Merged So there was melted steel

Sorry if I reiterate some points before but new to the forum.

I actually do have some experience with using thermite. In fact did a thermite reaction last week for my class.

From the selected bits of the thread I read it seems some people think thermite burns like a fuel. Keep adding bits of steel and the reaction keeps going. This is just foolish.

The thing with a thermite reaction is once is starts it reacts violently and quickly. Once all the reactants are used up Iron Oxide and Aluminium then it stops. The intense heat is solely down to the fact the energy release is so quick. However thermite produces no shock wave like traditional explosives. Commercial demolition use the shockwave to cut steel as a force effect, not a chemical reaction or melting process.

For this reason I see no reason why thermite would be the choice of demolition. Due to the nature of its burn heat is extremely localised (the heat doesn't have time to conduct along the beam).

Thermite also is extremely difficult to set off. You generally need a magnesium fuse to set it off, blast caps don't really do it. If you wanted to bring the building down then traditional explosives would be the way to do, like it is always done in commercial demos.

Melting steel would also be expected. Concrete is an excellent insulator, any burning materials would only need a constant flow of oxygen.

Concrete and rebar buildings do not collapse to form a homogenus mass, by their very nature they end up being made of fairly large pieces that do not stack but form a tangled mass of voids.

I was unlucky enough to be in the 2007 Peru earthquake (8.0) and have seen the results of such collapse. Generally building built from brick with no concrete and rebar collapse with little void, and hence led to many deaths in Pisco and Ica. The concrete and rebar structures allowed spaces for people to survive.

Air flow from below, plentiful fuel and insulated covering is pretty much a blast furnace. This is how steel is mad in the first place. I get the impression that some people believe that you have a magic fuel which you make a pile of, put a bucket of iron and carbon on it, light it and the iron melts. This is simply facetious and erroneous.

I would actually be extremely surprised if there wasn't any melted metals of all types. I would even venture an opinion that lack of melted metal would be more likely with conventional explosive which by their nature do not produce a great big hollywood fireball.

So the presence of melted steel means........ a great big building was hit by a jet plane and the fire got very hot. Sorry if it doesn't sound very conspiratorial.

Oh one thing that always did bother me, which I hope somebody could help because this might unearth the truth.... From the video footage the towers collapse from around the impact site. How did the NWO and the giant lizards manage to plant the magical mini thermite of doom at the correct place for the planes to hit?

I would have assumed the place to bring a 100 story building down would be a the bottom. Due to the floors below it would seem to be the best place to set the explosives simply from a secrecy point of view as well as a physics standpoint, but I admit I am not an expert on convertly bring down skyscrapers.
 
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For this reason I see no reason why thermite would be the choice of demolition. Due to the nature of its burn heat is extremely localised (the heat doesn't have time to conduct along the beam).

Welcome to the forums!

You'll find that truthers put the word "nano" in front of thermite, causing it to take on all manner of properties. Yes, they even say the thermite is "tailor made" - implying that this particular thermi...er... "Nano" thermite - can do pretty much whatever they want it to do, reality be damned.

Have fun!
 
Oh one thing that always did bother me, which I hope somebody could help because this might unearth the truth.... From the video footage the towers collapse from around the impact site. How did the NWO and the giant lizards manage to plant the magical mini thermite of doom at the correct place for the planes to hit?

Indeed. It has been suggested by some of the more idiotic truthers that there was a homing beacon forcing the aircraft into a specific spot.

I am not kidding.

How the explosives survived for an hour is anybody's guess. That's not in the truther manual of lies. They need to revise their book to reflect bull(bleep!) answers to some of these more basic questions. I'm sure they'll get around to it if you donate enough money!
 
Indeed. It has been suggested by some of the more idiotic truthers that there was a homing beacon forcing the aircraft into a specific spot.

That's a handy plot device for fiction I suppose, but how on earth could anybody really believe it? It is obviously a guidance system from a laser beam projected from a UFO.
 
That's a handy plot device for fiction I suppose, but how on earth could anybody really believe it? It is obviously a guidance system from a laser beam projected from a UFO.


I'm not entirely sure they do believe it. I think the ones that make up such clearly absurd theories just do so to keep the argument moving in circles. The level of BS artistry on display is truly amazing.

Why they can't just accept the fact that they could possibly be mistaken is beyond me. I don't think these people even believe what they're saying. They're just being contrary for the sake of doing so. I have no idea why they'd chose a national tragedy for a hobby. I mean,thousands of people died. Why 9/11? Why choose the single most well documented attack in history? The most closely scrutinized investigation? The tragedy with the most eye-witnesses? It's friggin stupid. And so are truthers. EVERY SINGLE ONE.
 
Nice to have you here, Montag. Funny how real world experience like yours never quite tallies with the way truthers think reality ought to behave.

Oh, and I'm a Bradbury fan too.

Dave
 
Can you point me to any structural and highrise fires that were "much more severe" than 9-11?

Well, there was that overpass that collapsed out here.

Not a very tall "building," but......a freeway overpass. That's gotta get some points just for being surprising.

And all it took was a car fire. Err...a tanker truck fire, that is.
 
Well, there was that overpass that collapsed out here.

Not a very tall "building," but......a freeway overpass. That's gotta get some points just for being surprising.

And all it took was a car fire. Err...a tanker truck fire, that is.

Another overpass collapsed near Detroit due to a tanker fire a couple of years ago.
 
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So you haven't found any witness references to molten aluminum in Ground Zero?

So when people say metal they meant steel. I guess you think that all metals are steel. You rock Ergo! :rolleyes::D
 
So when people say metal they meant steel. I guess you think that all metals are steel. You rock Ergo!

No, I don't think all metals are steel.

But nor is it credible for you to claim that all these people, including firefighters, engineers and other professionals are "mistaken" and should be ignored. This simply isn't credible.
 
No, I don't think all metals are steel.

But nor is it credible for you to claim that all these people, including firefighters, engineers and other professionals are "mistaken" and should be ignored. This simply isn't credible.

Isnt credible? So how do you explain all the reports in other fires when people report melted metal and melted steel?

Either its an inside job as well, or fire will regularly produce molten metals and steel.

So which is it?
 
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You have no way of knowing how correct or incorrect those reports are.

As I said to you...

Either its an inside job as well, or fire will regularly produce molten metals and steel.

WHICH IS IT?

And my references outnumber yours.


Sorry, no they do not. I only listed ones I could be bothered to.

Here let me help you...



I have e n d l e s s examples of these.
 
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