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JFK Conspiracy Theories: It Never Ends

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RoboTimbo said:
Robert, now that you've repeatedly and knowingly posted out of context quotes with the intent to deceive, what are you hoping to accomplish with your dishonesty and deception?

Your feet already look like Swiss cheese with the self-inflictd gunshot wounds.
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A whitewash of the uncensored facts?
 
Walter Ego said:
No, but he did post that cartoon picture of the alleged gaping exit wound on the back of JFK's head again. He flashes that drawing around like a kid in a schoolyard with a copy of Penthouse filched from the bottom of his dad's underwear drawer.

He probably has a copy of it in his wallet and bores passengers on the city bus with it while he lectures them about the 30 (or 40, take your pick) "unimpeachable" Parkland witnesses while waving it around and then can't understand why nobody wants to sit next to him.

Robert has about five flashcards and we've seen them a hundred times each as if sheer repetition makes them true.
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When dealing with children, or immature adults for that matter, repetition is often necessary when repeatedly asked the same dumb questions.
 
HSienzant said:
Not this nonsense again.

Here's Katzenbach's memo. Please read the first line, if you do nothing else:
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/fbi/105-82555/124-10010-10135/html/124-10010-10135_0002a.htm

Here's Katzenbach's testimony to the HSCA (House Select Committee on Assassinations):

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol3/pdf/HSCA_Vol3_0921_5_Katzen.pdf

Basically, what you are doing (and the critics you quote are doing) is quote mining, taking statements out of context and putting a nefarious, sinister conspiracy spin on those statements.

The above proves you are wrong.

Hank
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The first line is just as incriminating as the rest of it. "...told in such a way." How about an open minded investigation to wherever it leads. That is not a part of the K memo and you know it.
 
Robert Prey said:
When dealing with acting like children, or immature adults for that matter, repetition is often necessary when repeatedly asked telling the same dumb questions answers.
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You had so many things wrong, I had to fix it for you. Don't be so hard on yourself. You come by your dishonesty dishonestly.

Still using your red Crayola?
 
Robert Prey said:
When dealing with children, or immature adults for that matter, repetition is often necessary when repeatedly asked the same dumb questions.
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Yes, we have found that when answering your often repeated tosh and piffle.

Do you have any material evidence yet? Or just more stories?
 
Robert Prey said:
The first line is just as incriminating as the rest of it. "...told in such a way." How about an open minded investigation to wherever it leads. That is not a part of the K memo and you know it.
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Or to quote it accurately (as apparently that is not a "mature" thing for "teacher" to do):

It is important for all the facts surrounding President Kennedy's Assasination be made public in a way that will satisfy people in the United States and abroad that all the facts have been told And that a statement to that effect is to be made now.
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Emphasis mine.

You will notice that far from the cherry picked half sentence Mr Mature wants us to read, the entire line describes an entirely different purpose and understanding. If one is to launch a cover up, to order the revelation of all facts is an odd way to go about it.

Once again Roberts reading and comprehension failure is the only "evidence" he is able to offer.
 
Robert Prey said:
When dealing with children, or immature adults for that matter, repetition is often necessary when repeatedly asked the same dumb questions.
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Why would you want to deal with children or immature adults?
 
Robert Prey said:
When dealing with children, or immature adults for that matter, repetition is often necessary when repeatedly asked the same dumb questions.
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Or, when listening to delusional people or people otherwise separated from reality, you often hear them repeat the same things, over and over again. It's kind of like a mantra or fixation.
 
Tomtomkent said:
Or to quote it accurately (as apparently that is not a "mature" thing for "teacher" to do):


Emphasis mine.

You will notice that far from the cherry picked half sentence Mr Mature wants us to read, the entire line describes an entirely different purpose and understanding. If one is to launch a cover up, to order the revelation of all facts is an odd way to go about it.

Once again Roberts reading and comprehension failure is the only "evidence" he is able to offer.
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"The public must be satisfied that Oswald was the assassin; that he did not have confederates who are still at large; and that the evidence was such that he would have been convicted at trial."

Try as you will, to turn truth into falsehood, the statement speaks for itself. Forget everything else. We must convict Oswald in the court of public opinion and the quest for the truth be damned. That is what any fair minded observer would conclude.

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Robert Prey said:
"The public must be satisfied that Oswald was the assassin; that he did not have confederates who are still at large; and that the evidence was such that he would have been convicted at trial."

Try as you will, to turn truth into falsehood, the statement speaks for itself. Forget everything else. We must convict Oswald in the court of public opinion and the quest for the truth be damned. That is what any fair minded observer would conclude.

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Try as you might, you have proven nothing in that statement false.

As far as the man was concerned, the available facts pointed to Oswald being the killer, with more evidence than would have been required to take him to trial, with no evidence of confederates at large.

Which part of that statement can you prove he believed to be wrong when he dictated the message?
 
Robert Prey said:
"The public must be satisfied that Oswald was the assassin; that he did not have confederates who are still at large; and that the evidence was such that he would have been convicted at trial."

Try as you will, to turn truth into falsehood, the statement speaks for itself. Forget everything else. We must convict Oswald in the court of public opinion and the quest for the truth be damned. That is what any fair minded observer would conclude.

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Stop embarrassing yourself with more absurd dishonesty.
 
Robert Prey said:
"The public must be satisfied that Oswald was the assassin; that he did not have confederates who are still at large; and that the evidence was such that he would have been convicted at trial."

Try as you will, to turn truth into falsehood, the statement speaks for itself. Forget everything else. We must convict Oswald in the court of public opinion and the quest for the truth be damned. That is what any fair minded observer would conclude.

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Isn't it funny how some people continue to misunderstand the English language - when cherry picked out of context.

If you need that quote explained, just ask.
 
Robrob said:
Isn't it funny how some people continue to misunderstand the English language - when cherry picked out of context.

If you need that quote explained, just ask.
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Cherry picked out of context?
Nonsense. Fact is, virtually everything posted on these boards is "out of context" since that happens to be a rule of the forum. Now if you want the complete context it's easily obtainable.
The most tortured interpretation cannot twist the meaning as anything other than Whitewash and Coverup.

http://www.jfklancer.com/Katzenbach.html
 
Robert Prey said:
Cherry picked out of context?
Nonsense. Fact is, virtually everything posted on these boards is "out of context" since that happens to be a rule of the forum. Now if you want the complete context it's easily obtainable.
The most tortured interpretation cannot twist the meaning as anything other than Whitewash and Coverup.

http://www.jfklancer.com/Katzenbach.html
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We know it's obtainable. The whole document was posted here, which is why we have been telling you that your cherry picked quotes are out of the context of the document.

What on earth does that have to do with being a rule of the forum?
 
Robert Prey said:
Cherry picked out of context?
Nonsense. Fact is, virtually everything posted on these boards is "out of context" since that happens to be a rule of the forum. Now if you want the complete context it's easily obtainable.
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Robert, either you do not know what quoting out of context means or you are pretending not to know what it means. I'm voting for the latter. The forum rule you mention only had to do with cutting and pasting large blocks of text from other web sites. It is possible to pull quotes without distorting the meaning of the source you're quoting.

Your quote mining of the Katzenbach memo was intentionally deceptive as was your quote mining of Marina Oswald's testimony from the Warren Report regarding Lee Harvey Oswald's fluency in Russian. Your feigned ignorance of the definition of quoting out of context does not alter the fact that you were trying to pull a fast one in both cases.

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As it turns out, Dave Rogers educated Robert on the Katzenbach memo way back on post #209 here. Dave even quoted the entire memo without getting wrist-slapped for violating any forum rule. That cherry-picked quote must be on one of Robert's little flash cards. Maybe he thought he wouldn't get busted if he played it again.
 
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Walter Ego said:
Robert, either you do not know what quoting out of context means or you are pretending not to know what it means. I'm voting for the latter. The forum rule you mention only had to do with cutting and pasting large blocks of text from other web sites. It is possible to pull quotes without distorting the meaning of the source you're quoting.

Your quote mining of the Katzenbach memo was intentionally deceptive as was your quote mining of Marina Oswald's testimony from the Warren Report regarding Lee Harvey Oswald's fluency in Russian. Your feigned ignorance of the definition of quoting out of context does not alter the fact that you were trying to pull a fast one in both cases.

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As it turns out, Dave Rogers educated Robert on the Katzenbach memo way back on post #209 here. Dave even quoted the entire memo without getting wrist-slapped for violating any forum rule. That cherry-picked quote must be on one of Robert's little flash cards. Maybe he thought he wouldn't get busted if he played it again.
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And according to Rogers:
"Katzenbach is clearly saying here that the facts do not support the conspiracy theory, and that the facts should be released in full so as to end speculation when the true identity of the sole assassin is already known. It only looks like a whitewash if you start from the presumption that there was a conspiracy..."

The K memo asserts that facts do not support the conspiracy theory even before there was any investigation of the facts and bear in mind the memo was written NOv. 25th, one day after the assassination. Talk about a Rush to Judgement. And the true identity of the assassin is already known only by the un-proven assertions of the cover-uppers themselves. It certainly must look like a whitewash if you start from the presumption that there not only was one shooter,and that he/'she had no accomplices. And I don't know how Rogers got away with quoting the entire memo. Perhaps you do. FAct is, the entire memo is far more incriminating to a govt. cover-up than the portion I quoted. And then we also have the J Edgar Hoover memo which commands the attention of all to the same official script:

"The thing I am most concerned about, and SO IS Mr. Katzenbach, is having something issued so that WE can convince the pubic that Oswald is the real assassin." (HSCA, vol 3, pp 471-473. This memo was apparently prepared by Hoover at 4 pm.)
 
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