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Why vegans are simply better people

Silly Green Monkey said:
All animals focus on their own species first before considering others, should humans be special in this regard?
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Well, if we want to claim any special intellectual capability, I'd say yes.

However, when push comes to shove, good old natural instinct will probably prevail.
 
bit_pattern said:
Although I've recently committed again to vegetarianism, I have to say that this was a disturbing passage to read. I used to really enjoy eating calamari. I think people are going to look back in horror at the 20th century and the industrial scale slaughter of sentient animals that we engage in :(
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True. WWI and WWII were enormous tragedies of sentient life. :(
 
LogicFail said:
hahahaha that's one of the dumbest things I've read on this forum (yes let that sink in)!!!
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For those of us who are actually trying to have a discussion here, I think you're reaction is one of the most immature I've seen.

Why don't you go back to swordfighting in WOW and leave the adult discussions to us?
 
Silly Green Monkey said:
All animals focus on their own species first before considering others, should humans be special in this regard?
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Maybe not special, but we are in a unique position and should behave accordingly. How and when this is applied though, i would say is highly subjective and quitw arbitrary. Saying that, the arrogance and inflated self worth of some vegans completely puts me off being one. They often display some of the uglier traits of our species, including holding human life (other than their own of course) in complete contempt.
 
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KuriousOrange said:
Saying that, the arrogance and inflated self worth of some vegans completely puts me off being one. They often display some of the uglier traits of our species, including holding human life (other than their own of course) in complete contempt.
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Do you have even one example of a vegan holding human life in complete contempt?
 
KuriousOrange said:
Maybe not special, but we are in a unique position and should behave accordingly. How and when this is applied though, i would say is highly subjective and quitw arbitrary. Saying that, the arrogance and inflated self worth of some vegans completely puts me off being one. They often display some of the uglier traits of our species, including holding human life (other than their own of course) in complete contempt.
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So the only thing putting you off from not eating animals are other people who already made the decision? You don't like those people so to hell with your ethical choices? Have you met any obnoxious people in other areas of ethics who have the same effect on you or is it just in relation to this subject?
 
lionking said:
#988 is pretty damn close. Tossing a coin before deciding whether to rescue a dog or a baby shows contempt for the baby's life in my opinion.
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I don't believe that to be true.

Dessi loves dogs AND she loves babies.

"Complete contempt" would mean she HATES babies.

I see no evidence of her hating babies or human beings in general.
 
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Unabogie said:
So the only thing putting you off from not eating animals are other people who already made the decision? You don't like those people so to hell with your ethical choices? Have you met any obnoxious people in other areas of ethics who have the same effect on you or is it just in relation to this subject?
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Not the only reason. I have thought about not eating meat but i'm not convinced of the argument from a dietary point of view or an ethical one. But the attitude some vegans display is disgusting - the op being a prime example. Saying everyone who eats meat is fat, stupid selfish and immoral isn't gonna get you anywhere and is irrational.
 
bit_pattern said:
Although I've recently committed again to vegetarianism, I have to say that this was a disturbing passage to read. I used to really enjoy eating calamari. I think people are going to look back in horror at the 20th century and the industrial scale slaughter of sentient animals that we engage in :(
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I recently came across this thread on another forum discussing cephalapod pain. A few people caring for octopuses (octopi?) describe some really interesting behavior of their animals, suggesting that animals protect damaged arms, have preferences for smooth surfaces when they're in pain, react in other intelligent ways.

Also, at least according to this article, laws regulating ethical considerations for vertebrate lab animals will extend to cephalapods. If an experiment can potentially cause pain to this class of animals, researchers will need to justify procedure and show that no alternatives are possible.

There's also a nice perspective on the topic, Invertebrate Suffering by Jennifer Mather, which discusses the subject of invertebrate boredom in captivity:
Abstract: Consideration of the welfare of other animals often is anthropocentric, focusing
usually on mammals similar to humans. This article argues the necessity of evaluating the extension of such consideration more widely to invertebrates. Although unlike humans, some groups such as cephalopod molluscs probably have the potential
for pain and suffering. In addition, a morality of care, rather than one of rights, and
the damage humans do to themselves by cruel treatment of animals both argue for
the extension of consideration to all animal species. This consideration predicts extension of basic care of cephalopods from simple housing and feeding into areas
such as behavioral enrichment.

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Ethical Considerations: One aspect of animalcare touching directly on indirect suffering is the alleviation
of boredom. Intelligent vertebrates such as monkeys and parrots often suffer from
the restrictions captivity imposes on their natural behavior (Shepherdson, Mellen,&
Hutchins, 1998). Octopuses are highly exploratory and even play (Mather & Anderson, 1999), but we do not know whether they suffer from the limitations of confinement. To prove that octopuses get bored, researchers would have to know that (a)
octopuses are capable of boredom; (b) in confinement, they become negative and
self-destructive; and (c) such behavior reverts when they are given enrichment. As
yet, we do not know if they meet these conditions,but the obvious positive effects for
animal keepers and the public has led to the enrichment attempts described in the following article (Anderson & Wood, 2001/this issue).
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KuriousOrange said:
But the attitude some vegans display is disgusting - the op being a prime example.
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The OP is a troll.

I'd like to say he's pretty lousy troll at that, but really, how many lousy trolls can boast a troll thread with 1000+ responses?
 
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citizenzen said:
Which to my ears means you really have no evidence to substantiate your claim.
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Believe what you wish. I seriously feel sorry for people who even think for a microsecond about whether to save a dog or a baby. As someone said earlier, this one comment negates the OP about vegans being better people.
 
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