Vaccine/autism CT discussion

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Clayton Moore said:
http://www.citizensreport.org/2011/09/04/autism-isn’t-linked-to-childhood-vaccines/

Why do they say people? Shouldn't they say babies? Shouldn't it be obvious babies would have immature immune systems? Is immature really the same as "people with immune system problems."
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No. There is a world of difference between an immune system that is unable to react properly to invaders (or one that over-reacts, attacking the body itself), and one that lacks sophistication.

Bluntly, if a baby did not have a fully functional immune system, it would be dead within hours of its birth. A newborn is presented with thousands of times the antigens present in any vaccine, and many of these are active hostile organisms, not the de-fanged remnants in a modern vaccine.
 
I posted this in another thread:

"The discontinuation of thimerosal-containing vaccines in Denmark in 1992 was followed by an increase in the incidence of autism. Our ecological data do not support a correlation between thimerosal-containing vaccines and the incidence of autism." -- http://www.pediatricsdigest.mobi/content/112/3/604.full

How can the removal of mercury from vaccine correlate with the increase of autism? Sure, it could be other factors yet I find it curious how the removal of the mercury matches an increase of autism.
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Conspiracy version: The reason why the statistics for the autism increases after the removal of thimerosal in Denmark is because the statistics for when thimerosal was used has been manipulated! They have lowered the statistics for the number of autistic children when they were vaccinated with vaccines containing mercury. They lowered the statistics too much! Because they had to use only historical data, since the actual future data wasn't available yet. This gives the appearance of an increase of autism in the unmanipulated data when no mercury was used.
 
And I'm sure your very next post will contain the proof of this.
 
Anders Lindman said:
Conspiracy version: The reason why the statistics for the autism increases after the removal of thimerosal in Denmark is because the statistics for when thimerosal was used has been manipulated! They have lowered the statistics for the number of autistic children when they were vaccinated with vaccines containing mercury. They lowered the statistics too much! Because they had to use only historical data, since the actual future data wasn't available yet. This gives the appearance of an increase of autism in the unmanipulated data when no mercury was used.
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OR, the reason for the increase in autism is NOT because of the thimerosal/mercury but some other nasty stuff in the vaccines. They found a correlation between autism and vaccine and thought is was the thimerosal so they removed it from the vaccines and manipulated the statistics to lower the percentage of autism during the period when thimerosal was used. Then in the years later the higher statistics of autism REMAINED even without the thimerosal. So they did a double blunder: manipulation of the statistics for autism and deciding that the reason for increased autism was the thimerosal in the vaccines. OR, it was a deliberate blunder, sponsored and devised by the pharma industry as a smokescreen to hide the real cause of the autism which is some of the other ingredients in the vaccine. And by making the legal medical authorities guilty of manipulating statistics the pharma industry could use that to blackmail the medical legal government authorities. Machiavellian strategies all the way, baby.
 
Anders Lindman said:
OR, the reason for the increase in autism is NOT because of the thimerosal/mercury but some other nasty stuff in the vaccines. They found a correlation between autism and vaccine and thought is was the thimerosal so they removed it from the vaccines and manipulated the statistics to lower the percentage of autism during the period when thimerosal was used. Then in the years later the higher statistics of autism REMAINED even without the thimerosal. So they did a double blunder: manipulation of the statistics for autism and deciding that the reason for increased autism was the thimerosal in the vaccines. OR, it was a deliberate blunder, sponsored and devised by the pharma industry as a smokescreen to hide the real cause of the autism which is some of the other ingredients in the vaccine. And by making the legal medical authorities guilty of manipulating statistics the pharma industry could use that to blackmail the medical legal government authorities. Machiavellian strategies all the way, baby.
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So Mercury doesn't cause Autism but some unnamed nasty stuff does ?
 
tsig said:
So Mercury doesn't cause Autism but some unnamed nasty stuff does ?
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Could be. The usual power trick is to make other powers do something illegal and then the first power group can use that to blackmail the powers that was tricked into doing something illegal. In the case of vaccines the pharma industry can achieve two objectives with such scheme: 1) Blame mercury for causing autism which creates a smokescreen for the real cause, and 2) Make the government manipulate the statistics to hide the increase of autism to not alarm or upset the public. Then as a next step the mercury is proved to not cause autism, which means that now the pharma industry is completely protected since vaccines can no longer be connected to autism, while they still can blackmail the government since the manipulation of statistics still remains unchanged. Mhua ha ha :evil laughter: :D
 
Anders Lindman said:
Could be. The usual power trick is to make other powers do something illegal and then the first power group can use that to blackmail the powers that was tricked into doing something illegal.
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This sort of thing happens a lot in your world, does it?
 
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Could be. The usual power trick is to make other powers do something illegal and then the first power group can use that to blackmail the powers that was tricked into doing something illegal.
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Mr.D said:
This sort of thing happens a lot in your world, does it?
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What's so funny is that you don't get that BB wrings every red cent out of every venture. BB does anything it can get away with.

People are expendable.
 
Anders Lindman said:
Could be. The usual power trick is to make other powers do something illegal and then the first power group can use that to blackmail the powers that was tricked into doing something illegal. In the case of vaccines the pharma industry can achieve two objectives with such scheme: 1) Blame mercury for causing autism which creates a smokescreen for the real cause, and 2) Make the government manipulate the statistics to hide the increase of autism to not alarm or upset the public. Then as a next step the mercury is proved to not cause autism, which means that now the pharma industry is completely protected since vaccines can no longer be connected to autism, while they still can blackmail the government since the manipulation of statistics still remains unchanged. Mhua ha ha :evil laughter: :D
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Somehow the science of how all this works got lost.
 
Anders Lindman said:
I posted this in another thread:



Conspiracy version: The reason why the statistics for the autism increases after the removal of thimerosal in Denmark is because the statistics for when thimerosal was used has been manipulated! They have lowered the statistics for the number of autistic children when they were vaccinated with vaccines containing mercury. They lowered the statistics too much! Because they had to use only historical data, since the actual future data wasn't available yet. This gives the appearance of an increase of autism in the unmanipulated data when no mercury was used.
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Hang on, there is a conspiracy, but they proceed to publish the results of said claimed conspiracy?
 
Mr.D said:
This sort of thing happens a lot in your world, does it?
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Of course. The 9/11 attacks are a stark example. The U.S. government was surprised and before they could react properly the story about terrorist attacks was already firmly planted into the mind of the public via mainstream media. The U.S. government was innocent, but was forced to do a massive coverup to protect itself and the society. And now the real perpetrators can use that coverup to blackmail the government.
 
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