, and some folks looking at paint chips and drawing some rather iffy conclusions.

 

[ozeco41]

So, you have detonators, sworn testimony of perpetrators, paperwork trails showing the purchase of explosives, film of perpetrators in action?

I haven't seen any of that kind of evidence, just some unqualified folks looking at a building falling and making conjectures, and some folks looking at paint chips and drawing some rather iffy conclusions.

PLUS some very qualified people showing that explosive demolition wasn't needed.

...which leaves those who claim that there was CD in the silly position of arguing that someone performed a CD which was hidden, produced no noise or visible evidence AND was a total waste of time.

 

[twinstead]

...which leaves those who claim that there was CD in the silly position of arguing that someone performed a CD which was hidden, produced no noise or visible evidence AND was a total waste of time.

Sounds like my first marriage...

 

[leftysergeant]

(I once argued the same as you: "Impossible!!" Then I looked closer..at all the evidence and with completely certainty that explosives were involved. Look at the facts and you will see it was not impossible and the evidence is there to prove it beyond any shadow of a doubt
cheers./

Cow cookies. There are no sounds consistant with high explosives and none of the visible signs of such explosions. Only because you have no freaking clue what an HE detonate should look and sound like, compared to dust being compressed and expressed by the collapse of a structure do you believe the crap that the twoofer disinfo operatives feed you.

 

[triforcharity]

.... (or havent you seen the fema bpat app c

What about it? Did you read the report from Dr. Sisson et al. from WPI?

or wtc7 coming down symmetrically

Lie. It most certainly did not.

Oops! Not a fact. Lie.

or the derbis fields the Towers left,

What about it? It was huge.

or 100 day fires,

Not a fact. It was 99 days, so, that is not a fact.

molten steel and iron,

Unproven, unsourced speculation.

1100 missing bodies etc etc?

What about it? Hundreds of bodies were never recovered from the HMS Titanic, or the hundreds from the USS Arizona, or the 14 from the space shuttle disasters, etc. etc. etc. Do you have a problem with this?

I could make a body disappear with a sledge hammer and a camp fire. Do you have some kind of point?

those are facts)

Nope, not all. Some are questions that make no claims, some are lies, and some are incorrect. I saw one fact.

Care to try again?

 

[Chuck Guiteau]

I apologize in advance for the abruptness of my opening statement, but the entire purpose of this thread, other than to gang stomp the Truther movement (which I will admit is an amusing pastime), escapes me.

I cannot conceive of any scenario that would justify wasting more than a few moments of casual review which would convince anyone of reasonable intelligence that the events of 911 were anything but work of 19 deranged religious fanatics under the direction of an equally deranged Saudi terrorist and his cohorts.

Any investigator, any prosecutor, needs to establish three things in order to make a prima facie case before a court of inquiry: Motive, Means, and Opportunity. All three are necessary and failure to provide just one refutes the theory. The Truther movement fails on all three.

A viable means and a reasonable opportunity have already been discussed ad infinitum ad nauseum elsewhere on this board.

Explosive demolition has conclusively been ruled out, as anyone with more than a passing knowledge of the subject can readily ascertain for himself/herself. All other theories can be dismissed as not only highly improbable but outright delusional in their inclusion. In short, no method exists (other than crashing two jetliners laden with fuel into the buildings and letting the laws of physics do the rest).

No reasonable opportunity has been submitted. Again, anyone familiar with controlled demolitions will understand the impossibility of preparing a building for a precise demolition in secrecy with a very limited window of opportunity and a small covert workforce, and preparations for its destruction during construction many years before the event is not just unlikely, it would require a level of prescient knowledge that would make Nostradamus look like a $10 lottery winner.

That leaves us with motive. Why, assuming there is such a cabal in control of the government, would they want to bring down the WTC by such a complicated method which would require vast resources, considerable numbers of co-conspirators both before, during, and after the fact, and have such an immense risk of exposure, when simpler, more effective, and vastly more secure methods exist and are available to them having equal or even greater impact on our collective consciousness without interrupting the flow of capital into their coffers?

This is the question I would like answered by the Truther movement.

 

[beachnut]

Vietnam wasnt ...

Off topic, and an opinion. 19 terrorists doing 911 is not related to corporate profits, so your opinion on Vietnam is not related to 911 issues; only exposes failed logic.

The evidence for the demolition of wtc 1 2 & 7 is very extensive

If you had evidence you would have a Pultizer Prize. You have the delusion you have evidence. You have lies, idiotic opinions, false claims, hearsay, and worse.

and because it derives from a broad range of well documented sources.

You have no sources with evidence.

Most of your (dare I call them 'arguments') stem from your own personal incredulity (which is fallacious reasoning).

Evidence is used by those who say you are wrong, you don't use evidence, you are projecting.

Just because something seems unlikely is not reason to dismiss it.

WTC 1, 2, and 7 collapsed due to fire. Buildings are very likely to be destroyed by fires not fought.

Evidence (or havent you seen the fema bpat app c or

Fire did it.

wtc7 coming down symmetrically

Do you know what symmetry is? The collapse was not symmetrical.

or the derbis fields the Towers left,

Exactly what they should be.

or 100 day fires,

? And?

molten steel and iron,

No melted steel found. The steel you show at the moronic web site in your sig, corroded, not melted.

1100 missing bodies etc etc?

The WTC event released over 250 TONS of TNT in the form of kinetic energy; this would not be unexpected to be missing bodies because they were crushed. Physics might not be your strong suit.

those are facts) and what must be weighed to decide. (I mean if the truth is what we're after) something there is no shortage of in this case.

You make up stuff based on nonsense.

Arguing how unlikely the thing would be to pull off, keep quiet, etc reallu address nothing because the events occurred and evidence is what it is. None of that is in question. The only real question is:

Your paranoia is showing; just say no.

were these natural events or were explosives involved, nd the evidence is there to prove it beyond any shadow of a doubt

19 terrorists did all the damage with 4 planes. A complex plot. Too many steps for you to figure out?
1. Kill pilots and crew as needed to take planes.
2. Crash planes into buildings.
Too complex for 911 truth, so 911 truth makes up simple fully explained explainations... lol

--... beyond any shadow of a doubt

You have no evidence to support your claims; never will.

(I once argued the same as you: "Impossible!!" Then I looked closer..at all the evidence and with completely certainty that explosives were involved. Look at the facts and you will see it was not impossible and the evidence is there to prove it beyond any shadow of a doubt
cheers./

Figure out what evidence means, and you will see you have made a mistake.

 

[achimspok]

Why from the cockpit?

Was al-Suqami in the cockpit at the time of the impact? How do you know?
ETA: And where was his passport? Was he carrying it? How do you know?

* reported mace in business class
* passengers evacuated in the back
* flight attendants who came back from business class
* cockpit door closed

Can he enter the plane without passport?
So may be it was in a non-delayed suitcase near row 10.
http://www.911myths.com/images/8/84/Flight_11_Manifest.gif
(please excuse that 911myth still publish the name of the living and innocent pilot Abdul Rahman as hijacker)

I try to imagine the behavior of a passport from row 10.
Especially if it has to fly backwards to Vesey St.

What did you say? How many passports from inside the plane were found?

Do you think that 5 hijackers and two pilots had enough space in the cockpit?

 

[beachnut]

* reported mace in business class
* passengers evacuated in the back
* flight attendants who came back from business class
* cockpit door closed

Can he enter the plane without passport?
So may be it was in a non-delayed suitcase near row 10.
http://www.911myths.com/images/8/84/Flight_11_Manifest.gif
(please excuse that 911myth still publish the name of the living and innocent pilot Abdul Rahman as hijacker)

I try to imagine the behavior of a passport from row 10.
Especially if it has to fly backwards to Vesey St.
http://www9.pic-upload.de/11.01.12/i4wkhb2yvtiy.gif
What did you say? How many passports from inside the plane were found?

Do you think that 5 hijackers and two pilots had enough space in the cockpit?

Are you the one saying the terrorists were too small to attack others and cut throats, surprise someone and cut their throat to disable them? Think about it, you are doing your job, facing forward, strapped in with shoulder harness and seatbelt, and a blitz attack, a little murderer, cuts your throat, from behind, the best way to do it; remember, the murderers practiced cutting throats...

There is room for more than 7 in the cockpit http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4041/4223282453_86e20e15bb.jpg (holy molee, you could put 31 people in there easy, maybe 50) (some people call the terrorist small, so you can fit more). Two pilots were DEAD. Dead people can be stuff into the corner of the cockpit, behind the seats, or moved to first class galley. http://www.flickr.com/photos/matt-bna/2964057808/ Failure again, grasshopper.

Living hijacker? LOL, big failure grasshopper.

There is no evidence where the passport was found. Failure, grasshopper, is on you like thorns on rose bush...

When you travel in foreign countries, you carry your passport with you, able to produce it on request. You don't get out much. You lack knowledge in many areas.

The fact is, objects in aircraft are able to survive massive kinetic energy impacts. You failed grasshopper. Better luck next time.


Do you try to look up stuff before you ask silly questions? You don't waste time researching 911; saves a lot of time. Good for you.

 

[achimspok]

Lie. It most certainly did not.
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reference needed?