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This thread is ridiculous. How any of you can stomach debating somebody who's sole defense of his position is that any evidence that doesn't support it was faked is beyond me.
 
And Mr Caution, I am sure that I am not the only one to admire the way you, like a nimble ballerina, delicately tip-toe around the problem that you have two provocations, 6 weeks apart.

Both taking place at the corner of Szklana and Wielka streets. The only difference is the first appears in German documentation, the second in your beloved Ghetto diaries.
 
little grey rabbit said:
And Mr Caution, I am sure that I am not the only one to admire the way you, like a nimble ballerina, delicately tip-toe around the problem that you have two provocations, 6 weeks apart.

Both taking place at the corner of Szklana and Wielka streets. The only difference is the first appears in German documentation, the second in your beloved Ghetto diaries.
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Uh, no, the second provocation appears in Hingst's announcement, which I believe is a German document. And the result is referenced in Jaeger, another German document. And the first is referenced obliquely in my beloved diaries. There is nothing to tiptoe around. Except your apparently changed dating for the July action . . . ?
 
Still both on the corners of Szklana and Wielka

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Uh, no, the second provocation appears in Hingst's announcement, which I believe is a German document. And the result is referenced in Jaeger, another German document. And the first is referenced obliquely in my beloved diaries. There is nothing to tiptoe around. Except your apparently changed dating for the July action . . . ?
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And you blame me for that!!!????!!!!! I genuinely believed your beloved Jewish writers were honest! How was I to guess the extend of their deceitfulness!!!
 
twinstead said:
This thread is ridiculous. How any of you can stomach debating somebody who's sole defense of his position is that any evidence that doesn't support it was faked is beyond me.
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Even worse, he's openly trolling:

little grey rabbit said:
I don't really mind one way or the other. But on a personal note, it will be a very sad day indeed when I can't get people online hopping mad by saying "The Illuminati did it" or tell them about the One True Crematorium at Birkenau
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little grey rabbit said:
Well, I believe I can get people hopping mad.
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I do appreciate the non-deniers in this thread, tho. Learned a lot.
 
little grey rabbit said:
Still both on the corners of Szklana and Wielka!!!
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Really? According to your remembrance page, the facts on which are completely screwed up, as you well know. A remembrance page! This is your source. Get serious. You know as well that the German source for the July provocation and shooting action speaks of a shooting on a police building, not a shooting of a single soldier in an intersection. I don't know the location of the SD building in Vilna in July offhand. If you do, please don't hold back. A total waste of your time trying to pass this crap off.

Some friendly advice: You aren't making any sense, you seem in pure negationist mode, hopping from this to that to defend some inner truth you refuse to share.

You now have introduced this ridiculous "source" recalling a shooting of a soldier in July which clashes with a German report about a firing on a police building in July. You don't even register the discrepancy because what you are interested in is trolling - and you will use anything for that purpose. Why don't you tell us what you think this means instead of this random hopping about? Give us your scenario, if you have one.

A last point: You seem to find it suspicious that the Germans in Vilna would have staged 2 bogus provocations. The friggin' war began with a staged bogus provocation! I would offer that the Germans were expert at staged bogus provocations and liked using what they felt worked for them. But whether the first provocation took place where you now claim, I don't trust a source riddled with inaccuracy from many, many years after the war: I will stick with Ditfurth and OSR 24. Except that these are not my beloved Jewish writers, are they?
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And you blame me for that!!!????!!!!! I genuinely believed your beloved Jewish writers were honest! How was I to guess the extend of their deceitfulness
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Again, your descent into cryptic trolling loses me. I have no idea what you're going on about. I have stated my view on Kruk, and you know my views on the July and September actions - if you have an argument to make (more unsolicitied advice) stop with the games and lay it out.

Let it be noted that, not once but twice within two posts you find a need to use mocking language for Jewish writers, and my use of them as sources; well, their records in diaries, day books, and journals help establish the events and also the personal side of the events, much as my beloved Sakowicz does in his journal, only since Sakowicz isn't Jewish he doesn't get the mockery, does he? Your biases are showing and they are ugly to the core.
 
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Wroclaw said:
Wow, Bunny's really hitting rock bottom here...
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BTW, what happened to 9/11 investigator, was he banned, got bored?
 
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Saggy said:
He's trying to address you on your own level.

BTW, what happened to 9/11 investigator, was he banned, got bored?
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He got banned but nothing to do with this thread, or the other WW2 thread he had going
 
twinstead said:
This thread is ridiculous. How any of you can stomach debating somebody who's sole defense of his position is that any evidence that doesn't support it was faked is beyond me.
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It is ridiculous, but you've debated less loathsome conspiracists enough to know that they don't do it for the benefit of these repulsive trolls; they do it for the benefit of the uninformed who might stumble across this [rule10] and wonder whether there might actually be any truth to it. Also they don't want to stand idly by while said trolls [rule10] on the graves of the victims.
 
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He's trying to address you on your own level.
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Really? Is that what he is trying to do? Well, if he really is trying to do as you say, he is failing on every level - and resorting to gutter tactics (e.g., introducing documents without references, distorting what people write, using his usual double standards, making claims without explanation or evidence for them, trying to deceive readers, making his usual snide comments about Jews, etc.). Why is that?
 
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Robrob said:
Circular reasoning: any document will be called false and any lack of a document will be pointed out as "evidence of the conspiracy."

It's easy when they get to invent their own reality.
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Of course we don't get to invent our own reality. We don't say every document is false nor do we say that any lack of document is evidence of a conspiracy. But that wouldn't be circular reasoning if we did.

An example of circular reasoning is: Why does Saggy deny the holocaust? Because he hates Jews. How do we know he hates Jews? Because he denies the holocaust.........
 
Dogzilla said:
Of course we don't get to invent our own reality. We don't say every document is false nor do we say that any lack of document is evidence of a conspiracy. But that wouldn't be circular reasoning if we did.

An example of circular reasoning is: Why does Saggy deny the holocaust? Because he hates Jews. How do we know he hates Jews? Because he denies the holocaust.........
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The standard you use for deciding which documents to declare false is how uncomfortable they are to your arguments. This poster, twinstead, cogently wondered, "How any of you can stomach debating somebody who's sole defense of his position is that any evidence that doesn't support it was faked is beyond me." What you manifestly do not use, to judge the authenticity of documents, is evidence about the documents themselves, including testimony or other evidence that would explain how, when, why, and by whom they were forged or tampered with. One of you went so far, in trying to deny damning material in a document, to insist the document in question was 600km from where it manifestly was - according to information in the document itself as well as witnesses. This one of you tried to twist words in the document, taken out of context and referring to different material, to bolster his lies about the document. No, that is not circular reasoning: it is an attempt to deceive and hoodwink. And it is all recorded in this thread.
 
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Dogzilla said:
Of course we don't get to invent our own reality. We don't say every document is false nor do we say that any lack of document is evidence of a conspiracy. But that wouldn't be circular reasoning if we did.

An example of circular reasoning is: Why does Saggy deny the holocaust? Because he hates Jews. How do we know he hates Jews? Because he denies the holocaust.........
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That would be circular only if we weren't able to point to evidence of Saggy's beliefs on matters other than the Holocaust. As the following post indicates

The Jews, as a result of the holohoax, have created a state, have ethnically cleansed Palestine, have extorted trillions in aid from the west in an ongoing scam, and have used the hoax to excuse endless crimes in the middle east.

The Jews have claimed victimhood status in every society they've occupied. There is nothing new about that, but the magnitude and utter depravity of the holohoax is unique, unprecedented.
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this is not the case.

Chicken-and-egg dilemmas (does Saggy deny the Holocaust because he holds delusory views about Jews, or does he hold delusory views about Jews because he denies the Holocaust) aren't strictly speaking, circular arguments.
 
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