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JFK Conspiracy Theories: It Never Ends

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HSienzant said:
Robert Prey said:
kookbreaker said:
BS. The fingerprints on the trigger guard were photographed by Lt. Day on the day of the assassination and appear in the WC volumes of evidence. Years later, first-generation photos of those prints were examined by Vincent Scalise - a recognized expert on fingerprints - and it was his opinion they were Lee Harvey Oswald's print.

On the trigger guard.

On the afternoon of the assassination.

Live with it.
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And even if so, that proves what?
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HSienzant said:
And remember she has two daughters that would prefer not to be known as daughters of a presidential assassin. Her actions in many ways during those years is entirely understandable. But as you say, she still to this day says she took those photos and stands by her original testimony as it appears in the Warren Commission volumes of evidence.
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Nonsense. She claimed she took backyard photos, but not the ones in evidence.
 
HSienzant said:
That's a bizarre formulation.

You're saying the conspirators had legit photos of Oswald, taken by Marina, holding a rifle in that backyard, and for some reason (too much time on their hands and an unlimited budget, perhaps?) they destroyed the legit ones and went to all the trouble to substitute fake ones?

Do you even begin to think about the implications of some of your conjectures?

It appears not.

Of course, the other interpretation - that Marina, 20 or more years after the event - introduced this change in her story simply because she simply mis-remembered where she was standing at the time and this means the photos in evidence have always been the ones she took (and that Oswald signed the back of one), isn't to your liking, because it implicates Oswald as owning the rifle and being a leftist.

So of course you will seize upon any other interpretation, no matter how bizarre.

That is not the correct way to solve a crime.

Hank
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The question at hand is not whether there was a crime, or that somebody shot at Kennedy. The question is, was it a conspiracy? A sub question might be was LHO involved, and there is considerable doubt about that. But even if he was, there is a mountain of evidence for others involved. Coming late to the forum, I suggest you read up on what you have missed.
 
HSienzant said:
Of course, the more interesting thing is that RFK recommended NK to LBJ for the Attorney General position when RFK resigned. So RP is accusing RFK of recommending one supposed co-conspirator to another.
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All of this is an invention of Walter and now you as well. I never made any mention of who NK worked for as it is irrelevant to the memo in question. This is an example of how Walter makes up stuff, and then asks for clarification. And you fell for it.
 
Robert Prey said:
The question at hand is not whether there was a crime, or that somebody shot at Kennedy. The question is, was it a conspiracy? A sub question might be was LHO involved, and there is considerable doubt about that. But even if he was, there is a mountain of evidence for others involved. Coming late to the forum, I suggest you read up on what you have missed.
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Actually the question at hand was why would they destriy genuine pitures of LHO with his rifle and substitute fake photos of LHO with the same rifle. We can tell that is the question at hand as it is the one you quoted.
 
Robert Prey said:
All of this is an invention of Walter and now you as well. I never made any mention of who NK worked for as it is irrelevant to the memo in question. This is an example of how Walter makes up stuff, and then asks for clarification. And you fell for it.
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Robert, the only person making stuff up on this thread is yourself. Let's look up the tangled history of this "who NK worked for" question, shall we?

Robert Prey said:
I cited a statement of a man who worked for the man who formed the Warren Commission and was/is a prime suspect and even named by some of the perps including E. Howard Hunt and by inference, Jack Ruby.
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Walter Ego said:
I'll probably regret this but who is this man twice removed from the Warren Commission who was fingered by E. Howard Hunt as a suspect in the conspiracy to kill JFK? Katzenbach? Wesley Liebeler? You don't say... The man who "formed" the WC was LBJ. Is it Bill Moyers? Jack Valenti? Both worked for Johnson. Or do you think Katzenback "formed" the WC?
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Robert Prey said:
One question at a time, please. I don't understand the first one. As to the 2nd, of course, LBJ formed the WC and LBJ is named by perp Hunt and by inference Ruby as Numero Uno in the conspiracy.
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Walter Ego said:
My first question was very simple assuming you can understand what you yourself wrote... We agree that LBJ formed the WC. Correct? Who was the man you cited who worked for LBJ?
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Robert Prey said:
A ridiculous question.
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Robert Prey said:
And if you are asking who NK worked for , that's a ridiculous question. Answer it yourself.
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All this confusion is the result of your repeated inability to remember what you yourself have posted and your inability to understand and answer simple questions. Please don't excuse your mental deficiencies by accusing other people of "making stuff up."

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Robert Prey said:
"The public must be satisfied that Oswald was the assassin; that he did not have confederates who are still at large; and that the evidence was such that he would have been convicted at trial."
Nov. 25, 1963

Attorney General Nicholas Katzenbach

Sound like an open minded search for the truth?
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Robert Prey said:
I cited a statement of a man who worked for the man who formed the Warren Commission and was/is a prime suspect and even named by some of the perps including E. Howard Hunt and by inference, Jack Ruby.
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It is obvious here that " man who worked for the man who formed the Warren Commission" Robert cited was Katzenbach who was not of course LBJ's attorney general at the time he uttered that out of context quote that Robert cherry-picked. Why Robert did not say that in the first place is beyond me.

I have given Robert every benefit of the doubt on this thread but the only conclusion I can come to at this point is that the man is working with a disordered mind.
 
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Walter Ego said:
Robert, the only person making stuff up on this thread is yourself. Let's look up the tangled history of this "who NK worked for" question, shall we?








All this confusion is the result of your repeated inability to remember what you yourself have posted and your inability to understand and answer simple questions. Please don't excuse your mental deficiencies by accusing other people of "making stuff up."

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It is obvious here that " man who worked for the man who formed the Warren Commission" Robert cited was Katzenbach who was not of course LBJ's attorney general at the time he uttered that out of context quote that Robert cherry-picked. Why Robert did not say that in the first place is beyond me.

I have given Robert every benefit of the doubt on this thread but the only conclusion I can come to at this point is that the man is working with a disordered mind.
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After JFK's death, everyone in the Federal govenment "worked for" the man who took his place: LBJ. Obviously.
 
Tomtomkent said:
Robert Prey said:
HSienzant said:
That LHO held the rifle that shot three rounds from the TBSD, which were the only shots proven to be fired on that day, from a trajectory that is coherent with the fatal wounds to JFK. Especially the ones in those nice photos of his corpse YOU posted, that show an exit wound that is NOT on the back of the head.
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Fingerprints that only Vincent Scalise could see, weeks old, according to FBI and not identifiable, do not point to anything but Lone Nutter desperation to deny they've been duped and brainwashed for half a century.
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Tomtomkent said:
Actually the question at hand was why would they destriy genuine pitures of LHO with his rifle and substitute fake photos of LHO with the same rifle. We can tell that is the question at hand as it is the one you quoted.
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There are a whole lot of "whys" in regard to the b/y photos. Why did the DPD not find any in the Paine Garage on Nov. 22nd but did on the 23d? And why were there photos of the Neely Backyard in the hands of FBI hired photo processers the night of the 22nd, only to miraculously find the pics in the Paine garage the next day. And why was there a never discovered till 1995 photo of Oswald's "ghost" in that Neely backyard in a DPD evidence locker? A whole lot of "whys" Lone Nutters prefer to ignore.
 
Robert Prey said:
There are a whole lot of "whys" in regard to the b/y photos. Why did the DPD not find any in the Paine Garage on Nov. 22nd but did on the 23d? And why were there photos of the Neely Backyard in the hands of FBI hired photo processers the night of the 22nd, only to miraculously find the pics in the Paine garage the next day. And why was there a never discovered till 1995 photo of Oswald's "ghost" in that Neely backyard in a DPD evidence locker? A whole lot of "whys" Lone Nutters prefer to ignore.
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None of which are relevant to the question asked. The one you are still ignoring.
 
Robert Prey said:
After JFK's death, everyone in the Federal govenment "worked for" the man who took his place: LBJ. Obviously.
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So it wasnt a misquote or made up by Walter?

Ok, feel free to retract your accusation and appologise. Now you have admitted you were wrong and all...
 
EventHorizon said:
Is it normal for those who have been as obviously brainwashed as Robert to accuse others of being brainwashed?
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Apparently if we don't believe every kooky accusation made about material evidence in every damned book, we are brainwashed. Rather than accepting the possibility we read that bilge and thought "nope that is not what the evidence shows".

See also his mental gymnastics to avoid conceding the possibility that the poor woman could also have been telling thr truth when she admitted taking THOSE photos of LHO in the garden, that the material evidence does not support second shooters, etc. We apparently are not meant to notice when his own evidence contradicts him, and accept that even the most dubious "evidence" in his favour MUST be true because, er, he doesn't like authority figures.

If he had a grain of respect left from anybody who tried to engage him in a grown up conversation they would expect him to laugh at the irony. Unfortunately...
 
Autopsy Photos

Robert Prey said:
The Fatal Bullet from the Grassy Knoll​

For some reason, the Warren Commission did not want to actually see the autopsy photos or x-rays, perhaps because they might conflict with their pre-determined script, but instead relied on drawings by H.A. Rydberg, under the direction of autopsy doctors Humes and Boswell...

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Hi Robert,

The reason is well known. Earl Warren himself said the intent was to publish everything the Warren Commissioners saw, and he felt if they saw the autopsy photos, they should publish them. They felt they were too gory to publish, so Warren made the decision not to have the Commissioners view them.

They also felt the testimony of the autopsy doctors - as the experts - would be more than sufficient, since, as laymen, the commissioners would have to get the photos interpreted for them in any case.

Hank
 
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