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My anecdotal claims

Limbo said:
Well first would be the UFO. It was about 20 years ago and I was walking home late one night with a friend when we stopped for a rest. Suddenly it flew low right over our heads. A massive and silent UFO going incredibly fast. It performed some fancy maneuvers and then shot straight up into space. It kept going and going until it disappeared.
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Please describe the wind level and temperature as it moved and did the tricks right over you.
 
Limbo said:
Thank ye, bro.

Then there was the time when I was camping I was swallowed up by the mountain. God was there. When he grabbed me I became a finger on his hand. Then I became him. Then me again. It was quite a rush.

Then the Goddess helped me out of the mountain. I had a hell of a time finding my way back to camp in my underwear.
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Which finger?
 
Limbo said:
Third, God is real. But he isn't like George Burns
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For every theist who claims their god wants, hopes, values, loves or has any other intentional characteristic, their god is like George Burns in the respect the movie you alluded to intended. They made a point in that movie about saying the George Burns appearance was just for the convenience of the John Denver character.

If your god is not personal, it's just a semantic game.
 
Limbo said:
Thank ye, bro.

Then there was the time when I was camping I was swallowed up by the mountain. God was there. When he grabbed me I became a finger on his hand. Then I became him. Then me again. It was quite a rush.

Then the Goddess helped me out of the mountain. I had a hell of a time finding my way back to camp in my underwear.
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Spill the wine and take that pearl!
 
Limbo said:
... I met God and communicated telepathically. I was taken to higher levels of reality and saw our connections. It was cool. It blew my mind. The end.
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Restrict yourself to telepathic cummunications... we'll appreciate the relief.
 
the PC apeman said:
Spill the wine and take that pearl!
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..and I was just getting ready to "correct " you on these lyrics, when I discover that I've been singing it wrong for decades...

I always thought it was, "Spill the wine, dig that girl."


How embarrassing...
 
Limbo said:
...I know that my anecdotes are supported by a large body of evidence that quite frankly most skeptics are unfamiliar with.
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...oh, I see..."if" we were only better informed we all would accept garbage as real...

Has anyone ever accepted that argument, or do they just laugh?


In short I'm like a Buddha...
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Your obese-ness is irrlevant.

I'm here to help not to troll or to make money.
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When you expect us to blindly accept your "stories" as REAL, then you are trolling.
 
R.A.F. said:
..and I was just getting ready to "correct " you on these lyrics, when I discover that I've been singing it wrong for decades...

I always thought it was, "Spill the wine, dig that girl."


How embarrassing...
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Spill the Wine Lyrics
Artist(Band):War

I was once out strolling one very hot summer's day
When I thought I'd lay myself down to rest in a big field of tall grass.
I lay there in the sun and felt it caressing my face.
As I fell asleep and dreamed,
I dreamed I was in a Hollywood movie,
And that I was the star of the movie.
This really blew my mind,
The fact that me, an overfed, long-haired, leaping gnome,
Should be the star of a Hollywood movie...Hmm
But there I was...Mmm

I was taken to a place, the hall of the mountain kings.
I stood high upon a mountain top, naked to the world,
In front of every kind of girl...
There was long ones, tall ones, short ones,
Brown ones, black ones, round ones, big ones, crazy ones...
Out of the middle, came a lady,
She whispered in my ear something crazy,
She said...

CHORUS:
"Spill the wine and take that girl,
Spill the wine and take that pearl,
Spill the wine and take that girl,
Spill the wine and take that pearl,"

I thought to myself,
"What could that mean?
Am I going crazy...
or is this just a dream?
Now wait a minute; I know I'm lying in a field of grass somewhere,
so it's all in my head."
And then...
I heard her say one more time...

(CHORUS)

I could feel hot flames of fire roaring at my back
As she disappeared, but soon she returned.
In her hand was a bottle of wine, in the other, a glass.
She poured some of the wine from the bottle into the glass,
And raised it to her lips,
And just before she drank it, she said...

"Take the wine and take that girl,
Spill the wine and take that girl,
Spill the wine and take that girl,
Spill the wine and take that girl."

"Take that girl...Yeah!
It's all yours; you gotta do it.
Spill that wine.
Spill that wine..."
 
Limbo said:
Thank ye, bro.

Then there was the time when I was camping I was swallowed up by the mountain. God was there. When he grabbed me I became a finger on his hand. Then I became him. Then me again. It was quite a rush.

Then the Goddess helped me out of the mountain. I had a hell of a time finding my way back to camp in my underwear.
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Oh well... Now you're just pulling my leg ;)
 
Ron_Tomkins said:
Oh well... Now you're just pulling my leg ;)
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No I'm not. First the mountain opened, and a nature spirit or an angel or something pulled me into the mountainside. There in the unbelievable blackness was God. He was made of light.

The thing about becoming God is it's hard to let go of your identity. I could have remained as God but I just wasn't ready to let go of my tiny little life. I had to pay for that decision with pain. The moment I decided to become me again I had to painfully fight my way back into the finger that use to be me. It was quite traumatic. Eventually, when the Goddess helped me leave the mountain, I fell off a ledge and rolled through some cactus. My ankle still hasn't fully recovered and I think I still have some cactus barbs somewhere on my body.
 
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Donn said:
If this is true then:
1. You have a duty to translate your knowledge into words, metaphors and data that we can understand.
2. If we demonstrate error in your arguments and you agree then you have the duty to not make the same mistakes again.
3. You have the duty to keep trying to understand our complaints and objections. You cannot simply ignore them and roll forward.

Take things in little bites. Explain it to us clearly. Take your licks. Keep trying. Learn to say you don't know. We will do the same.

BUT

1. Walls of text.
2. Evasions..
3. Mystical circles of logic
4. Just because I say so's
5. Logical fallacies

Will cause you to lose any claim to expertise you have made.


Bring it.
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Yeah, I have duties. I know. As for translating my knowledge into forms you can understand. It's been done. No need for me to write a book about it when I can point my students to books out there that are much better. Books that I have read and that I know can get results.

I can only accept the duties of a teacher insofar as you accept the burdens of a student. My test for the worthiness of a student is to test their willingness to read a book that I recommend. If they won't read, I won't teach. I'm not going to try to make a horse drink. Can't be done.
 
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Limbo said:
Well first would be the UFO. It was about 20 years ago and I was walking home late one night with a friend when we stopped for a rest. Suddenly it flew low right over our heads. A massive and silent UFO going incredibly fast. It performed some fancy maneuvers and then shot straight up into space. It kept going and going until it disappeared.
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You and your friend looked up into the sky and saw something you did not recognize and therefore conclude it is of alien origin.

This not only would prove that life exists on other planets, but it is intelligent life capable of flight, interstellar travel, and who knows what else. Based on your opinion that the UFO performed "fancy manoeuvres" would suggest that their understanding of aeronautics and aerodynamics incorporated into their spacecraft are far advanced beyond our own.

For unknown reasons, these aliens do not contact us, they simply zing by from time to time and observe.


I want to ask you seriously though, when you look up in the sky and see something you dont understand, is it not possible that this can be easily explainable by normal means? Is there a plausible explanation for what you saw?

Are you sure you remember it exactly the way it happened? We are notorious for mis remembering even our own memories, some people cant describe a purse thief who ran by them on the street 30 seconds after the theft occured. I find even for myself as time passes my older memories are not crystal clear representations of what actually occured, details become obscured, and we even distort some of the events. Have you ever brought up a conversation with someone you had in the past and got the reply "I never said that during our conversation". I have done this and have been in awe that I can play this memory in my head and be almost sure that this is what was said. Especially during events of high stress or emotional states, its hard for your mind to take in and process all this information accurately.

20 years later, do you think your memory of what you saw might be tainted by time and the inability for your brain to perfectly retain past events?

I sincerely do hope we find other forms of life in this universe, I hope one day we can discover were not alone, and converse with other life, and hear their storys, and where they came from, and see how life develops in other places.

Religious folks, UFO believers and all these kinds of groups are doing the right thing and asking the big questions. The 2 things they do not do is establish a process of finding an answer and then the steps taken to confirm what they find when they think they have found one.
 
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So what is your first position?

There are objects in the sky I have seen that I personally cannot identify?

You said UFOs are real. How is this to be interpreted?
If you are saying that there are objects flying in the sky that you cannot identify from the ground with an unaided eye, then what is the problem? Theres all kinds of things I see in the sky I do not understand.
 
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