Vaccines: how do I talk to my anti-vac wife about it?

[LarianLeQuella]

Thanks to you all here, we have finally laid bare the real conspiracy.

I lay it out on the other thread.

Well done.

Doh, that's what I get for not paying attention. Although, for the sake of not facepalming myslef to death, I just stay out of the conspiracy forum. That stuff just makes me week for mankind in general.

 

[Tomblvd]

Of course it is. That's why the professionals insist on distilled water. Unfortunately, most people don't have easy access to potable distilled water although I understand that several US grocery stores do stock it. If you want it in the UK, you have to buy your own distiller or order it from specialist suppliers.

Professional what?

Are you really this dense naturally, or do you have to practice?

 

[Tatyana]

Of course it is. That's why the professionals insist on distilled water. Unfortunately, most people don't have easy access to potable distilled water although I understand that several US grocery stores do stock it. If you want it in the UK, you have to buy your own distiller or order it from specialist suppliers.

If you give people distilled water for any significant amount of time, there is a good chance you will make them dehydrated.

Do you know why?

Go on, impress me with your 'science' of 'natural hygiene'.

 

[Tomblvd]

Of course it is. That's why the professionals insist on distilled water. Unfortunately, most people don't have easy access to potable distilled water although I understand that several US grocery stores do stock it. If you want it in the UK, you have to buy your own distiller or order it from specialist suppliers.

And how did the 'men before shamans and priests' manage to "naturally" distill their water?

 

[Niggle]

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Besides being evidence of people suffering and dying at the hands of executioners (oops) vaccinators (which these pro-vaxers insist on denying,) it also shows that if you're going to force this crap into people in the name of saving their lives, you'd best make sure it doesn't kill them outright.
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Twelve children died in 1928, so vaccines are evil? 1928? Really? You don't think there have been any improvements since then?

Wow.

 

[trusetheeker]

Oh for goodness sake, MRC5 is a cell line derived from a single human foetus many, many years ago. A new foetus is not used for each vaccine. You're worried about eggs and meat? Are they dangerous now?

Capsid, get with the program. Animal foods have never been ideal fare but with modern industrial methods, they're downright lethal. Want to significantly reduce your cancer threat, stop eating meat.

But more to the point, if you start extracting cells, etc from a fetus or any other living creature, how can you be sure exactly what else is hitching a ride?

 

[Tatyana]

Capsid, get with the program. Animal foods have never been ideal fare but with modern industrial methods, they're downright lethal. Want to significantly reduce your cancer threat, stop eating meat.

But more to the point, if you start extracting cells, etc from a fetus or any other living creature, how can you be sure exactly what else is hitching a ride?

There is no foetal tissue in vaccines.

 

[Capsid]

Capsid, get with the program. Animal foods have never been ideal fare but with modern industrial methods, they're downright lethal. Want to significantly reduce your cancer threat, stop eating meat.

But more to the point, if you start extracting cells, etc from a fetus or any other living creature, how can you be sure exactly what else is hitching a ride?

Since you don't think viruses exist then what's your problem?
Anyway, there are a whole battery of tests that can identify these viruses. Or have you something else in mind?

 

[trusetheeker]

I happen to have first hand experience of vaccine testing.

Same here. 17 years in the US Air Force. I didn't know any better then; not that it would probably have helped.

100s of thousands of Gulf War vets also have plenty of experience with vaccine testing followed by decades of experience with a military and government that will neither accept responsibility for their health problems nor ensure that they have a reasonable standard of living. After 20 years, they've finally accepted that GWS is real and that the VA, etc need to up their game in supporting these vets. However, in the report we see the same old, same old when it comes to vaccines.

According to the final report (http://www.va.gov/RAC-GWVI/docs/Gulf_War_Illnesses_Links/VA_GWVITaskForce_FinalReport.pdf), the Task Force recommended:

[Recommendation 27]

Evaluate the association of anthrax vaccine adsorbed (AVA) with chronic symptoms, multisymptom illness, and diagnosed disease by conducting a retrospective cohort study of military personnel known to have received/not received AVA during the Gulf War and/or in the early years of the AVM program.

to which the VA replied:

This was not specifically included in RFAs
because
1) On page 8 of their 2008 Report the RACGWVI concluded that "...the anthrax vaccine is not a likely cause of Gulf War illness for most ill Veterans."
2) The 2000 IOM Report “Gulf War & Health Vol. 1: Depleted Uranium, Pyridostigmine Bromide, Sarin, Vaccines,” found inadequate and/or insufficient evidence to determine whether an association does or does not exist between anthrax vaccination and any long-term health problems.

So, not "likely" and cannot find evidence to make a decision so let's just forget it, shall we?

 

[Chris Haynes]

Trusetheeker, exactly why did the morbidity of measles drop by 90% between 1960 and 1970 in the USA?

As an agent of Big Pharma, are you upset that there are so few measles to treat?

 

[trusetheeker]

Carbon dioxide is not from the respiratory system.

The lungs only eliminate CO2, well the lungs and one other organ in the body.

Go on, tell me where it is from, you have the googles to help you as well.

Also, tell me how the innate immune system works in a paragraph, what is one of the mechanism the body deals with bacteria in the innate system?

CO2
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/CO2

n. 1. the chemical formula for carbon dioxide, a heavy odorless gas (CO2) formed during respiration and by the combustion or decomposition of organic substances; it is absorbed from the air by plants in photosynthesis. The formula itself, pronounced out, is often used instead of the full name, especially with reference to fire extinguishers using this gas for fire suppression; as, a CO2 extinguisher.

The main method that the body uses to deal with bacteria is living with them symbiotically. Our survival is dependent on the interaction with bacteria and trillions of other independent organisms that work together for the benefit of the whole body. When you understand that, then we can have a discussion on the immune system.

By the way, I notice that you go ballistic whenever anyone mentions Andrew Wakefield. I mentioned Harold Shipman many posts ago, (the doctor that murdered 100s of patients and at least on one occasion got them to change their will so that everything was left to him) and not even a cough from you.

Perhaps you'll go ballistic when you read what your hero, Salk got up to in his spare time?

From the Washington Post

The AP review of past research found:

-A federally funded study begun in 1942 injected experimental flu vaccine in male patients at a state insane asylum in Ypsilanti, Mich., then exposed them to flu several months later. It was co-authored by Dr. Jonas Salk, who a decade later would become famous as inventor of the polio vaccine.

Not surprisingly NaturalNews is having a field day over this:

Dr. Jonas Salk was part of that criminal conspiracy, of course. Not only is he now implicated in these criminal medical experiments, but as you will see here on NaturalNews in upcoming articles, the credit given to Dr. Salk for ending polio is based on a fraudulent misrepresentation of the historical data -- something that was intentionally done by the vaccine industry in order to convince people that vaccines ended polio!

The truth is far different. The "success" of the polio vaccine has been a 60-year lie. A the "heroic" stature of Dr. Jonas Salk has been a 70-year lie. This man was a Big Pharma criminal. And the truth about him -- and his deadly vaccines -- is finally coming out.

Watch for more reporting here on NaturalNews that exposes the 60-year lie about the polio vaccine and the supposed "heroes of medicine" who were actually criminal-minded scientists working for the drug companies and exploiting human lives to test their deadly chemicals and vaccines.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/031564_Jonas_Salk_medical_experiments.html#ixzz1eZoj8Nch

 

[Clayton Moore]

Sorry, I meant that I am involved in the testing procedures. Although I have had a flu jab every year for more than 15 years now. The only side effect I appear to have is a worrying addiction to an internet forum.

Then you know that only 40%, if I remember correctly, of children are healthy enough to participate in vaccine trials. Yet all children are required to get the vaccine.


Maybe you could tell us laypersons how to determine whether a toddler has had a negative reaction to a vaccine or vaccines?

 

[Giordano]

Then you know that only 40%, if I remember correctly, of children are healthy enough to participate in vaccine trials. Yet all children are required to get the vaccine.


Maybe you could tell us laypersons how to determine whether a toddler has had a negative reaction to a vaccine or vaccines?

I think this was explained to you in an earlier thread. Just in case I am wrong: In any drug or vaccine trial, you need to have a fairly uniform population so any negative effects can be observed above background. If you admit a lot of ill people into the study before a vaccine treatment, you would never be able to tell if the treatment caused that illness. All drug trials have very strict rules for who can be tested or not for that reason. Typically far more people are eligible for treatment after the treatment has been tested and approved.

How to determine if a toddler had a negative reaction to a vaccine:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00046738.htm

What to do if it happens:
http://vaers.hhs.gov/index

It looks as if the Center for Disease Control and FDA really want to identify any real problems with vaccines. Or perhaps it's all just part of one incredible conspiracy??

 

[Giordano]

Capsid, get with the program. Animal foods have never been ideal fare but with modern industrial methods, they're downright lethal. Want to significantly reduce your cancer threat, stop eating meat.

But more to the point, if you start extracting cells, etc from a fetus or any other living creature, how can you be sure exactly what else is hitching a ride?

Um- the incredibly extensive testing that is performed on these samples? Tests of toxicity, tests to look for cryptic or infectious viruses, testd of safety in animals and in phase I, II, and III clinical studies? Maybe that's how?

 

[Belz...]

Capsid, get with the program. Animal foods have never been ideal fare but with modern industrial methods, they're downright lethal. Want to significantly reduce your cancer threat, stop eating meat.

Oh, because you're a vegan, too ?

 

[trusetheeker]

Originally Posted by trusetheeker View Post
Capsid, get with the program. Animal foods have never been ideal fare but with modern industrial methods, they're downright lethal. Want to significantly reduce your cancer threat, stop eating meat.

Oh, because you're a vegan, too ?

Correction: Animal foods are only lethal to you if you are a vegan/vegetarian. No problem for meat eaters! My apologies for the confusion.

 

[trusetheeker]

There is no foetal tissue in vaccines.

Ooh, my turn! Linky link!

 

[trusetheeker]

Originally Posted by trusetheeker View Post
Capsid, get with the program. Animal foods have never been ideal fare but with modern industrial methods, they're downright lethal. Want to significantly reduce your cancer threat, stop eating meat.

But more to the point, if you start extracting cells, etc from a fetus or any other living creature, how can you be sure exactly what else is hitching a ride?

Since you don't think viruses exist then what's your problem?
Anyway, there are a whole battery of tests that can identify these viruses. Or have you something else in mind?

What viruses? Did I say viruses? I said "what else is hitching a ride" so why would think that was limited to viruses?

 

[trusetheeker]

Professional what?

Are you really this dense naturally, or do you have to practice?

Professional NH practitioners. Please try to keep up with the discussion.

 

[Tomblvd]

Professional NH practitioners. Please try to keep up with the discussion.

Professional as compare to amateur? How can you tell?

And you didn't answer the real question; How did ancient man (the one we're supposed to emulate) manage to distill his water?