Four Students Dismissed in Hazing Incedent.

I know a guy who is paralyzed from the waist down from a frat hazing accident over 20 years ago.
 
Hazing in schools and the military is a tolerated evil. Idunno who tolerates it, I morally loathe such opportunistic self-exaltation of those who suddenly find themselves in a powerful position.
 
kerikiwi said:
i feel the same about road 'accidents'.
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Some road accidents happen because of failure to comply with the rules, but I assume many or most of them happen in circumstances where eveyone tried to follow the rules, and any possible breaking of them was unintentional.
 
JJM 777 said:
Some road accidents happen because of failure to comply with the rules, but I assume many or most of them happen in circumstances where eveyone tried to follow the rules, and any possible breaking of them was unintentional.
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I think it's the other way round: most crashes are caused by stupidity of one sort or another. Stupidity may not be intentional but it should be avoidable.
A few crashes are caused by circumstances outside the control of the drivers.
 
Is this an American thing, or is this 'tradition' elsewhere as well? There's no such thing as hazing in the Norwegian education system, nor did I ever see it in the Norwegian military, neither from enlisted soldiers nor NCOs/officers.
 
Ryokan said:
Is this an American thing, or is this 'tradition' elsewhere as well? There's no such thing as hazing in the Norwegian education system, nor did I ever see it in the Norwegian military, neither from enlisted soldiers nor NCOs/officers.
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Not just American. Do a search for hazing in the Russian military for example, some pretty crazy stuff there.

I never encountered any harsh hazing during my stint on sports teams OR the military . Some silly stuff that got laughs from everyone involved, but that was it.
 
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Ryokan said:
Is this an American thing, or is this 'tradition' elsewhere as well? There's no such thing as hazing in the Norwegian education system, nor did I ever see it in the Norwegian military, neither from enlisted soldiers nor NCOs/officers.
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There was some hazing at my old special math school (math sup / math spe). When the second years came up to us to start the hazing we told them we would react to hazing attempt by punch into faces.

So far as i can tell , there hasn't been any hazing whatsoever on my year and the year afterward. But it still shows that it is not a full american tradition, it probably happens whenever any group with different category of student/military with some rite of passage.
 
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Ryokan said:
Is this an American thing, or is this 'tradition' elsewhere as well? There's no such thing as hazing in the Norwegian education system, nor did I ever see it in the Norwegian military, neither from enlisted soldiers nor NCOs/officers.
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Brutal harmful hazing is wrong in any country.

However, it is no more an "American thing" than senselessly killing 77 people on an island is a "Norwegian thing";)
 
kerikiwi said:
Sorry, but I had to do that.
i feel the same about road 'accidents'.
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It really was an accident, the hazing wasn't that crazy - he was blindfolded and walked around campus. At one point they were walking down the railroad tracks that went through town, and were crossing this viaduct. This one is unusual in that it is open in the middle, they didn't realize this and it was night. He fell through the space onto the street below. If you go to the street view you can see the space more clearly, and as you can see a grate has since been placed over it. That grate wasn't there back then.
 
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JJM 777 said:
Some road accidents happen because of failure to comply with the rules, but I assume many or most of them happen in circumstances where eveyone tried to follow the rules, and any possible breaking of them was unintentional.
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More off topic, I see plenty of terrible driving all the time, failure to follow the common logic at stops and intersections, and then I took a trip to Florida recently...

No offense to my southern friends or southern forum members, but y'all drive like kooks. At least on the I-24, I-10, I-95 corridor, people were driving way over the speed limit, no one seemed to think that they should maintain the three second rule, there were lines of people tailgating and other people weaving in and out of lanes erracticaly and dangerously.

It was like teh Dan Ryan for 500 miles.
 
Hazing is terrible and the worst is the deliberate and indeliberate alcohol toxicity. People should not be forced to drink to toxicity, people should not be encouraged to become toxic.
 
Aepervius said:
There was some hazing at my old special math school (math sup / math spe). When the second years came up to us to start the hazing we told them we would react to hazing attempt by punch into faces.

So far as i can tell , there hasn't been any hazing whatsoever on my year and the year afterward. But it still shows that it is not a full american tradition, it probably happens whenever any group with different category of student/military with some rite of passage.
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Called "Bizutage" in French, it still is a problem in many schools and institutions, despite being totally against the law ...
 
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Ryokan said:
Is this an American thing, or is this 'tradition' elsewhere as well? There's no such thing as hazing in the Norwegian education system, nor did I ever see it in the Norwegian military, neither from enlisted soldiers nor NCOs/officers.
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If, indeed, there are places where this sort of thing doesn't happen, I'm very surprised (and pleased) to hear it.


ETA: I mean hazing, in general, or any of the host of humiliating "initiation" activities foisted on people wanting to join a group.
 
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Ryokan said:
Is this an American thing, or is this 'tradition' elsewhere as well? There's no such thing as hazing in the Norwegian education system, nor did I ever see it in the Norwegian military, neither from enlisted soldiers nor NCOs/officers.
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Huh. Different experiences I guess.

I was under the command of a Norwegian LTG back in the early 80s. We also had a small contingent of Norwegian staff officers. According to them, roughly the same types of "rite of passage" relatively harmless hazing occuried in the Norwegian Armed Forces - at least in the land forces. The form of the hazing seemed to be dependent on each unit, rather than on the unit type.

I never experienced any form of institutional hazing while in school.
 
Flo said:
Called "Bizutage" in French, it still is a problem in many schools and institutions, despite being totally against the law ...
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Yep, although I don#t quite udnerstand why people do not do more often as we did. After all *first* years are usually much much more numerous than second years, and so forth...
 
leon_heller said:
It happens in some units of the British military, but I don't think it goes on at universities and other educational establishments here.
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Not outside of sports clubs at any rate*, and I think this is the key difference, we don't have anything like fraternities which seem to be the groups other than sports clubs which carry out hazing.
　
* I clearly remember having to deal with the aftermath of one of the initiation into the rugby club of one of the guys in my halls or residence. The initiation basically involved him sticking a hosepipe in his mouth whilst others from the rugby club poured alcohol down it from a second story balcony.
 
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