JFK Conspiracy Theories: It Never Ends

[Walter Ego]

It's like you live in bizarro world. Everything you think is exactly the opposite of the way it actually is.

This is why kooks are such a valuable resource. If you want to know what position to take on an issue, look at what the kooks are promoting as a good indicator of what not to believe.

 

[GregHouseMD]

Yeah, right. And the statement is, this is how a shadow is supposed to look, un-forged or tampered with. It has nothing whatever to do with that other Guy you seem to be channeling. A completely off topic Red Herring.

Robert, did you take the photo of the man holding the stick?

You won't answer that question probably but I don't think you did. You probably were not present when it was taken either.

If it was taken with a film camera, where you there when it was developed?

Without being directly involved in the taking posing or developement of the photo, how can you say it was not tampered with?

You found it on a website somewhere and since it supports what you believe then how accurate it is becomes vey unimportant to you.

At least IMO.

Now, tell us who took the photo, how it was processed and by whom because that is very important information and is DIRECTLY on point.

ETA: regardless of who took the photo, it does NOT support the theory you are claiming it does. The man appears larger than LHO, there is not info as to where on earth the photo weas taken, it DOES matter BTW. The time of day, the direction the man is facing, the length of the stick, the position of the camera realitive to the man holding it, the height of the camera...all this and more will affect how close it would be to duplicating the LHO photo.

 

[Robert Prey]

Robert, did you take the photo of the man holding the stick?

You won't answer that question probably but I don't think you did. You probably were not present when it was taken either.

If it was taken with a film camera, where you there when it was developed?

Without being directly involved in the taking posing or developement of the photo, how can you say it was not tampered with?

You found it on a website somewhere and since it supports what you believe then how accurate it is becomes vey unimportant to you.

At least IMO.

Now, tell us who took the photo, how it was processed and by whom because that is very important information and is DIRECTLY on point.

ETA: regardless of who took the photo, it does NOT support the theory you are claiming it does. The man appears larger than LHO, there is not info as to where on earth the photo weas taken, it DOES matter BTW. The time of day, the direction the man is facing, the length of the stick, the position of the camera realitive to the man holding it, the height of the camera...all this and more will affect how close it would be to duplicating the LHO photo.

All anybody needs to know is that by observing the refracted shadows of the two figures, they are virtually identical, but the rifle, as versus the stick are very different.

 

[Robert Prey]

With that picture, he seems to have proven that a shadow of a long object can be oriented to produce a shadow that's not at 90 degrees (to the person's shadow). He doesn't seem to grasp that this is different from proving that a shadow could not possibly be at 90 degrees.

But then basic logic doesn't seem to be Robert's strong suit.

But the proving of a negative to a deep thinker like you is perfect logic.

 

[Tomtomkent]

All anybody needs to know is that by observing the refracted shadows of the two figures, they are virtually identical, but the rifle, as versus the stick are very different.

Could that possibly because the rifle is held in a completely different plane to the stick?

The photo is not "virtually identical" it has been fundamentally invalidated.

 

[RoboTimbo]

All anybody needs to know is that by observing the refracted shadows of the two figures, they are virtually identical, but the rifle, as versus the stick are very different.

Are you still defending the doofus who posed wrong in that picture of yours that everyone has been pointing and laughing at?

Bang!

 

[Tomtomkent]

But the proving of a negative to a deep thinker like you is perfect logic.

Apparently, as you claim the shadows are impossible, and intend to prove so, you have no issue with proving a negative.


Why is the model in photo twisting himself the wrong way and holding the rifle analogue away from instead of towards the camera? Is possition in reference to light source a. Factor in shadows?

Could it possibly be that replicating the scene accurately (as others have already demonstrated) proves the "impossible" shadows possible?


Do you not have an accurate photo that fails to replicate the impossible shadow? Oh dear....

 

[GregHouseMD]

All anybody needs to know is that by observing the refracted shadows of the two figures, they are virtually identical, but the rifle, as versus the stick are very different.

No Robert, the photo is of unknown origion. You cannot tell us when it was taken or any of the pertinent details that I listed not to mention the ones I missed.

The shadows of the rifle and the stick differ because the stick is not held in the same relative position to the man's body as the rifle is held by LHO.

It's bad science, it does not prove anything. But keep claiming it is proof, I mean, how much more damage can you do to your so called credibility?

 

[catsmate]

Your model was standing in the wrong possition holding the rifle wrong because of sour grapes?

Stomach ache due to over indulging in said fruit?

 

[Walter Ego]

Robert, did you take the photo of the man holding the stick?

You won't answer that question probably but I don't think you did. You probably were not present when it was taken either.

If it was taken with a film camera, where you there when it was developed?

Without being directly involved in the taking posing or developement of the photo, how can you say it was not tampered with?

You found it on a website somewhere and since it supports what you believe then how accurate it is becomes vey unimportant to you.

The URL indicates it was uploaded from Robert's computer to JREF.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_526994ee3fd91a4e53.jpg

Where it came from originally is anyone's guess. My only question is why was it necessary to cover the face of the goof holding the broomstick with that superimposed V-Mask? I have my own theory about that one.

 

[RoboTimbo]

My only question is why was it necessary to cover the face of the goof holding the broomstick with that superimposed V-Mask? I have my own theory about that one.

The idiot who posed for such a dishonest picture would never want his lying face to be known.

Obviously.

 

[EventHorizon]

Thanks!

 

[Walter Ego]

The idiot who posed for such a dishonest picture would never want his lying face to be known.

Especially if his name is Robert Prey.

Looks impressive. The guy appears to have achieved the impossible. But do you believe in Magic? Each time the guy moves the angle of the pipe from 11 o'clock to 10 o'clock when showing the 90 degree shadow, which does not quite make it to 90 degrees. Nonetheless, an impressive trick. I tried, but couldn't do it even cheating. The big log is just another magicians prop, being sufficiently curved to achieve the intended shadow.
But nice try.

 

[RoboTimbo]

The idiot who posed for such a dishonest picture would never want his lying face to be known.

Especially if his name is Robert Prey.

I tried, but couldn't do it even cheating. The big log is just another magicians prop, being sufficiently curved to achieve the intended shadow.
But nice try.

I didn't take that to mean that he took a picture of himself doing it. I would never have said those things if I thought Robert was the Loon & Whacktard in the picture.

Obviously.

 

[Walter Ego]

I didn't take that to mean that he took a picture of himself doing it. I would never have said those things if I thought Robert was the Loon & Whacktard in the picture.

Well, he could clear this up by telling us where the picture came from... but I predict he won't. My theory is that Robert took the picture and the goof with the broomstick is one of Rob's buds who got that half a beer you mentioned for posing.

 

[Robrob]

That he thinks a broomstick pointing away from the light source will make the same shadow as a rifle pointing toward the light source tells us a lot about his deductive capacity.

 

[Robert Prey]

Robert, did you take the photo of the man holding the stick?

You won't answer that question probably but I don't think you did. You probably were not present when it was taken either.

If it was taken with a film camera, where you there when it was developed?

Without being directly involved in the taking posing or developement of the photo, how can you say it was not tampered with?

You found it on a website somewhere and since it supports what you believe then how accurate it is becomes vey unimportant to you.

At least IMO.

Now, tell us who took the photo, how it was processed and by whom because that is very important information and is DIRECTLY on point.

ETA: regardless of who took the photo, it does NOT support the theory you are claiming it does. The man appears larger than LHO, there is not info as to where on earth the photo weas taken, it DOES matter BTW. The time of day, the direction the man is facing, the length of the stick, the position of the camera realitive to the man holding it, the height of the camera...all this and more will affect how close it would be to duplicating the LHO photo.

Since you have already predictably judged the issue, there is no need to provide any additional info. The accuracy of the pic speaks for itself. Nonetheless your mind is made up, and you and your Amen Chorus of Deep Thinkers will not be confused by facts.

 

[Tomtomkent]

Since you have already predictably judged the issue, there is no need to provide any additional info. The accuracy of the pic speaks for itself. Nonetheless your mind is made up, and you and your Amen Chorus of Deep Thinkers will not be confused by facts.

Like the fact the rifle is not being held the same way?

 

[RoboTimbo]

Since you have already predictably judged the issue, there is no need to provide any additional info. The accuracy of the pic speaks for itself. Nonetheless your mind is made up, and you and your Amen Chorus of Deep Thinkers will not be confused by facts.

Robert, why is Half a Beer Boy posing differently and holding the rifle analog differently than LHO? Is he lying, simply mistaken, or just a big doofus?

 

[Walter Ego]

Robert, why is Half a Beer Boy posing differently and holding the rifle analog differently than LHO? Is he lying, simply mistaken, or just a big doofus?

How do we even know the picture was taken to disprove the shadow angles in one of the Oswald backyard photos? Robert won't tell us where he got it. It could just be a picture of a doofus holding a broomstick in a parking lot that he found on the internet.