He wouldn't have "brought it to the table" if someone hadn't mentioned the book "Le livre noir du Communisme" in another thread.
He's not trying to have a debate, he's just reacting to something he felt attacked his ideology.
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100 million deaths due to capitalism in the 20th century.
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He wouldn't have "brought it to the table" if someone hadn't mentioned the book "Le livre noir du Communisme" in another thread.
He's not trying to have a debate, he's just reacting to something he felt attacked his ideology.
These deaths occurred under the sky. This is the real culprit. Down with the sky.
citizenzen
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Why start a thread if you don't actually want to debate the issue?
Maybe somebody could ask Doc.
timhau
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I'd just like to point out that none of those ladders were manufactured in Best Korea.
Alot of people start threads for no other reason than out of spite.
This is one of them.
You're not one of those pro-gravity guys are you?
Wolfman
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I'm sorry...but how exactly was WW II with Germany or Japan "by and large the economic environment where these deaths took place"? The war was started by Germany, a country that had already invaded other nations, set up terrible internment camps...and was not in any way a "capitalist" economy? Others didn't go to war because of Capitalism, they went to war because they were being threatened. Which is something that pretty much any nation would have done in the same situation, regardless of their economic system (as demonstrated by the fact that both Russia and China, Communist nations, also went to war). In the case of Japan, it is an even more untenable position, since the main countries it attacked (before attacking the U.S.) were entirely non-capitalist economies. And the largest number of people killed in WW II (in Russia and in China) were citizens of non-capitalist states, killed by non-capitalist aggressors. How does this represent a "largely capitalist environment"?
Saying that capitalism was the environment in which these things happened is meaningless, unless some causational link can be provided to demonstrate relevance. Otherwise, it is nothing more than a coincidence. I might as well argue that since the vast majority of those who fought in those wars drank milk, that therefore consumption of dairy products "was by and large the dietary environment in which these conflicts took place".
Also, I think that some people are confusing capitalist with democratic (a common confusion of terms). One can have a non-democratic capitalist state (China's pretty close to this now), and a democratic non-capitalist state (although I can't think of any concrete examples right now, it is theoretically possible). A great many of the wars we are talking about were issues of democracy vs. totalitarianism, not capitalism vs. totalitarianism. Canadians, for example, weren't fighting alongside their European allies in order to ensure everyone had a chance to make a buck; they were fighting to ensure their continued freedom.
citizenzen
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I'm trying to look more broadly than that.
But again, I'm not arguing capitalism causes anything.
It's probably relatively neutral in its effect on nations and societies when it comes to war and unrest.
People seem inclined to violence regardless of the economic system they live under.
So why was the OP uncomfortable? Sounds like you are back peddling.
Wolfman
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Well, I'd point out that wars between democratic nations are, if not non-existent, at least exceedingly rare.
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An ugly, hate filled and treasonous accusation that I invited BD to share with those he was accusing.
He unsurprisingly declined the invitation.
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I'd just like to thank Lionking for bringing some important questions about the so called "sky" to the table.
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timhau
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To get better numbers.
I'd say China is a very unusual hybrid that's hard to classify, but you have other examples, such as Singapore or post-Korean war ROC.
Some republics of Yugoslavia, especially in 1970s, might come close, but that's pretty much it. A state cannot severely restrict free enterprise and permit relatively easy changes to the system through free and fair elections and expect the state to last more than a few election cycles. This is simply because free enterprise is too effective for any alternative to be viable for an extended period of time.
Socialism, for example, can compete, if both are starting from a low economic base, for 5-20 years, depending on circumstances. Beyond that, free enterprise will win out. The two Koreas are a prime example.
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What about World War 1 or the Spanish-American War?
funk de fino
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Another drive by trolling to sucker them in..........
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100 million deaths due to capitalism in the 20th century.
Less than malaria or flu so capitalism is a bit of a crap disease if is one.
Less than malaria or flu so capitalism is a bit of a crap disease if is one.
Who is this 'we' again?
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BD created another troll thread and citizenzen had completely sidetracked and backpeddled pretty much the entirety of Wolfman's response...