Merged So there was melted steel

ergo said:
Hm. Cars flattened into steel pancakes by 110 "collapsing" highrise storeys (according to your theory) nevertheless managing to burn and melt. Enough to form molten pools.

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Aluminum blocks and heads, intake manifolds, transmission housings, aluminum alloy wheels, I have seen melted pools of aluminum from car fires, zinc too.
 
ergo said:
Hm. Cars flattened into steel pancakes by 110 "collapsing" highrise storeys (according to your theory) nevertheless managing to burn and melt. Enough to form molten pools.

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Um, just because something is flat, doesn't negate it's ability to go through the organic process of burning.

Where do the Truthers get their education? Oh, nevermind....
 
A W Smith said:
Aluminum blocks and heads, intake manifolds, transmission housings, aluminum alloy wheels, I have seen melted pools of aluminum from car fires, zinc too.
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The two most common metals found after a car fire: Zinc and aluminum. Rims are typically aluminum alloys, and zinc is used in batteries, and portions of the car's unistructure. Yeah, not uncommon at all.

Oh, and magnesium. Used in the manifolds of car, trucks, and most heavy equipment. It's also used in.....superchargers.

Yeah, I wonder what it could possibly be from......
 
ergo said:
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What dominant elements of the towers' structures or their furnishings would comprise significant amounts of these metals, enough to form molten pools in the debris pile?
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Copper, don't forget copper. I have had molten copper in my car. You have no clue what was in the WTC. Good for you, no need to study up on facts, since you prefer dumbed down lies and delusions.

Tons of aluminum, tons of lead. Why are you unable to do basic rational research? Is that moon sized pile of debris in the way?

I have over 100 pounds of lead in my house, the WTC towers would have over 20 TONS, maybe 2,000 Tons of lead, or more.
I have over 100 pounds of copper in my house, the WTC towers could have over 2,000 tons of copper.
Do you try to think for yourself? Can you do anything besides post nonsense, lies and delusions?
 
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ergo said:
Have you really? Cars melted into pools of aluminum? There must be some pictures of this somewhere on the internet, right?
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Only if the entire car is Al. What is the cost of steel vs Al? Any clue on this one? No

... here is a photo of a car melted, like the metals that melted at the WTC.
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Steel did not melt, Al did melt. Just like the WTC, but you will never comprehend science and physics as you believe and spread delusional lies from the moon size debris pile of lies you have.
 
ergo said:
How do you know they're wrong? Did you investigate?
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If they're not wrong, then that makes the presence of molten steel in the WTC debris pile unremarkable. If they are wrong, then that means Voorsanger may also be incorrect.
 
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Without seeing the car, would you be able to identify this "little river" of metal as aluminium?

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GlennB said:
Without seeing the car, would you be able to identify this "little river" of metal as aluminium?
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In greyscale, I would be hesitant to say, but its silvery appearance certainly looks like aluminum.

Have you seen or read any testimonies of molten aluminum at Ground Zero? I haven't.
 
Miragememories said:
Well this was quite severe.

The Windsor Building Fire
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/spain_fire_2005.html

Of course you know all about this so I am surprised you are asking twinstead?

MM
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Not even close. The Windsor Building was totaled by fire and no aircraft hit it. Thus the heat energy equal to 315 tons of TNT (from jet fuel) did not start the fires on multiple floor. Plus the Windsor building fire was fought. Plus the Windsor building had a concrete core, why it did not fall. Notice the steel only sections fell in a an hour or two. oops, you provided evidence to confirm fire alone did the WTC towers and 7. Big failure, lot of ignorance, like the entire 911 truth movement; eternal failure.

The WTC tower fires were 10 times worse then the Windsor building, but with the sun being up, the photos tricked you and you fell for it. Night time pictures of fire fool you! Sad you fell for the night time fire photo scam, you are gullible! Big time.

Guess what fire did to the Windsor building? Totaled it! Guess what fire did the WTC complex? Totaled it. Where is your logic skills when you need them?
 
ergo said:
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What dominant elements of the towers' structures or their furnishings would comprise significant amounts of these metals, enough to form molten pools in the debris pile?
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Aluminum for one. Copper (melt 1981F, 1083C) electrical and motor wiring and copper water, AC piping another.
Aluminum - 30 tons of aluminum from each plane that burned at impact plus approx. 236 columns aluminum covers x 110 floors (12’ high) x 100 lbs each = 1,300 tons of aluminum covers= 1,330 tons minimum of aluminum = 2,660,000 pounds of aluminum per tower (not counting other sources of aluminum such as glass interior framing, aluminum door frames, furniture) exposed to melting temperatures (melt 1220F, 660 C) in the pile and at the original impact site, as well as plastic (PVC piping carpets , computers, landscape furniture panels (melt 400F, 204C)) would have melted when exposed to fire.

There is fairly broad agreement in the fire science community that flashover is reached when the average upper gas temperature in the room exceeds about 600°C. Prior to that point, no generalizations should be made: There will be zones of 900°C flame temperatures, but wide spatial variations will be seen. Of interest, however, is the peak fire temperature normally associated with room fires. The peak value is governed by ventilation and fuel supply characteristics [12] and so such values will form a wide frequency distribution. Of interest is the maximum value which is fairly regularly found. This value turns out to be around 1200°C
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http://www.doctorfire.com/flametmp.html
 
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ergo said:
In greyscale, I would be hesitant to say, but its silvery appearance certainly looks like aluminum.

Have you seen or read any testimonies of molten aluminum at Ground Zero? I haven't.
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LOL what a BS debater you are. Your goal is to keep the argument going, not finding a solution.
 
twinstead said:
Ah, that's the fire where the structural steel failed and collapsed because of the heat. Good thing that was impossible at the WTC, huh? What exactly makes it MORE severe than the WTC fires, by the way?
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Well since you and I appear to have different ideas about what constitutes a "severe" fire, it might help if you explain your criteria.

MM
 
triforcharity said:
Pick any one of the many different metals that would melt below 1800 deg. F, that would have been found in the WTC, and there is your answer.

Pick one. Doesn't matter which one it is.
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This "little river" of his was in the basement levels, right?

Where hundreds of cars are parked? Cars aren't made of metal I guess....


Why do twoofers constantly conjure up the most unlikely of things, and totally bypass the benign?
 
ergo said:
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What dominant elements of the towers' structures or their furnishings would comprise significant amounts of these metals, enough to form molten pools in the debris pile?
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Whatever happened to these solidified pools? Did the clean-up workers cover them up?

Strange none were documented as found, huh?
 
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