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UFOs: The Research, the Evidence

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Akhenaten,

Have you been misinformed? Quite the contrary, you are the one doing the misinforming via your flames and misrepresentations. But at least I've discovered that your participation isn't totally useless. There is a distinct entertainment value in your posts ... not unlike the late Andy Rooney for example. So you are in good company. Keep up the good work.

I am new to the thread, and I am not in any condition to browse through some 300+ pages at the moment, so I wanted to ask you in particular if you've ever seen a UFO...in the basest definition of the term. Have you ever seen anything in the sky you could not explain with the knowledge you had on hand at the time? I'm not being sarcastic, facetious or flip about this (I have seen a UFO or two, and while I suspect a very mundane explanation for each, I am much more amenable to stories of alien visitation than I am to stories of miracles, to put it in perspective).

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I am new to the thread, and I am not in any condition to browse through some 300+ pages at the moment, so I wanted to ask you in particular if you've ever seen a UFO...in the basest definition of the term. Have you ever seen anything in the sky you could not explain with the knowledge you had on hand at the time? I'm not being sarcastic, facetious or flip about this (I have seen a UFO or two, and while I suspect a very mundane explanation for each, I am much more amenable to stories of alien visitation than I am to stories of miracles, to put it in perspective).


Ooooooh are you in for a treat!

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Halley's Comet isn't simply a one off transient phenomenon. It returns every 75 years and is visible for several months each time. It's often been recorded by more than one historian, and was visible to everyone on Earth at the same time. It is therefore possible to observe over long periods of time on multiple occasions.

UFOs are one off transient phenomena. They don't hang around for more than a few minutes, usually just seconds. They don't return and their appearance can't be predicted, which means that they can't be studied scientifically and we can't look at any history book to identify previous appearances of the same UFO.

The analogy fails at every level.
 
I am new to the thread, and I am not in any condition to browse through some 300+ pages at the moment, so I wanted to ask you in particular if you've ever seen a UFO...in the basest definition of the term. Have you ever seen anything in the sky you could not explain with the knowledge you had on hand at the time? I'm not being sarcastic, facetious or flip about this (I have seen a UFO or two, and while I suspect a very mundane explanation for each, I am much more amenable to stories of alien visitation than I am to stories of miracles, to put it in perspective).

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http://www.ufopages.com/Common/Control/Reframe_T1.htm?../../Reference/FS/Murphy-02a.htm

Scroll down to "1975 - Glowing Orb"
 
Ooooooh are you in for a treat!

:D

This is win/win for me. I love the amateur study of weather and folklore. And if there actually is extra-terrestrial life out there brave (for lack of a better word) enough to continue studying us, I'm all for knowing about it. I don't believe in it, but I enjoy researching claims such as UFOs.

My astronomy is hazy but grounded, so I'm legitimately curious. I'm a skeptic. I walk the walk. Yes I have my beliefs but I'm willing to have them challenged. I treat every discussion of such things as UFOs or bigfoot as a learning experience, and I won't knock people who hold such beliefs (I learned more about 9/11 through the Troother debunking than searching blindly through articles after all) as long as I don't see them as dangerous.

I suppose what I'm saying here is I have no preconceived notions vis a vis the UFO issue, and I could use the practice as a skeptic. My mind is open as of right now, and my curiosity is genuine. If I end up jaded, it'll be on my own good time. At least I'll learn something in the process.
 
I've only just joined the thread myself but I did read as much of it as I could before jumping in.

A brief peruse and you'll find that it is a frustrating, entertaining and interesting discussion... mostly.

You'll have fun I'm sure.
 
I apologise for being like a dog with a bone with my witches analogy everyone, but so far folou has refused to acknowledge it, nor explain to me why it isn’t valid.

Fugol, you continue to make the error of assuming that just because someone records something – even with the best intentions of getting that record correct to the best of his/her ability and taking into account his/her cultural background and the zeitgeist of the day – that record can still be total bunkum. Even if we have thousands of records alluding to the same phenomenon, they can still all be total bunkum. Indeed, once the ball is rolling on something and it is made popular through the media or – back in the past – word of mouth and the Church, then copycat sightings are all the more likely.

Here’s a treatise written in 1486 by the most learned scholars of the day and respected members of society. People who were trained in spotting witches, you might say. The Malleus Maleficarum is a guide book on how to spot witches and what to do with them once you do. It includes a whole section on actual cases. Just like UFOlogy books of today.

In the same way that tens of thousands of people once witnessed witches at work in their towns and villages, and yet we now know that witches don’t exist, it follows that just because lots of people say that they have seen Alien Space Ships and write about them, no matter who those people are, it doesn’t mean that some of them really did see ASSes.

Uf, people used to judge the ‘performance characteristics’ of witches with the same rigour as ufologists today judge the ‘performance characteristics’ of alleged non-mundane objects (aka ASSes). e.g.

Alien Space Ship:
“It was easily as large as a football field and travelled at well beyond the speed of light because it was many miles away”.
“Really?”
“Yes, but it left no trace that it was ever here.”


Or: Witch:
“She turned me into a newt”.
“Really?”
“I got better.”


See how my analogy still stands, folo? If you disagree, and think there are no parallels between belief in witches and belief in alien visitation, then I’m all ears.
 
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Akhenaten,

Have you been misinformed? Quite the contrary, you are the one doing the misinforming via your flames and misrepresentations. But at least I've discovered that your participation isn't totally useless. There is a distinct entertainment value in your posts ... not unlike the late Andy Rooney for example. So you are in good company. Keep up the good work.

Of how much value do you think your own input has been? I've said it before and I don't mind repeating it: We need people like you to showcase the fallacious reasoning that causes people to believe in things with no evidence. If it weren't for your adamant insistence on your own failures of comprehension, we'd have nothing to use for a poster child.

You keep up the good work.

Now, let's talk about that J Randall Murphy UFO ( firefly ) Hoax. What do you think the psychological motivation was for the hoaxer to attempt such a clumsy exercise?
 
I apologise for being like a dog with a bone with my witches analogy everyone, but so far folou has refused to acknowledge it, nor explain to me why it isn’t valid.

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His name is Stray Cat, ufology. How would you like it if people called you Murph? Or ufol?

Actually, don't answer that question..... :boggled:

So we said:

ufol, . . . .

ufology: . . . .

folog, . . . .

folo: . . . .

olog, . . . .

folio, . . . .

logy, . . . .

Fugol, . . . .

No guarantees that the above are the first examples of each, but the variety and creativity (and a little snark) are cool. If I missed any good ones, be sure to document with good links.

Too much spare time this weekend, looks like.
 
Most of the anecdotal evidence seems to point toward humanoid aliens, so what is there not to believe?

And by "anecdotal" you mean based on the culture surrounding the sightings I presume? In Japan they have a completely different figure representing these "alien abductions".

And by my earlier statement, I mean that the human design is based on a long tree of selection, most steps of which could probably not be attained by cells (if there are such thing on other planets) of other creatures on other planets.
 
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If you are literally "all ears" then you miss, are a witch!
Pah! See him over there? (*points accusingly across a crowded room*) He was communing with a giant talking rabbit only the other day! :eek: Put 'im on the ducking stool! Buuuuuuuuuuurn 'im!
 
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So we said:

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No guarantees that the above are the first examples of each, but the variety and creativity (and a little snark) are cool. If I missed any good ones, be sure to document with good links.
RoboTimbo came up with 'uf'. The brilliance is in its brevity, I think. Can't be Alien Space Shipped to find the link right now though, sorry

(Note: I came up with another, but someone complained and I got a slapped wrist and a warning from Tricky. I was sorry at the time because it was naughty of me so I won't be repeating it.)
 
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