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JFK Conspiracy Theories: It Never Ends

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Robert Prey said:
So a bullet hole through a traffic light is the extent of your scholarship? How about a bullet through the front of the head and a large blow-out in the back? I'll bet they didn't cover that on that TV special.

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The difference being there is material evidence to support the bullet passing through the traffic light.

There is no physical evidence of a large blow out on the back of the head. No there is no material evidence to support the claim.

That drawing proves nothing other than the subject memories of somebody who has been shown to have made conflicting statements. There is absolutely no reason to assume a picture drawn from memory is more accurate than the photographs and film we have of the body, and the event itself.

Got any material evidence yet Robert?

Maybe you should drink some of your miracle water and wish real hard for some?
 
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Tomtomkent said:
The difference being there is material evidence to support the bullet passing through the traffic light.

There is no physical evidence of a large blow out on the back of the head. No there is no material evidence to support the claim.

That drawing proves nothing other than the subject memories of somebody who has been shown to have made conflicting statements. There is absolutely no reason to assume a picture drawn from memory is more accurate
Maybe you should drink some of your miracle water and wish real hard for some?than the photographs and film we have of the body, and the event itself.

Got any material evidence yet Robert?
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Just the material observations of all the 30 plus first hand medical witnesses at Parkland corroborating a large blow-out in the back of the head pointing to a shot from the front, and a Warren Commission coverup. It certainly is amazing to me, having viewed many of these so-called investigative programs on the JFK assassination, that none of them dare to cover the Best Evidence, namely, the condition of the head wound -- the fatal shot. They all try to convince you that LHO was not just a shooter but the only shooter. Of course, they can't do that, so they don't even try. Not to ever even mention the Odio incident as well.
 
So I believe the actual answer was:
"No." Seeing as how anectdotes are not material evidence, and there has yet to be any physical or material evidence to prove the WC was a "whitewash".
 
Robert Prey said:
So a bullet hole through a traffic light is the extent of your scholarship? How about a bullet through the front of the head and a large blow-out in the back? I'll bet they didn't cover that on that TV special.

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Nope, it WAS the first time I had heard it mentioned. I have a casual interest in this as I have things like a life and friends and stuff to do most of the time.
 
Robert Prey said:
Just the material observations of all the 30 plus first hand medical witnesses at Parkland corroborating a large blow-out in the back of the head pointing to a shot from the front...
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You've said this about 900 times already.

... and a Warren Commission coverup.
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Ditto.

It certainly is amazing to me, having viewed many of these so-called investigative programs on the JFK assassination, that none of them dare to cover the Best Evidence, namely, the condition of the head wound -- the fatal shot. They all try to convince you that LHO was not just a shooter but the only shooter. Of course, they can't do that, so they don't even try. Not to ever even mention the Odio incident as well.
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What programs are you talking about, Robert? I haven't seen the National Geographic show but offhand I can think of only one television documentary which had the balls to come and flatly say the conspiracy theories are bunk and that was The Kennedy Assassination, Beyond Conspiracy (which you can watch here).

The overwhelming majority of programs about the JFK assassination on the cable channels like the History Channel and the Discovery Channel, etc. have been, if not overtly pro-conspiracy, at least conspiracy friendly.

And you are of course wrong about the Odio incident. It was featured and even given credence in the PBS Frontline documentary Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald? You would have known this if you were paying attention to this thread because it was mentioned here.

It sounds like you've got your panties in a wad because your outré conspiracy theories are not getting any airtime. Sorry to break it to you, Robert, but even the majority of conspiracy wackaloons won't touch your stuff with a dead porcupine. Even deluded kooktards have standards.
 
Walter Ego said:
You've said this about 900 times already.


Ditto.



What programs are you talking about, Robert? I haven't seen the National Geographic show but offhand I can think of only one television documentary which had the balls to come and flatly say the conspiracy theories are bunk and that was The Kennedy Assassination, Beyond Conspiracy (which you can watch here).

The overwhelming majority of programs about the JFK assassination on the cable channels like the History Channel and the Discovery Channel, etc. have been, if not overtly pro-conspiracy, at least conspiracy friendly.

And you are of course wrong about the Odio incident. It was featured and even given credence in the PBS Frontline documentary Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald? You would have known this if you were paying attention to this thread because it was mentioned here.

It sounds like you've got your panties in a wad because your outré conspiracy theories are not getting any airtime. Sorry to break it to you, Robert, but even the majority of conspiracy wackaloons won't touch your stuff with a dead porcupine. Even deluded kooktards have standards.
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He's starting to lose his flavor.
 
Walter Ego said:
You've said this about 900 times already.



Ditto.



What programs are you talking about, Robert? I haven't seen the National Geographic show but offhand I can think of only one television documentary which had the balls to come and flatly say the conspiracy theories are bunk and that was The Kennedy Assassination, Beyond Conspiracy (which you can watch here).

The overwhelming majority of programs about the JFK assassination on the cable channels like the History Channel and the Discovery Channel, etc. have been, if not overtly pro-conspiracy, at least conspiracy friendly.

And you are of course wrong about the Odio incident. It was featured and even given credence in the PBS Frontline documentary Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald? You would have known this if you were paying attention to this thread because it was mentioned here.

It sounds like you've got your panties in a wad because your outré conspiracy theories are not getting any airtime. Sorry to break it to you, Robert, but even the majority of conspiracy wackaloons won't touch your stuff with a dead porcupine. Even deluded kooktards have standards.
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"Wackaloons, Kooktards," -- so you're back to your original deep thinking post. Haven't grown up a bit. And no, there have been no programs that deal with the Best Evidence -- the Head Wounds seen at Parkland. If there was, name it.
 
Robert Prey said:
"Wackaloons, Kooktards," -- so you're back to your original deep thinking post. Haven't grown up a bit. And no, there have been no programs that deal with the Best Evidence -- the Head Wounds seen at Parkland. If there was, name it.
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So you can't think of anything you've gotten right from the Wackaloon or Kooktard sites? You just swallow whatever they're selling?
 
Tomtomkent said:
So I believe the actual answer was:
"No." Seeing as how anectdotes are not material evidence, and there has yet to be any physical or material evidence to prove the WC was a "whitewash".
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"Material Evidence" of WC Whitewash Written with genuine print on Genuine Paper Material
(Fingerprints and DNA to follow)

Katzenbach lays out the need for a public statement on the assassination. Katzenbach states that "The public must be satisfied that Oswald was the assassin; that he did not have confederates who are still at large; and that the evidence was such that he would have been convicted at trial."
Nov. 25, 1963
Attorney General Nicholas Katzenbach

http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Walkthrough_-_Formation_of_the_Warren_Commission

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Archive Photos Not of JFK's Brain, Concludes Aide to Review Board

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/jfk/jfk1110.htm

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Poll: Most Believe 'Cover-Up' of JFK Assassination Facts
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,102511,00.html
Published June 18, 2004


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Warren Counsel Wesley Liebeler:
“Well, you know if we do find out that this is a conspiracy you know that we have orders from Chief Justice Warren to cover this thing up.”

http://www.ctka.net/pr996-odio.html
 
Robert Prey said:
"Material Evidence" of WC Whitewash Written with genuine print on Genuine Paper Material
(Fingerprints and DNA to follow)

Katzenbach lays out the need for a public statement on the assassination. Katzenbach states that "The public must be satisfied that Oswald was the assassin; that he did not have confederates who are still at large; and that the evidence was such that he would have been convicted at trial."
Nov. 25, 1963
Attorney General Nicholas Katzenbach

http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Walkthrough_-_Formation_of_the_Warren_Commission
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Archive Photos Not of JFK's Brain, Concludes Aide to Review Board

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/jfk/jfk1110.htm* * *

Poll: Most Believe 'Cover-Up' of JFK Assassination Facts
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,102511,00.html
Published June 18, 2004

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Warren Counsel Wesley Liebeler:
“Well, you know if we do find out that this is a conspiracy you know that we have orders from Chief Justice Warren to cover this thing up.”

http://www.ctka.net/pr996-odio.html
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So let's see:
A quote taken out of context as already discussed at length here. Not a piece of material evidence.
Oh look, a story more about the opinion of somebody than the evidence itself. This boils down to an incorrect set of photographs of a brain damaged from the front being included in the files, and offers nothing to suggest that the rest of the material evidence is faked.

More opinions. A lot of people believe in God and luck. They aren't real either. This is not evidence

And we finish off with yet another quote taken out of context.

Wow. I remain underwhelmed. And confused. Robert still has not prouced any material evidence, or shown he understands the concept at all.
 
Robert Prey said:
And no, there have been no programs that deal with the Best Evidence -- the Head Wounds seen at Parkland. If there was, name it.
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So unless a TV show promotes your flavor of conspiracy theory, it's bogus, right? It's not enough that most shows on the JFK assassination promote conspiracy theories, it must your theory.

Actually it's not even your theory. It's cribbed from Livingstone and Lifton which is why you always capitalize Best Evidence, the title of Lifton's book.

And here's why your "Best Evidence" has not been on TV: because there are degrees of nuttiness that even the pandering to the lowest common denominator TV networks won't touch. (Which I said already in the post you quoted but which you typically didn't comprehend.)
 
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How can the claims of a headwound be the best evidence? The Body istself is best evidence. The rifle, fingerprints, shell casings, bullets and bullet holes are the best evidence. The subjective memories of what somebody thought they saw is not in any way the best evidence.

If this was true, then the best evidence we would have would suggest that despite the Statue of Liberty being there, a magician made it vanish. That is what a lot of people saw.
 
Tomtomkent said:
How can the claims of a headwound be the best evidence? The Body istself is best evidence. The rifle, fingerprints, shell casings, bullets and bullet holes are the best evidence. The subjective memories of what somebody thought they saw is not in any way the best evidence.

If this was true, then the best evidence we would have would suggest that despite the Statue of Liberty being there, a magician made it vanish. That is what a lot of people saw.
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I'm going to agree with Robert here. Witness statements are the best material evidence so we'll have to abide by the millions of people who saw the Zapruder film and the massive head wound in the right front of JFK's head and the fact that Oswald is the lone shooter. Robert got that one right. Millions of witnesses can't be wrong.

Well done, Robert. Bang!
 
Robert Prey said:
"Material Evidence" of WC Whitewash Written with genuine print on Genuine Paper Material
(Fingerprints and DNA to follow)

Katzenbach lays out the need for a public statement on the assassination. Katzenbach states that "The public must be satisfied that Oswald was the assassin; that he did not have confederates who are still at large; and that the evidence was such that he would have been convicted at trial."
Nov. 25, 1963
Attorney General Nicholas Katzenbach

http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Walkthrough_-_Formation_of_the_Warren_Commission

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Not this nonsense again.

Here's Katzenbach's memo. Please read the first line, if you do nothing else:
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/fbi/105-82555/124-10010-10135/html/124-10010-10135_0002a.htm

Here's Katzenbach's testimony to the HSCA (House Select Committee on Assassinations):

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol3/pdf/HSCA_Vol3_0921_5_Katzen.pdf

Basically, what you are doing (and the critics you quote are doing) is quote mining, taking statements out of context and putting a nefarious, sinister conspiracy spin on those statements.

The above proves you are wrong.

Hank
 
Tomtomkent said:
Wow. I remain underwhelmed. And confused. Robert still has not prouced any material evidence, or shown he understands the concept at all.
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No, but he did post that cartoon picture of the alleged gaping exit wound on the back of JFK's head again. He flashes that drawing around like a kid in a schoolyard with a copy of Penthouse filched from the bottom of his dad's underwear drawer.

He probably has a copy of it in his wallet and bores passengers on the city bus with it while he lectures them about the 30 (or 40, take your pick) "unimpeachable" Parkland witnesses while waving it around and then can't understand why nobody wants to sit next to him.

Robert has about five flashcards and we've seen them a hundred times each as if sheer repetition makes them true.
 
HSienzant said:
Not this nonsense again.

Here's Katzenbach's memo. Please read the first line, if you do nothing else:
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/fbi/105-82555/124-10010-10135/html/124-10010-10135_0002a.htm

Here's Katzenbach's testimony to the HSCA (House Select Committee on Assassinations):

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol3/pdf/HSCA_Vol3_0921_5_Katzen.pdf

Basically, what you are doing (and the critics you quote are doing) is quote mining, taking statements out of context and putting a nefarious, sinister conspiracy spin on those statements.

The above proves you are wrong.

Hank
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Yes. This has been pointed out before. You are seeing the usual response.
 
Robert Prey said:
"Material Evidence" of WC Whitewash
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Robert, now that you've repeatedly and knowingly posted out of context quotes with the intent to deceive, what are you hoping to accomplish with your dishonesty and deception?

Your feet already look like Swiss cheese with the self-inflictd gunshot wounds.
 
Robert Prey said:
"Material Evidence" of WC Whitewash Written with genuine print on Genuine Paper Material
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The Warren Commission Whitewash that you dishonestly quote minded to "prove" your bogus contention that your hero Lee Harvey Oswald went to a U.S. government language school to learn Russian? That Warren Commission Whitewash?

Care for me to pull up some DNA and fingerprints on that one, Robert?
 
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