Vaccine/autism CT discussion

[Travis]

Why do they say people? Shouldn't they say babies? Shouldn't it be obvious babies would have immature immune systems? Is immature really the same as "people with immune system problems."

No, it isn't the same. An immature immune system is one that will work when it is exposed to pathogens but hasn't yet had the opportunity. An immune system with "problems" is one that would not respond even after exposure. An immature immune system is exactly what vaccines are made to work with and an immune system with "problems" is what maintaining herd immunity with vaccines in other people will protect.

 

[Myron Proudfoot]

And I see Michele Bachman is doing her best to spread a vaccine myth.

“I will tell you that I had a mother last night come up to me here in Tampa, Florida, after the debate,” Bachmann said. “She told me that her little daughter took that vaccine, that injection, and she suffered from mental retardation thereafter.”

I will refrain from making the obvious joke...

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...k-on-perry-spreads-vaccine-myth.php?ref=fpblg

 

[Clayton Moore]

And I see Michele Bachman is doing her best to spread a vaccine myth.



I will refrain from making the obvious joke...

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...k-on-perry-spreads-vaccine-myth.php?ref=fpblg

It's really amusing how these parents notice the sequence of events that impact their children.

 

[TSR]

It's really amusing how these parents notice the sequence of events that impact their children.

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And even more amusing that CM doesn't understand the difference between correlation and causation, nor the concept of confirmation bias, and whines about the content of reports zie has never even read.

But do tell us: what, specifically, was the mechanism which caused the retardation, and how was it determined that 1) it was not a pre-existing condition and 2) was caused / influenced by Gardicil? What testing was done on the girl to determine that she suffered from this condition to begin with, and if it was caused by the vaccine why aren't there a lot more cases to support this?
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[Clayton Moore]

The Vaccine Injury Compensation Trust Fund

http://www.hhs.gov/asl/testify/t990928b.html

III. Measles, mumps and rubella virus-containing vaccines in any combination (e.g., MMR, MR, M, R)


A. Anaphylaxis or anaphylactic shock 1


0-4 hours
B. Encephalopathy (or encephalitis) 2 5-15 days
C. Any acute complication or sequela (including death) of above events 4 Not applicable

IV. Rubella virus-containing vaccines (e.g., MMR, MR, R)


A. Chronic arthritis 5


7-42 days
B. Any acute complication or sequela (including death) of above event 4 Not applicable

V. Measles virus-containing vaccines (e.g., MMR, MR, M)


A. Thrombocytopenic purpura 7


7-30 days
B. Vaccine-Strain Measles Viral Infection in an immunodeficient recipient 8 0-6 months
C. Any acute complication or sequela (including death) of above events 4 Not applicable

Go figure.

 

[TSR]

The Vaccine Injury Compensation Trust Fund

http://www.hhs.gov/asl/testify/t990928b.html

Go figure.

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No, I believe we're going to help figuring why you cited a page which does not have the table you quoted -- a table which mentions neither Gardisil or mental retardation (or for that matter, autism, which is what you started this thread to whine about).

A further mystery is: in what alternate reality does the post address the questions posed to you?
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[Clayton Moore]

The Vaccine Injury Compensation Trust Fund

http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/vaccinetable.html#7




Go figure.

 

[Travis]

Is this Groundhog Day?

 

[catsmate]

Is this Groundhog Day?

He's engaging in one of the standard wooster tactics; posting previously debunked material again thinking that his own mayfly-life attention span is the norm amongst others.

 

[fullflavormenthol]

He's engaging in one of the standard wooster tactics; posting previously debunked material again thinking that his own mayfly-life attention span is the norm amongst others.

Or posting the same thing, but from different links as to create a false sense of consensus as if that would actually work. Of course it doesn't hurt to take things out of context and what not.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Modern medicine is often little more than series of profitable drugs/vaccines.

Commercial after commercial asks if you've had serious health problems after taking an approved drug to contact their legal firm. And they are drugs tested on adults and approved for adults.


As I said before, in the 50's 450 people were said to have died from measles per year. If 2011 medicine were available in the 50's how many, if any at all, would have died?

So what's the point of a measles vaccine other than profit?

I noticed no one commented on the

The Vaccine Injury Compensation Trust Fund



http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html

 

[TSR]

Modern medicine is often little more than series of profitable drugs/vaccines.

Commercial after commercial asks if you've had serious health problems after taking an approved drug to contact their legal firm. And they are drugs tested on adults and approved for adults.


As I said before, in the 50's 450 people were said to have died from measles per year. If 2011 medicine were available in the 50's how many, if any at all, would have died?

So what's the point of a measles vaccine other than profit?

I noticed no one commented on the

The Vaccine Injury Compensation Trust Fund



http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html

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Then you simply aren't paying attention.

And how many people died due to the measles in 2010?
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No, I believe we're going to help figuring why you cited a page which does not have the table you quoted -- a table which mentions neither Gardisil or mental retardation (or for that matter, autism, which is what you started this thread to whine about).

A further mystery is: in what alternate reality does the post address the questions posed to you?
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[excaza]

So what's the point of a measles vaccine other than profit?

To keep people from getting measles?

As I said before, in the 50's 450 people were said to have died from measles per year. If 2011 medicine were available in the 50's how many, if any at all, would have died?

Ah, another trip into Clayton World, where the only consequence of disease worth being concerned about is death. Hey, if it doesn't kill you, why bother preventing it?

I noticed no one commented on the

The Vaccine Injury Compensation Trust Fund
http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html

What about it?

 

[abaddon]

To keep people from getting measles?

Apparently never occured to CM

Ah, another trip into Clayton World, where the only consequence of disease worth being concerned about is death. Hey, if it doesn't kill you, why bother preventing it?

Sure, let them die, what the hey.

We still have Chicken Pox parties here.

What about it?

Not a clue why this is important.

 

[abaddon]

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Then you simply aren't paying attention.

And how many people died due to the measles in 2010?
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Or in 1910?

Or in 1810?

 

[Clayton Moore]

I backed out of this thread months ago because Clayton's posts left me with an incredible feeling of deja vu. Clayton would post some anti-vaccination "factoid.". People would explain why it was wrong. Clayton would post a different anti-vaccination snippet. People would explain why that was wrong. Clayton would ask a question. People would answer it. I would begin to feel that Clayton was beginning to understand how vaccinations and the immune system really work. Then Clayton would resurrect the same old discredited "factoid.". It is a Klein bottle of a thread.

Blah Blah Blah

http://www.prisonplanet.com/vaccine-deaths-and-injuries-skyrocket-as-cover-up-implodes.html


Vaccine Deaths And Injuries Skyrocket As Cover-Up Implodes

Global revolt against deadly vaccines spreads as cases of debilitating illnesses, soft-kill side-effects and even instant deaths become widespread


Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Monday, August 30, 2010

Cases of debilitating illnesses, soft-kill side-effects and even instant deaths as a result of vaccinations across the world are skyrocketing as the cover-up of deadly inoculations implodes and more people than ever become suspicious about what they are being injected with by health authorities who have proven they cannot be trusted.

The implosion of the vaccine cover-up is sure to discourage more parents from vaccinating their children in the coming months, with the swine flu shot now being combined with the regular seasonal flu jab. A recent Rasmussen poll found that 52 per cent of Americans were concerned about the safety of vaccines as we approach the start of school and college terms, where many children and teenagers will be “required” to take shots before they can attend.

A global revolt against dangerous vaccines is brewing following a series of cases where children have been killed as a direct result of inoculations.

A measles vaccination program in India was halted after four children died almost immediately after receiving the shot. “Four children died within minutes of receiving a vaccine for measles followed by drops of Vitamin A solution on Saturday,” reports MedGuru.

Indian newspaper reports carried eyewitness accounts of what happened. “The four children were reported to have fainted soon after they were vaccinated and witnesses reported seeing the children’s eyes roll back as they began to have seizures,” reports Blitz.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/virus-mix-up-by-lab-could-have-resulted-in-pandemic.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...e-after-bird-flu-vaccine-trial-in-Poland.html

http://www.thinktwice.com/birthcon.htm

http://www.infowars.com/rockefeller...accines-for-“mass-scale”-fertility-reduction/

http://www.prisonplanet.com/who-scientist-swine-flu-pandemic-was-completely-exaggerated.html

 

[Travis]

Modern medicine is often little more than series of profitable drugs/vaccines.

I take it you've never heard of the numerous well funded research institutes the government runs?

Commercial after commercial asks if you've had serious health problems after taking an approved drug to contact their legal firm. And they are drugs tested on adults and approved for adults.

So you've proved that there are sleazy lawyers. Awesome.

As I said before, in the 50's 450 people were said to have died from measles per year. If 2011 medicine were available in the 50's how many, if any at all, would have died?

Considering how few Americans have access to healthcare anymore (I know I don't) quite possibly a lot of them.

Of course that isn't even the point. Should you allow someone to get the measles just because they won't die from it?

So what's the point of a measles vaccine other than profit?

To keep people from getting the measles.

I noticed no one commented on the

The Vaccine Injury Compensation Trust Fund



http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html

We are all aware that it exists. What is your point?

 

[carlitos]

I backed out of this thread months ago because Clayton's posts left me with an incredible feeling of deja vu. Clayton would post some anti-vaccination "factoid.". People would explain why it was wrong. Clayton would post a different anti-vaccination snippet. People would explain why that was wrong. Clayton would ask a question. People would answer it. I would begin to feel that Clayton was beginning to understand how vaccinations and the immune system really work. Then Clayton would resurrect the same old discredited "factoid.". It is a Klein bottle of a thread.

Blah Blah Blah

http://www.prisonplanet.com/vaccine-deaths-and-injuries-skyrocket-as-cover-up-implodes.html


Vaccine Deaths And Injuries Skyrocket As Cover-Up Implodes

Global revolt against deadly vaccines spreads as cases of debilitating illnesses, soft-kill side-effects and even instant deaths become widespread

.....

A global revolt against dangerous vaccines is brewing following a series of cases where children have been killed as a direct result of inoculations.

A measles vaccination program in India was halted after four children died almost immediately after receiving the shot. “Four children died within minutes of receiving a vaccine for measles followed by drops of Vitamin A solution on Saturday,” reports MedGuru.

Indian newspaper reports carried eyewitness accounts of what happened. “The four children were reported to have fainted soon after they were vaccinated and witnesses reported seeing the children’s eyes roll back as they began to have seizures,” reports Blitz.

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At this point, it's self parody. No other explanation. Here were the explanations about 4 dead kids in India from this June:

A better link about the story with India, and by that I mean not sensationalist.

Nice find, because it also leads to this. Because the report into the trial came out a month or so ago...and it was pretty damning of the trial, at least acoording to this report. But, this quote is important to this whole thing:

The trial came under scrutiny following a public outcry over the death of seven children. Although the cause of the deaths was found to be unrelated to vaccination, the incident revealed a total failure of the mechanism to monitor the ‘volunteers' for both serious and non-serious adverse events following vaccination.

But I bet CMs favoured sources do not correct any of their reporting...

There are many vaccines that babies are getting that just don't make sense.

...to you.

The relatively new cancer vaccine that caused the immediate death of 4 young children.

Oh God! That's MUCH worse than the long, slow death of thousands of young children from the actual cancer!

ETA: OK, we're talking cervical cancer. It usually hits later in life, but does kill 79000 women a year in India.

What are the vaccine damages done to children without death as a result?

I have a nasty scar on my arm from the smallpox vaccine.

 

[Giordano]

Blah Blah Blah

http://www.prisonplanet.com/vaccine-deaths-and-injuries-skyrocket-as-cover-up-implodes.html


Vaccine Deaths And Injuries Skyrocket As Cover-Up Implodes






http://www.prisonplanet.com/virus-mix-up-by-lab-could-have-resulted-in-pandemic.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...e-after-bird-flu-vaccine-trial-in-Poland.html

http://www.thinktwice.com/birthcon.htm

http://www.infowars.com/rockefeller...accines-for-“mass-scale”-fertility-reduction/

http://www.prisonplanet.com/who-scientist-swine-flu-pandemic-was-completely-exaggerated.html

Thank you for proving my point! We've been through this before. People here have explained to you how bogus these types of links are when one actually examines the facts. I gave up when I realized there was absolutely no fact, no information, no refutation that would keep you from reposting a discredited claim over and over again. We are just in one giant loop like the joke about computer programmers being stuck in the shower because the shampoo says, "Wash, rinse, repeat."

 

[Arus808]

If the FDA is really in their pocket then why does the FDA refuse to license so many of the expensive drugs they produce?

You do realize that one of the reasons that prescriptions cost a lot of money is because the companies have to try and recoup all the money they spend on drugs the FDA refuses to approve.

and of course not pay all those scientists who spent 5-20 years researching and testing......