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Will there be a war with Iran?

Will there be a war between the US and Iran?

  • Yes, next year.

    Votes: 11 10.7%
  • Yes, within the next 5 years.

    Votes: 21 20.4%
  • Yes, within the next 10 years.

    Votes: 7 6.8%
  • No.

    Votes: 49 47.6%
  • On Planet X, conflicts are settled with a mass beard growing contest.

    Votes: 15 14.6%

  • Total voters
    103

dogjones

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This was sent to me by an advisory service:


Iran The transfer of uranium enrichment processes to hardened facilities invulnerable to bombing increases the likelihood of an Israeli strike in 2012.



KEY JUDGMENT

We assess that the probability of a unilateral Israeli strike will increase from unlikely (10% probability) to likely (50% plus) between about March and June 2012 onwards, giving time for the latest sanctions to take effect (and to be seen to have failed to produce a change in Iranian policy) and for Israeli covert disruption operations to be intensified. The key Israeli consideration is likely to be the narrowing window of opportunity for a strike before uranium enrichment processes are transferred to hardened underground facilities, where they will be invulnerable to air strike.



The US is unlikely to participate in a deliberately-mounted strike operation, unless Israel is first attacked or convinces the US it is under imminent threat. If forewarned, the US will, however, likely provide targeting intelligence and other enabling support, including defensive missile cover against Iranian missile retaliation.



EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

• The Israeli desired end-state of a fully transparent and monitored Iranian civil nuclear programme would require concessions that Iran shows no sign of making. Iran sees US and EU sanctions targeting oil exports and Iran's Central Bank as precursors to military action.

• Before resorting to the air strike option, we expect Israel to step up the more cost-effective and targeted use of intensifying its covert operations to inflict delay on Iran's nuclear programme.

• A unilateral Israeli strike would require an all-out effort but be limited in both targets and duration, as Israel cannot risk its aircraft in a sustained air campaign in which surprise would be lost. We expect Israel to avoid use of Saudi airspace, but to use the shorter attack/egress routes over Turkey/Syria and Jordan/Iraq.

• In the event of a unilateral Israeli strike, in which Iran judged the Gulf Arab countries had taken no part, the Iranian response would be focused on Israel, with widespread, but sustainable, damage to population centres incurred by Scud-derived ballistic missiles and mass rocket attacks from Iran's proxies in south Lebanon and Gaza. Israeli diplomats and tourists in the region and beyond would be singled out for attack.

• In the coming months we expect Iran to talk up the threat of closure of the Strait of Hormuz, resulting in short-lived spikes in oil prices. This is, however, a card that Iran is unlikely to play unless first subjected to a sustained US-led campaign and it perceives the Islamic Republic's survival to be at risk. Closure would risk precipitating an all-out US-led attack, and Iran's defeat in a matter of weeks, rather than achieve the Iranian aim of internationalising the issue in Iran's favour.

• In the event of an Israeli attack, there would be an increased risk that Iran would halt oil production for up to a week, in order to cause a spike in the oil price, but it would not do so for a longer period given its dependence on oil revenues and its likely desire not to antagonise its most valued Asian customers (China, South Korea and Japan).



TRIGGER EVENTS

Events that would trigger an increase in war risks include:

• Iran's expulsion of International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) inspectors.

• Iran's formal withdrawal from the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).

• Iranian closure of the Straits of Hormuz.

• An Iranian attack on shipping in the Gulf or other retaliation to a successful Israeli disruption operation.

• Discovery of a hitherto clandestine uranium enrichment site.



INDICATORS OF INCREASED RISK

• Netanyahu receives overwhelming support in the Likud primaries in January 2012 and sees this as endorsement for his readiness to take military action against Iran.

• Israel steps up its programme of civil defence exercises, ostensibly aimed at improving Israel's preparedness to counter a future WMD threat or mass rocket attacks from south Lebanon and Gaza.

• Israel concludes successful ballistic missile defence exercise with US participation.

• Reduced Iranian cooperation with IAEA inspectors and public criticism of the IAEA's alleged bias.

• Iran accelerates transfer of uranium enrichment processes underground at Fardow.

• The EU imposes sanctions on the Central Bank and an oil embargo.

• Iran's air defence capability is enhanced by the planned supply of new radars or weaponry, most likely from Russia or North Korea, which would complicate Israeli strike planning.

• Non-routine US military deployments, including retention of two carrier groups in the Gulf at a scheduled handover time and activation of Diego Garcia air base.

• The Israeli government ceases public comment on the Iranian nuclear programme and the military strike option.



INDICATORS OF DECREASED RISK

• Further unexplained killings of Iranian nuclear scientists and defence procurement officials and 'accidents' at nuclear programme and ballistic missile-related sites. (But this would also have the likely consequence of provoking Iranian-sponsored asymmetric attack on an Israeli target.)

Which needless to say is rather scary. There also seems to have been an escalation of rhetoric in the news - accusations of murder plots, etc etc. So what do you think, will the US/Britain et al be at war with Iran this time next year?
 
Iran will piss off Iraq, again -but this time the USofA is "allied" with the "democracy" in Iraq, which will force us to go to war or have one of them so called conflicts.

Won't happen until the year after Obama leaves office, but it'll be blamed on him anyway.
 
This was sent to me by an advisory service:
Which advisory service?

Which needless to say is rather scary. There also seems to have been an escalation of rhetoric in the news - accusations of murder plots, etc etc. So what do you think, will the US/Britain et al be at war with Iran this time next year?

I think you could do a lot worse than carefully consider what a reputable advisory service does--and does not--say about it.

But then, I also think that the US and UK are already at war with Iran. It's just that the nature of warfare between modern nation states often allows people to pretend there is no war (for example, by engaging in semantic quibbles whereby war is defined to be any and all forms of conflict except for the specific forms of conflict found in the relationship being discussed).

ETA: And therefore I'm not voting in the poll because it lacks a "we're already at war" option.
 
ETA: And therefore I'm not voting in the poll because it lacks a "we're already at war" option.

It does feel like there has been a cold war in progress for a while doesn't it? The US and Iran has been fighting eachother by proxy so far.
 
It does feel like there has been a cold war in progress for a while doesn't it? The US and Iran has been fighting eachother by proxy so far.

Might depend how much linkage there is to support of terror organisations by the Iranian government
 
Which advisory service?

I think you could do a lot worse than carefully consider what a reputable advisory service does--and does not--say about it.

But then, I also think that the US and UK are already at war with Iran. It's just that the nature of warfare between modern nation states often allows people to pretend there is no war (for example, by engaging in semantic quibbles whereby war is defined to be any and all forms of conflict except for the specific forms of conflict found in the relationship being discussed).

ETA: And therefore I'm not voting in the poll because it lacks a "we're already at war" option.

A special political risk advisory service for insurance companies. I got it via an underwriter, who edited the source, so not sure which one.

Re your ETA: I see your point, but nonetheless I think there is a qualitative difference between being at war (even if it's not declared) and being in a "cold" or proxy war.
 
While I am sure that there will be all sorts of low-level conflicts with Iran in the next several years, I seriously doubt that there will be an actual war with Iran in the next several years.
 
Not really, as we're not at war with the Saudi's.

But we are not discussing the proposition of a proxy war with the Saudi's If the Iranians are engaging in a proxy war, they need to be arming someone who is opposed to the US.....make sense?
 
I reckon that IF they complete their nuclear program and make even one little nuke threat to Israel, the Israelis will send a bombing raid over there and take out the reactor (and any other affiliated buildings...etc) they might drop one on the presidential palace on the way out and that'll pretty much be the end of it.

Oh there will be saber rattling and lots of loud posturing. The USA will vocally announce that they denounce the actions of the Israeli's (while behind close doors high fiving them). But the rest of the middle east is in such political disarray that I don't see any seven days war type stuff happening. I think Iran is on it's own and in reality does not wanna eff with the Israeli's nor the USA in any sort of large scale combat.
 
This was sent to me by an advisory service:

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Which needless to say is rather scary. There also seems to have been an escalation of rhetoric in the news - accusations of murder plots, etc etc. So what do you think, will the US/Britain et al be at war with Iran this time next year?

Iran has a lot of diplomatic issues in the area already, especially with Pakistan. What makes you think they want to start a war with the US and the UK too?
 
• The EU imposes sanctions on the Central Bank and an oil embargo.

What does this part mean? If "the" Central Bank means Iran's central bank then your source is likely from Iran itself. You can see that by the focus on Israel throughout the "advisory".

It's a little similar to Iranian press releases like this:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/213243.html

Although some foreign ministers, especially Britain's William Hague, urged the union to take more strict measures against Iran, including the freezing of the European assets of the Central Bank of the Islamic Republic, the representatives of the EU member states were divided on the issue and failed to reach an agreement.

That's a topical story since the meeting was held earlier this month. The EU has no possible way of imposing sanctions on the central bank of a foreign country but it can freeze the assets of such an institution.

I think your source is actually the Iranian government.
 
I found the origin of this heavily edited "advisory" reported in many places on the internet about two weeks ago. Here's an example:

http://www.pakalertpress.com/2011/1...-strike-on-iran-has-tripled-barclays-capital/

The woman's name is misspelled. It's Helima Croft and not Helina Croft.

http://financial-advisors.findthebest.com/l/310637/Croft

When reports can't even get the author right then there's reason to be sceptical. This "advisory" is repeated on blogs throughout the web, including Alex Jones' Prison Planet, but I haven't found it on any major network or reliable news source.

EDIT: Here's the real report and it diverges on several point from the "advisory"

http://www.thegulfintelligence.com/...e_Perils_of_Iranian_Nuclear_Brinksmanship.pdf
 
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In The Sum of All Fears, they claimed the government tracked uranium and plutonium traces, ratios of this and that, and thus knew where every single bit, chunk, or residue from explosion came from, which batch from which country.

Was that real? It sounds reasonable, but gathering said data might be the tough part.


Why care about the case in Iran? People are saying that, while Iran would not be so stupid as to use one, they might "let" some get into the hands of terrorists. But if they are tracked, well, the US has long since issued to Russia and China that if their nukes are going to get into the hands of terrorists and blow up US cities, well...let's just say you'd better keep track of them quite well.
 
I think that they know what the isotopes signatures are and can tell from that where it was mined and/or developed. I think that all nuclear development is required to be monitored by the UN so that's probably where the isotope signature info comes from.
 
Iran has been fighting a war with Israel through their proxies (Hezbollah, Hamas, etc) for years. Curious the OP doesn't acknowledge this. The question should be "should other countries respond to Iran's acts of war?".
 
Might depend how much linkage there is to support of terror organisations by the Iranian government
They give hundreds of millions to Hams and Hizbollah, as well as traning and arming those groups. How much more linkage do you require?
 
They give hundreds of millions to Hams and Hizbollah, as well as traning and arming those groups. How much more linkage do you require?

Thats linkage to a proxy war between Israel and Iran.

The question is, what is the linkage to a proxy war with the US?
 

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