bikerdruid
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their hostile nuclear armed neighbours are not even signatories of the npt.
iran is a sovereign nation.
they do not have to listen to international agencies anymore than america does.
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their hostile nuclear armed neighbours are not even signatories of the npt.
iran is a sovereign nation.
they do not have to listen to international agencies anymore than america does.
tyr_13
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So you hold it against the US that they have broken treaties, but it's fine when Iran does so.
As long as I understand your position, you're welcome to it. I'd rather not have a theocracy with nuclear weapons. I'm not alright with N. Korea having them, I'm not alright with Pakistan having them. I'm not for nuclear proliferation, but you can be if you like.
EDIT: Oh, and what Iraq did or did not have is irrelevant to the question of what Iran is or is not seeking.
Tu quoque
Non sequitur
Tu quoque
Iran already lied about their secret plant in Qum. Why did they keep that secret?
bikerdruid
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Wow. I speculate that the percentage of people in the entire world outside of Iran who feel the same as you would round to 0%.
(And I have more confidence that would be true for self-identified hippies.)
In short, you're not even internally plausible.
bikerdruid
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i speculate that your estimate is 'out to lunch'.
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I don't think the IAEA have anything left they could put on the table. Back in the day when Iran first talked of getting reactors for 'peaceful purposes' The IAEA offered turnkey reactors from both the US and Russia, the offer was rejected. This rejection was pretty much taken that Iran was looking to weapon development as well as energy and medical needs.
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Yes, the goalposts are right there but you're still stuck at your own 20 yard line.
Where is the evidence that the land mines causing problems in Vietnam after the war were laid by the US?
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Who are their nuclear armed hostile neighbors?
SezMe
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*Wooosh*. Goalposts on WD40. The word "after" completely changes the question that originally arose in Travis' #112. Come back out of the locker room, WildCat.
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What are you on about? The US used mine fields around their bases (as they still do today), and the fields were meticulously mapped. The mines were thus able to be removed.
These aren't the mines causing problems in post-war Vietnam.
bikerdruid
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Who are their nuclear armed hostile neighbors?
wow.
Oh yea! Gee! We're just planting devices in the ground that can blow a human being into a thousand pieces. Golly - it's not that big of a gosh-darn deal!
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It's a serious question bd.
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It's a weapon of war, of course it can blow someone into a thousand pieces. That's the point.
Why do you think this is a "big gosh-darn deal"?
Actually, this is something YOU think is a pretty big deal, maybe you could elaborate?
SezMe
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I have searched in vain for the word "after" in Travis' post. Just can't find it. Woe is me. But with your help I'm sure it will magically appear.
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And you have evidence this was done before the US withdrawal in 1975?
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I thought this was an interesting question. I didn't know what the IAEA's authority was. Who formed it? Under what auspice does it operate? What "authority" does it really have?
Here's what I found out at IAEA.org ...
The Agency's genesis was US President Eisenhower's Atoms for Peace address to the General Assembly of the United Nations on 8 December 1953. These ideas helped to shape the IAEA Statute, which 81 nations unanimously approved in October 1956. The Statute outlines the three pillars of the Agency's work - nuclear verification and security, safety and technology transfer.
That led me to the The Statute of the IAEA [excerpted] ...
ARTICLE III: Functions
A. The Agency is authorized:
5. To establish and administer safeguards designed to ensure that special fissionable and other materials, services, equipment, facilities, and information made available by the Agency or at its request or under its supervision or control are not used in such a way as to further any military purpose; and to apply safeguards, at the request of the parties, to any bilateral or multilateral arrangement, or at the request of a State, to any of that State's activities in the field of atomic energy;
B. In carrying out its functions, the Agency shall:
4. Submit reports on its activities annually to the General Assembly of the United Nations and, when appropriate, to the Security Council: if in connection with the activities of the Agency there should arise questions that are within the competence of the Security Council, the Agency shall notify the Security Council, as the organ bearing the main responsibility for the maintenance of international peace and security, and may also take the measures open to it under this Statute, including those provided in paragraph C of Article XII;
D. Subject to the provisions of this Statute and to the terms of agreements concluded between a State or a group of States and the Agency which shall be in accordance with the provisions of the Statute, the activities of the Agency shall be carried out with due observance of the sovereign rights of States.
ARTICLE IV: Membership
C. The Agency is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its members, and all members, in order to ensure to all of them the rights and benefits resulting from membership, shall fulfill in good faith the obligation assumed by them in accordance with this Statute.
ARTICLE XII: Agency safeguards
6. To send into the territory of the recipient State or States inspectors, designated by the Agency after consultation with the State or States concerned, who shall have access at all times to all places and data and to any person who by reason of his occupation deals with materials, equipment, or facilities which are required by this Statute to be safeguarded, as necessary to account for source and special fissionable materials supplied and fissionable products and to determine whether there is compliance with the undertaking against use in furtherance of any military purpose referred to in sub- paragraph F-4 of article Xl, with the health and safety measures referred to in sub- paragraph A-2 of this article, and with any other conditions prescribed in the agreement between the Agency and the State or States concerned. Inspectors designated by the Agency shall be accompanied by representatives of the authorities of the State concerned, if that State so requests, provided that the inspectors shall not thereby be delayed or otherwise impeded in the exercise of their functions;
7. In the event of non- compliance and failure by the recipient State or States to take requested corrective steps within a reasonable time, to suspend or terminate assistance and withdraw any materials and equipment made available by the Agency or a member in furtherance of the project.
C. The staff of inspectors shall also have the responsibility of obtaining and verifying the accounting referred to in sub paragraph A-6 of this article and of determining whether there is compliance with the undertaking referred to in sub paragraph F-4 of article XI, with the measures referred to in sub- paragraph A-2 of this article, and with all other conditions of the project prescribed in the agreement between the Agency and the State or States concerned. The inspectors shall report any non-compliance to the Director General who shall thereupon transmit the report to the Board of Governors. The Board shall call upon the recipient State or States to remedy forthwith any non-compliance which it finds to have occurred. The Board shall report the non-compliance to all members and to the Security Council and General Assembly of the United Nations. In the event of failure of the recipient State or States to take fully corrective action within a reasonable time, the Board may take one or both of the following measures: direct curtailment or suspension of assistance being provided by the Agency or by a member, and call for the return of materials and equipment made available to the recipient member or group of members. The Agency may also, in accordance with article XIX, suspend any non- complying member from the exercise of the privileges and rights of membership.
ARTICLE XVII: Settlement of disputes
A. Any question or dispute concerning the interpretation or application of this Statute which is not settled by negotiation shall be referred to the International Court of Justice in conformity with the Statute of the Court, unless the parties concerned agree on another mode of settlement.
B. The General Conference and the Board of Governors are separately empowered, subject to authorization from the General Assembly of the United Nations, to request the International Court of Justice to give an advisory opinion on any legal question arising within the scope of the Agency's activities.
ARTICLE XIX: Suspension of privileges
B. A member which has persistently violated the provisions of this Statute or of any agreement entered into by it pursuant to this Statute may be suspended from the exercise of the privileges and rights of membership by the General Conference acting by a two- thirds majority of the members present and voting upon recommendation by the Board of Governors.
A. The Agency is authorized:
5. To establish and administer safeguards designed to ensure that special fissionable and other materials, services, equipment, facilities, and information made available by the Agency or at its request or under its supervision or control are not used in such a way as to further any military purpose; and to apply safeguards, at the request of the parties, to any bilateral or multilateral arrangement, or at the request of a State, to any of that State's activities in the field of atomic energy;
B. In carrying out its functions, the Agency shall:
4. Submit reports on its activities annually to the General Assembly of the United Nations and, when appropriate, to the Security Council: if in connection with the activities of the Agency there should arise questions that are within the competence of the Security Council, the Agency shall notify the Security Council, as the organ bearing the main responsibility for the maintenance of international peace and security, and may also take the measures open to it under this Statute, including those provided in paragraph C of Article XII;
D. Subject to the provisions of this Statute and to the terms of agreements concluded between a State or a group of States and the Agency which shall be in accordance with the provisions of the Statute, the activities of the Agency shall be carried out with due observance of the sovereign rights of States.
ARTICLE IV: Membership
C. The Agency is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its members, and all members, in order to ensure to all of them the rights and benefits resulting from membership, shall fulfill in good faith the obligation assumed by them in accordance with this Statute.
ARTICLE XII: Agency safeguards
6. To send into the territory of the recipient State or States inspectors, designated by the Agency after consultation with the State or States concerned, who shall have access at all times to all places and data and to any person who by reason of his occupation deals with materials, equipment, or facilities which are required by this Statute to be safeguarded, as necessary to account for source and special fissionable materials supplied and fissionable products and to determine whether there is compliance with the undertaking against use in furtherance of any military purpose referred to in sub- paragraph F-4 of article Xl, with the health and safety measures referred to in sub- paragraph A-2 of this article, and with any other conditions prescribed in the agreement between the Agency and the State or States concerned. Inspectors designated by the Agency shall be accompanied by representatives of the authorities of the State concerned, if that State so requests, provided that the inspectors shall not thereby be delayed or otherwise impeded in the exercise of their functions;
7. In the event of non- compliance and failure by the recipient State or States to take requested corrective steps within a reasonable time, to suspend or terminate assistance and withdraw any materials and equipment made available by the Agency or a member in furtherance of the project.
C. The staff of inspectors shall also have the responsibility of obtaining and verifying the accounting referred to in sub paragraph A-6 of this article and of determining whether there is compliance with the undertaking referred to in sub paragraph F-4 of article XI, with the measures referred to in sub- paragraph A-2 of this article, and with all other conditions of the project prescribed in the agreement between the Agency and the State or States concerned. The inspectors shall report any non-compliance to the Director General who shall thereupon transmit the report to the Board of Governors. The Board shall call upon the recipient State or States to remedy forthwith any non-compliance which it finds to have occurred. The Board shall report the non-compliance to all members and to the Security Council and General Assembly of the United Nations. In the event of failure of the recipient State or States to take fully corrective action within a reasonable time, the Board may take one or both of the following measures: direct curtailment or suspension of assistance being provided by the Agency or by a member, and call for the return of materials and equipment made available to the recipient member or group of members. The Agency may also, in accordance with article XIX, suspend any non- complying member from the exercise of the privileges and rights of membership.
ARTICLE XVII: Settlement of disputes
A. Any question or dispute concerning the interpretation or application of this Statute which is not settled by negotiation shall be referred to the International Court of Justice in conformity with the Statute of the Court, unless the parties concerned agree on another mode of settlement.
B. The General Conference and the Board of Governors are separately empowered, subject to authorization from the General Assembly of the United Nations, to request the International Court of Justice to give an advisory opinion on any legal question arising within the scope of the Agency's activities.
ARTICLE XIX: Suspension of privileges
B. A member which has persistently violated the provisions of this Statute or of any agreement entered into by it pursuant to this Statute may be suspended from the exercise of the privileges and rights of membership by the General Conference acting by a two- thirds majority of the members present and voting upon recommendation by the Board of Governors.
So do I recognize the authority of the IAEA? Yes. It all sounds quite reasonable: recognizing national sovereignty, using negotiations, the International Court of Justice or the bodies of the U.N. to resolve disputes.
Now that's the kind of authority I can stand behind.