Merged So there was melted steel

Miragememories said:
I am staying on topic Edx.
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Im sorry but how many pages did you spend claiming that there had to be molten steel because Voorsanger mentioned it and you claim he can't be wrong? :rolleyes:

The fact is that there are endless amounts of examples of people that have reported molten steel in other fires and there are cases where fire experts also reported incorrectly that there was melted steel in a fire and that fire melted steel.

Its not abnormal for people and even experts to incorrectly say that fire melted steel. Fact. Its therefore completely expected to find those same reports on 911 as well.


The answer to your question was clearly provided there and in other responses.
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Not sure which question you think you are replying to but whatever...

But there is evidence of significant paper charring in the images Grizzly Bear provided.
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Excuse me MM, but have you ever set paper on fire?

Tell you what you go get a lighter and a piece of A4 from your printer and see how difficult it is to set it on fire and turn it into nothing but ASH.

Then comeback and tell us what happend, thanks!

:rolleyes:



Unless the process is broken, at some point in time, the melting temperature of steel will be reached, but unless sufficient ambient oxygen becomes available, the paper will not be able to combust.
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So how did the ambient temperature not increase to the point where paper was set on fire? You can set paper on fire simply by rubbing to sticks together, yet you think temperatures so hot they melted steel were nearby did nothing by char it??

Again, do try light some paper on fire with a match or lighter and try and char it without turning it into ash in seconds. Its going to be pretty difficult because paper will turn into ash very very quickly and holding a flame underneath it to only cause a char means you have to hold it from a significant distance, or only briefly make contact with the paper.

Did you never play with fire as a teenager?
 
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Miragememories said:
Steel structured highrises that completely collapsed due to fire prior to, and post 9/11?

Bring on the examples.

MM
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WTC1, WTC2 and WTC7. Ignoring those three very obvious examples is just plain silly.

Please also list for us which steel frame buildings were hit by 767s and/or had unfought fires? First time that's happened in history too, isn't it? A simple yes or no will do MM.

So why would your first ever in history be impossible but mine not?
 
Never in the history of Earth have 3 buildings, each alone much larger than any building that has ever been taken down by CD, been demolished in a single day secretly using thermitic material.

Even less likely, 2 of those buildings' collapses began exactly where huge fully fuel-laden jetliners crashed into them.
 
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Miragememories said:
I am staying on topic Edx.

Earlier, I presented a hypothesis for melting steel in deep hotspots within the WTC debris pile.
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MM
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Talk about reaching. Next time use this.

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twinstead said:
Never in the history of Earth have 3 buildings, each alone much larger than any building that has ever been taken down by CD, been demolished in a single day secretly using thermitic material.

Even less likely, 2 of those buildings' collapses began exactly where huge fully fuel-laden jetliners crashed into them.
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I'd like to see the odds of a "hermetically sealed hot pocket". (excluding the food like substance).


:D
 
The first time in history argument is a cop out that can't establish a coherent relationship between the number of buildings that fail and the underlying causes because it ignores all of the inherent differences between building construction methods and the different failure modes. And it's an off-topic distraction that MM won't stop believing in anyway...

As for the paper, at ignition temperature the cellulose in the material will start decomposing. Legible type face is one thing that will not survive that kind of exposure with or without enough oxygen to undergo combustion. Even in low oxygen conditions where you can only get smoldering, would destroy the material, end of story
 
So according to MM's 'unofficial delusions', a hermetically sealed hot pocket deep in the debris pile infused with tiny specks of super nano thermite, creates a relatively small chunk of re-solidified molten steel with some unburnt paper and unmelted steel rebar, and that means the gov't/nwo/illuminati/jooooz/reptilians/'they' destroyed the buildings.

:eye-poppi
 
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Miragememories said:
... at some point in time, the melting temperature of steel will be reached, but unless sufficient ambient oxygen becomes available, the paper will not be able to combust.
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I anticipated this rather cheap and theoretical point of yours with:

GlennB said:
Anoxic conditions, yes. Though the paper would very rapidly be reduced to virtually pure carbon, crumble away, and not be recognisable as paper at all.
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though you didn't seem to spot it. The paper would be reduced to little more than carbon dust by the same process that we make charcoal. Pyrolysis.

You seem to be being reduced to increasingly esoteric claims these days, MM. Even your bizarre 'sealed-yet-not-sealed compartment' scenario wouldn't explain the paper.
 
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triforcharity said:
Except for the problem that thermite creates it's own oxygen, therby feeding the area with oxygen.
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I'm not sure that the oxygen is ever 'free' to serve other purposes, triforcharity. I believe it's bound within a chemical reaction, though I'm perfectly happy to be proved wrong here.
 
GlennB said:
I'm not sure that the oxygen is ever 'free' to serve other purposes, triforcharity. I believe it's bound within a chemical reaction, though I'm perfectly happy to be proved wrong here.
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I could be wrong, but I don't think the thermite reaction consumes all of the available oxygen, but I could be wrong.

Not real sure how MM gets the idea that the thermite would ignite, but the paper wouldn't.

If there's fire burning, there's oxygen. Period.
 
Miragememories said:
I do not think it requires a special academic requirement to know if steel is molten or not.
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Then a professional poker player, passing by, might say "Nope, no molten steel there" and his opinion would carry equal weight to Voorsanger's ?

If so, why do you continually harp on about V's "professional" opinion?
 
Miragememories said:
I make no claims about his general beliefs regarding 9/11.

He gave his professional opinion about that WTC debris specimen containing previously molten steel and that is what I made reference to.

Which may be the flippant approach you might take when giving your opinion in front of a huge TV audience, but I have no reason to believe that Bart Voorsanger would be so unconcerned about his professional self respect.
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Edx said:
...And claiming that he cannot be wrong.!...
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Where did I ever say he cannot be wrong?

MM
 
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