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Ed Ofama... On Iran

In an ideal world there would be no nukes.
We don't live in that world, nor will we ever.
If any have some, it should be the liberal democracies.
 
varwoche said:
The logical extension of which is, you have "no problem" with any and all countries possessing nuclear weapons.
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bikerdruid said:
actually, that's true. if any whacko can have them, why not all whackos?
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If nuke status could be frozen as of this moment, sure, it coud happen again one day. But in the world you advocate, nuclear war is virtually assured, and militarization in general will occur at a faster pace.

I don't know what can be done to stop proliferation. I don't advocate war with Iran, and I don't expect sanctions to work. So I expect them to eventually have nukes and Saudi to follow, and on it will go. But I'm sure as hell not giving the whole thing a giddy thumbs up. That's outright madness and/or you're trolling.

Your commentary is indistinguishable from that of a sock of a right wing nut trying to discredit lefties by portaying them as so blinded by US hatred as to be disconnected from reality. (Not that I think so; I'm just conveying the level of irrationality you present.)
 
SezMe said:
What is it that you would accept? You want a picture of the stars and stripes tattooed on the stump of bone sticking out of the end of a kids leg? A picture of an old woman who crawled back to the spot where her legs were blown off and collected all the pieces of shrapnel that was left over so you can read USA printed on them? Jesus, WildCat.
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Just some documentation/evidence that it is US land mines causing the problems in Vietnam, and not mines laid by the VC or the NVA.

Got any? You're now 4th and 10 from your own 20, maybe you should punt?
 
WildCat said:
Just some documentation/evidence that it is US land mines causing the problems in Vietnam, and not mines laid by the VC or the NVA.

Got any? You're now 4th and 10 from your own 20, maybe you should punt?
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*punt* I'm just no longer interested in playing this silly game with you. And it's off topic.
 
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According to After the Guns Fall Silent: the Enduring Legacy of Landmines,

At the end of the Vietnam War, the number of mines in the country was estimated at 3,500,000 -- principally as a result of the conflict waged from 1965 to 1975. Mines were laid by the American, South Vietnamese and North Vietnamese forces during the war, particularly as the North Vietnamese advance began to eat into American-held territory south of the Ben Hai River. Although a comprehensive nationwide landmine survey has never been taken, government health officials have been tracking landmine incidents during the post-war years, and much information is available regarding the types of mines used and their locations.

At least 12 different types of antipersonnel landmines from eight different nations have been identified in Vietnam, in addition to several domestically produced improvised mines.

Although there has never been a countrywide mine survey, a 1993 document provided by the Ministry of Labor, War Invalids, and Social Affairs states that during the Indochina war, antipersonnel mines were laid in the beach areas of the province of Haiphong, in the province of Quangnam-Danang, and in the province of Quang Tri, along with other centrally located provinces south of the 17th Parallel (the then-border between North and South Vietnam). It is believed that there are significant minefields along the Chinese border that pose a risk to local populations, and in the mountainous region bordering Laos.

Areas surrounding the US military bases in cam Ranh Bay and Tan Son Nhut Airfield were mined, as were the airfield and outpost at Khe Sanh used by US Special Forces near the Ho Chih Minh Trail. Bridges (including that on Route 9 near Khe Sanh) were also mined, as were strategically important ports (including Cua Viet, which was a US-protected area surrounded by an electric fence and mined).

Unrecovered landmines are less of a problem on the north side of the Ben Hai River, since the North Vietnamese Army recognized that laying mines on its side of the border would be self-defeating after the war.
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The numbers and types of AP landmines as identified by postwar government landmine incident records are listed in a chart accompanying the above text. Mines manufactured and deployed by the US or other NATO nations like the Netherlands, such as the M16A1 and M16A2, make up about one third of the 58,747 identified mines in these incident reports.

The chart does separately identify copies of US AP mines manufactured in other countries, such as the 5,931 India-made M14 mines, which I did not include in my calculation above.

Note that this is only antipersonnel mines, and does not include any MOTAPM (Mines Other Than Anti-Personnel Mines), such as still-dangerous anti-tank mines, or the mines the US used to block ports and river mouths, many of which still exist and await clearing even today.
 
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ANTPogo said:
According to After the Guns Fall Silent: the Enduring Legacy of Landmines ...
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No. No. No.

Wlidcat specifically asked for proof.

Could you please go to Viet Nam and dig up a landline that says on it "Made in the U.S.A." and "Cheerfully Planted by the U.S. Army". We'll then need to conduct fingerprint analysis to confirm it was planted by an actual U.S. soldier ... and possibly run some DNA tests if no usable prints are found. Photographic or video evidence corroborating the find will be vital, as well as interviewing former soldiers stationed in the area at that time.*

Thank you.






* It's like people don't have a clue what "proof" means these days.
 
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