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I still think it is the bees knees, if that means good.....

Changing horses.

Originally you said the Moon was the bee's knees of celestial military support. Then you had to fall back and add the Lagrange points in order to cover up the shortcomings of the Moon. Then you had to fall back to adding artificial satellites to shore up the failings in the Moon-plus-Lagrange theory.

Now you've devolved into saying that the satellites themselves bear the lion's share, and the Moon-Lagrange system would just augment that. Yeah, that's why we told you we didn't need the Moon-Lagrange system, and that's what you're authors are trying to tell you.



None that you've been able to substantiate, and not without significant shortcomings that you can only solve by resorting back to the satellites we actually use.



And please see our posts for refutation.

I still think it is the bees knees(does that mean good? hope so), the moon as military satellite Jay, best platform possible, .....I was clear previously, I mentioned a system of satellites, with the moon as a key, if not THE key base. It's beautiful in a way when you think about it, if you were a military guy you'd just love it......
 
Yes and no.......

Patrick -

Would it be at all helpful for the SLBMs to have an entire network of low-frequency radio emitters spread across the globe whereby a sub might triangulate its position without surfacing?

Yes and no.......Those systems were/are good for finding oneself, but aligning a platform, determining a machine's attitude, is a different kettle of fish altogether Loss Leader....
 
So, the US successfully launched a missile from underwater in 1960.

Patrick, are you seriously contending that we deployed an entire class of submarines with nuclear weapons almost a decade before we could aim them?

How confident were the developers of the Polaris that it could hit its target under any launch condition?

What navigational limitations did the Polaris have when first deployed?

What navigational limitations did our land-based ICBMs have when first deployed?

Do you consider these to be relevant questions?
 
I still think it is the bees knees(does that mean good? hope so)...

Yes, it means a good thing. And the fact that you still think it's a good primary platform after all that's been said is just further evidence to me (and probably to everyone else) that you really have no idea what you're talking about and don't care to listen to contrary facts.

It's beautiful in a way when you think about it, if you were a military guy you'd just love it......

Uh, the military already rejected it as a stupid idea. Where were you?
 
Agreed, AND, the sub needs to raise its "antenna" to find out exactly where it is and align its own platform and that of its missiles for a SLBM launch.

You still seem burdened by the delusion that these inertial platforms must be frequently (nay, perhaps even constantly) calibrated by other means. Do you realize that ships, submarines, and airplanes navigated quite accurately and successfully long before there were artificial satellites?
 
Of course I am going to be learning as I go......

It is very telling that Patrick writes this without a hint of irony.

Pat, why do you think your "learn as you go" strategy is to be believed over people who have real world expertise in this exact subject matter?

Of course I am going to be "learning as I go" Tomblvd......I am new to Apollo, only 6 months in really, perhaps a bit more. That said, I am quite good with physics, maths and know a bit of engineering as well, so I learn quickly as must be obvious to many of the eavesdroppers. That is not to say I have not been wrong and wrong in big ways from time to time, but my theory in general is SOLID, big time......

Mine is the first fully robust theory of Apollo fraud, replete with mechanism, motive/goals, and proof of fraudulence per se to boot. My analysis is flat out historic, as surprising as this is to me. What can I say? No one has achieved what I have, and my research is entirely independent, beginning with my stumbling upon the phony Neil Armstrong Patrick Moore 1970 BBC interview in which Armstrong infamously intoned, "NO STARS NO STARS NO STARS NO STARS.........."

It is ever so ever so ever so clear that I am correct with regard to my perspective in broad outline, but some of my ideas, some of the "details" that I present, shall be proven to be incorrect. This is of course inevitable. New details will surface and these will be shown to fill in gaps as I progress and tell Apollo's story.

That said, in broad outline, my general view, Apollo was an unmanned program in which American military interests planted reconnaissance/surveillance/tracking/target assets on the moon and in other positions such as at earth moon system libration points will be vindicated absolutely. There is no question as regards this.

My recent "discovery" as it were, for want of a better term, that the AGC's protocol for sighting stars was logistically untenable, will be as time goes on, recognized as THE SINGLE MOST SIGNIFICANT EVENT IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE FRAUDULENT APOLLO PROGRAM.

Of these matters, there is, will be, absolutely no question.....
 
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Agreed, AND, the sub needs to raise its "antenna" to find out exactly where it is and align its own platform and that of its missiles for a SLBM launch.

Incorrect. The ship's INS is always kept within certain operational parameters so you may fire on short notice. In fact, you can't reset (i.e. re-align) your INS while you are using it to align the missiles INS (a procedure that can take up to 20 minutes) because it would screw up the missiles' INS and you would have to re-start the procedure. Part of the ship-to-missile communication procedure involved inhibiting the ship's INS from being able to be reset. INS were designed to go up to a month without the need to be reset. They are kept running and frequently reset while in port.

The only time you shut down your INS was when going into a shipyard for an overhaul.

The subs sight stars, genuine and artificial to find themselves, to align their platforms. During the day time, artificial stars, satellites are used matt.

Satellite navigation is more accurate than celestial navigation so it would be used regardless of time of day. Satellite navigation, prior to GPS, used the TRANSIT system: satellites 600 miles high in polar orbits. But those satellites passed within view at intervals between 30 minutes and 2 hours. You would not wait around for a satellite pass to reset your INS before you started shooting missiles.

Besides, there were other methods of fixing ship's position besides satellites and celestial.
 
Of course I am going to be "learning as I go" Tomblvd......I am new to Apollo, only 6 months in really, perhaps a bit more.

THAT is painfully apparent.

That said, I am quite good with physics, maths and know a bit of engineering as well, so I learn quickly as must be obvious to many of the eavesdroppers.

No. As you have proven many times you are woefully inadequate when it comes to the technical side of things (among other things as well).

That is not to say I have not been wrong and wrong in big ways from time to time,

Really? When? Links please?

but my theory in general is SOLID, big time......

How can you say your "theory" is solid when you admit you don't have the evidence yet?



Mine is the first fully robust theory of Apollo fraud, replete with mechanism, motive/goals, and proof of fraudulence per se to boot. My analysis is flat out historic, as surprising as this is to me.

*****snip an almost pathological amount of self-congratulation*****
Of these matters, there is, will be, absolutely no question.....

To the Moderator: How long do we have to be subjected to Patrick's excessive (and empty) boasting? This self back-patting is as useless and offensive as the personal jabs that are being edited out of the thread. No?
 
To the Moderator: How long do we have to be subjected to Patrick's excessive (and empty) boasting? This self back-patting is as useless and offensive as the personal jabs that are being edited out of the thread. No?


You are not being subjected to anything. You choose to read this thread and you choose to respond. All you have to do is ignore the thread and you no longer have to read pathalogical amounts of boasting.

On the other side of the equation, Patrick1000 is the only poster arguing against the Apollo missions. While editing out personal attacks on him does little to stop the flow of the thread, editing Patrick would essentially kill it. Thus, the continuation of the thread requires a bit of a deft hand.as far as moderation goes.

However, all posters should understand that if they are not advancing their arguments, their posts will not pass moderation or will be edited before being put through,

Furthermore, some moderators may become so concerned about the mental health of an individual poster that they find it cruel to allow that individual to continue to participate. There may come a time when that happens here, especially as it seems that one poster is rapidly unspooling.

As I have significantly participated in this thread, I would excuse myself from such a decision.
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Patrick - Is it your contention that there is or was ever a time when a US ballistic missile sub did not know its location and bearing?
 
Bulliten of Atomic Scientists June 1986 says otherwise.....

Incorrect. The ship's INS is always kept within certain operational parameters so you may fire on short notice. In fact, you can't reset (i.e. re-align) your INS while you are using it to align the missiles INS (a procedure that can take up to 20 minutes) because it would screw up the missiles' INS and you would have to re-start the procedure. Part of the ship-to-missile communication procedure involved inhibiting the ship's INS from being able to be reset. INS were designed to go up to a month without the need to be reset. They are kept running and frequently reset while in port.

The only time you shut down your INS was when going into a shipyard for an overhaul.



Satellite navigation is more accurate than celestial navigation so it would be used regardless of time of day. Satellite navigation, prior to GPS, used the TRANSIT system: satellites 600 miles high in polar orbits. But those satellites passed within view at intervals between 30 minutes and 2 hours. You would not wait around for a satellite pass to reset your INS before you started shooting missiles.

Besides, there were other methods of fixing ship's position besides satellites and celestial.

Bulletin of Atomic Scientists June 1986 says otherwise.....

From the article, MISSILE ACCURACY, AN ARMS CONTROL OPPORTUNITY, page 13, the author states that because BOOMERS/Ballistic Missile Submarines have long patrol times, even the very best of systems cannot maintain the missile in a launch ready state without frequent external updates. The author speculated that GPS would be of help in this regard. Again, this article was written in 1986. Its main point with regard to the subject of this thread is that frequent external updates were ESSENTIAL.

http://books.google.com/books?id=oQ...&resnum=4&ved=0CEIQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false
 
As the earth is turning, the Saturn V requires that its platform be constantly realigned as it is ever moving away, moving moving moving, moment to moment moving, away from its previously aligned state. They cannot allow the Saturn V bird's own independent system to take over alignment duties until roughly 17 seconds before lift off. Otherwise, the ongoing movement of the Rocket due to the earth's rotation thows everything way way way out of whack.

WHAAAT?!

Do you have the foggiest idea how an inertial guidance system works?

Apparently, it is impossible to use on, say, nuclear submarines, or aircraft, or....heck, I can't find any limit to the list here. Of craft that do very well with an inertial guidance system but don't have the need for the craft itself to be rigidly aligned at all times!!
 
Bolding mine.

Patrick1000/fattydash said:
...I am new to Apollo, only 6 months in really, perhaps a bit more...
is painfully apparent.


No, it's painfully dishonest.

Writing as "fattydash" over on AH (thread: "Re: Can We Get Along?", 7 Jul 2011, 10:38am):

fattydash/Patrick1000 said:
I have been consistant in my position as regards the astronuats for years. They lied and participated in a fraud,...
 
Mighty tall order.......

Incorrect. The ship's INS is always kept within certain operational parameters so you may fire on short notice. In fact, you can't reset (i.e. re-align) your INS while you are using it to align the missiles INS (a procedure that can take up to 20 minutes) because it would screw up the missiles' INS and you would have to re-start the procedure. Part of the ship-to-missile communication procedure involved inhibiting the ship's INS from being able to be reset. INS were designed to go up to a month without the need to be reset. They are kept running and frequently reset while in port.

The only time you shut down your INS was when going into a shipyard for an overhaul.



Satellite navigation is more accurate than celestial navigation so it would be used regardless of time of day. Satellite navigation, prior to GPS, used the TRANSIT system: satellites 600 miles high in polar orbits. But those satellites passed within view at intervals between 30 minutes and 2 hours. You would not wait around for a satellite pass to reset your INS before you started shooting missiles.

Besides, there were other methods of fixing ship's position besides satellites and celestial.

Mighty tall order.......

At the tale end of a Popular Science, May 1958 article, QUICK TRIGGER MISSILE, the author claims the missile's guidance system must know EXACTLY where it is for the launch to be successful in terms of providing the requisite accuracy.

http://books.google.com/books?id=xi...age&q=polaris missile guidance system&f=false
 
Bulletin of Atomic Scientists June 1986 says otherwise.....


No, it doesn't state otherwise. Once again you are taking a non-specific term and defining it to your narrow definition so you won't have to admit you're wrong. The article didn't define "frequent". Is it once an hour, once a day, once a week, once a month?

The article never mentions the ship's INS has to be reset prior to spinning up the missiles, which was your ridiculously incorrect premise.
 
At the tale end of a Popular Science, May 1958 article, QUICK TRIGGER MISSILE, the author claims the missile's guidance system must know EXACTLY where it is for the launch to be successful in terms of providing the requisite accuracy.

http://books.google.com/books?id=xi...age&q=polaris missile guidance system&f=false

But he, like you, fails to quantify just how "exactly" the position must be known in order to destroy the intended target with a 6 megaton explosion.

You haven't demonstrated that there was a problem which needed addressing, let alone that equipment placed on the moon would be the sensible way to solve it.

(The same magazine has a fun article talking about collecting samples of moonrock by dropping a nuke on the surface and flying through the dust plume. This feat to be achieved in the mid-1970s, with a view to a manned landing by the year 2000.)
 
Mighty tall order.......


Yes it is and the tall order was met. They are incredibly complex machines. Each ESGN suite consisted of 2 Inertial Measuring Units (IMU) and the IMUs would fail about three times a year. One IMU costs a quarter of a million dollars. The gyros spin at about 2500 RPS. That is revolutions per second. The gyros were 1 cm beryllium balls milled to within 25 millionths of an inch. It takes 3 days to spin up, thermally equalize, and stabilize an ESGN.

At the tale end of a Popular Science, May 1958 article, QUICK TRIGGER MISSILE, the author claims the missile's guidance system must know EXACTLY where it is for the launch to be successful in terms of providing the requisite accuracy.

http://books.google.com/books?id=xi...age&q=polaris missile guidance system&f=false

This isn't the first time you've been caught quote-mining, Dr. Socks. The very next sentence says, "SINS, which has been tested in a year of voyages by a special vessel called the Compass Island, can give the geographical coordinates of a spot beneath the waves as precisely as if it were a street corner in your hometown."

Now pray tell, what navigation system was in place in 1958 to provide that accuracy.
 
Ballistic missile sub no.....

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Patrick - Is it your contention that there is or was ever a time when a US ballistic missile sub did not know its location and bearing?

Ballistic missile sub no.....

Then again, my reading on subs is not all that extensive, not yet anyway. I do recall in my reading about the Nautilus' voyage under the cap to the North Pole that there were problems with the famous boat's inertial platform. But I am not positive, and do not recall the specifics regarding that case/situation. They were not frankly lost, but there were navigational problems in that regard. If you are curious, I could review my materials on the Nautilus and give you those specifics. As I recall, It was somewhat interesting to me, piqued my curiosity as regards sub navigation.

Obviously, the Apollo subject matter has carried me generally into the world of missile subs, so I'll be reading more and more about sub navigation, sub guidance, and the alignment of sub SLBM platforms as time goes on. The references I gave earlier on in the thread from popular magazines I thought were fairly solid, the ones about satellites being used as navigational stars for the obvious reason that a genuine star might not be conveniently sightable, especially during the day time. If I do turn up anything with regard to your question specifically, to the effect that a sub had gotten itself flat out lost, I'll bring it to the attention of the the forum members here.

My claim is that sub platform drift is not inconsequential and alignments need to be made from time to time. In some cases, alignments would have to be made just before launch given the concerns unique to the sub situation. For example, the missile bucks and broncs as it frees itself from the sea, wiggling this way and that to find and then fully engage the the air. The inertial platform is maintained through these sea wrestling machinations and the weapon, so freed, finds its true course once in the air expressly because platform orientation is so marvelously well maintained.

That said, given the unusual circumstances, any consequences of platform alignment imprecision will be magnified some in the special SLBM case. A platform cannot be shaken about with absolute impunity. There will be some negative fallout, accuracy consequences realized. As such, things need to be squared up as best they can be before a SLBM launch.
 
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Though my claim applies perhaps most significantly to SLBMs...

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Patrick - Is it your contention that there is or was ever a time when a US ballistic missile sub did not know its location and bearing?

Though my claim applies perhaps most significantly to SLBMs Loss Leader, land based ICBMs also require platform alignment checks prior to launch. Again I would refer the interested to the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists Publication from June 1986;

http://books.google.com/books?id=oQ...&resnum=4&ved=0CEIQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false

On page 13 the author reminds us that a SLBM's accuracy is not solely dependent on the missile's intrinsic accuracy per se, the submarine's navigation system must find itself and supply the missile with the weapon's initial ever so critical data. The sub's system, like the missiles' is inertial. Nevertheless, "reasonably frequent external updates are essential". How would such a reasonably frequent update be made? Well by the only way possible, by way of a star sighting(s), whether that be of a genuine or artificial/satellite star(s).

The authors go on to point out, also on page 13, that in the case of fixed silo land based missiles, initial position and velocity are better known than is the case with the SLBMs and the subs that tote them. That said, the correct prelaunch alignment of the platform must be ensured. A small error here can easily mean a large target miss. This is explicitly stated by the authors. The authors go on further to state that in the case of early missiles the alignment process was painstakingly done by hand. It was a "manual task". By 1986 it had become automated in some cases to some degree, but was not fool proof. What is not explicitly discussed by the authors in this article is the method of platform alignment. It is celestial, done by way of sighting stars, stars genuine, or stars artificial/satellite emitters, and that is whether the sightings are done manually, or by way of an automated method. This is the only method available. This is what it means to align a platform. It means to synch it with the stars/satellites. And sink the birds with gravity as well !!!, but we shall get to the gravity points later.

So with sea based SLBM or with ground based ICBMs Loss Leader, in either case, the platform alignment is critical. It must be done not infrequently at sea, and must be done prelaunch extremely precisely for the land based ICBMs to find their targets. As such star synchronization cannot be reliably be done with native stars 24/7, satellites are used as well to help the platforms find themselves.

I'll cover the issue of gravity synchronization, alignment in later posts dedicated to that particular aspect of alignment concerns/difficulties.

My basic contention is that some of these artificial signals, artificial starlight, in fact came from, comes from the moon. In later posts, I shall argue how the gravitational geodetic data may well have come from Apollo's military moon work as well.
 
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Bulletin of Atomic Scientists June 1986 says otherwise...

Matt is writing from Groton, CT. Patrick, in case that location isn't familiar to you, there is one thing that Groton is famous for, and it's not their shoe industry. When someone who lives in Groton starts telling you about how nuclear submarines and their armaments work, you had better pay attention.

From the article, MISSILE ACCURACY, AN ARMS CONTROL OPPORTUNITY, page 13, the author...

...who is a professor of sociology writing in a pacifist-leaning, non-technical public policy magazine. Really? Is this the source you think successfully contradicts a professional submariner?

...because BOOMERS/Ballistic Missile Submarines have long patrol times, even the very best of systems cannot maintain the missile in a launch ready state without frequent external updates.

No, in the author's words "reasonably frequent" (emphasis added). How frequent is that, Patrick? Every hour? Every day? Every month? Why did you leave out that qualifier?

And I wonder how you missed where the author wrote two pages earlier (p. 11), "The central point about inertial guidance is that it is fundamentally self-contained. It does not rely upon external inputs such as radio signals or star sightings (though these can supplement an inertial system)" (emphasis added).

Does your author think Apollo was real? Yes! (p. 14). He describes Apollo as a second-generation intertial guidance system with a nominal drift rate of 0.01 degree per hour. So in the 23 minutes you say Al Worden wouldn't have been able to see the stars to "navigate," the platform will have drifted about 0.004 degree. Please list and document an Apollo procedure that the CSM would have to undertake while in lunar orbit with a landed crew that requires greater than that precision from the IMU.

How long at that rate, according to your author, would it take the Apollo IMU to drift so far that the guide stars will no longer be in the sextant field of view? Eighty hours! Yes, after the initial platform alignment, the astronauts could fly all the way to the Moon without having to pull their heads away from the sextant eyepiece and exclaim, "Dude, where's my star?"

Again, this article was written in 1986.

...as forward-looking speculation by a non-expert author on a technical subject in a non-technical publication intended for a lay audience. The author is not describing a system that then existed, but what he believed might come to exist as newer strategic missiles came to be designed and deployed. Further, you seem to have skipped the entire second half of the article where the author describes the advent of third-generation inertial systems.

I wonder why you continue to rely exclusively on popular sources while you're talking to professional engineers and relevant technicians. Isn't that a little like bringing a noodle to a knife fight? You cite non-technical sources, and then you try to fill in the technical gaps yourself. Do you see how that wouldn't work?

Its main point with regard to the subject of this thread is that frequent external updates were ESSENTIAL.

No, read the article again. He's not talking about any specific system. That's why he isn't giving out any specific numbers here, as he does elsewhere when discussing actual existing platforms.

He's simply showing the relationship between the accuracy of the missile and the precision of the navigational start point. He's not saying anything like, "Today's missiles require frequent INS updates." No, he just got done explaining in layman's terms how basic missile guidance works. Then in this paragraph he adds the factor of launching from a mobile platform, where accuracy in the platform position affects overall missile accuracy. He says that to achieve "extremely high accuracy," that can be achieved in his opinion by "frequent external updates."

All this does is to qualitatively connect a certain expectation to a certain requirement. It doesn't make a case for how much accuracy is achievable or desired, nor how frequent an update would therefore be necessary or practical. Not one single operational detail is provided. Matt, who is experienced in these matters, is providing you with the operational details, but you disregard him.

Simply showing a putative cause and effect doesn't quantify either one. You are trying to use this article to quantify "frequent" updates, but it refuses to do so. Instead of listening to the college professor who sits at his desk all day and writes articles on how to disarm the world, why don't you pay attention to the guy who stands watch on submarines and operates the guidance and navigation systems.

At the tale end of a Popular Science, May 1958 article, QUICK TRIGGER MISSILE...

And now we're going for a 60-year-old article in another popular magazine?

the author claims the missile's guidance system must know EXACTLY where it is...

"Exactly" to what precision? With what tolerance? Those are the important questions if you're an engineer, and your article here doesn't give you any help either. You have nothing here that says how frequently, if at all, the submarine's guidance system has to be updated in order to achieve its mission requirements.

It's also rather disingenuous of you to split this hair without going on to quote the next paragraph in which your author reports that the problem is solved by using submarine inertial navigation. You leave it hanging as if we don't know how to solve the problem.

So one again your author disagrees: he says that as of 1958, the submarine is capable of starting the missile off with a good set of launch site coordinates.

And frankly, I think it's absolutely hilarious that both the articles you cite go on to either mention or discuss in great depth the work of Charles S. Draper, who designed the Apollo guidance system. He is the undisputed master of inertial navigation and all that must be done to maintain its accuracy, and his work on Apollo was extremely well documented.

So on the one hand there is the father and grand engineer of an entire important science telling us he build a machine to successfully navigate to the Moon. And on the other hand there is Patrick from California, who "knows a little engineering" and has determined infallibly that it can't have worked. What's wrong with this picture?
 
As the earth is turning, the Saturn V requires that its platform be constantly realigned as it is ever moving away, moving moving moving, moment to moment moving, away from its previously aligned state. They cannot allow the Saturn V bird's own independent system to take over alignment duties until roughly 17 seconds before lift off.

You're so not an engineer. "Cannot allow" the Saturn V's "independent" system to perform alignment duties?

Where to begin?

First, every INS has to get its initial conditions somehow. Some, such as for aircraft or marine use, can boostrap their initial conditions. Others have to be spoon-fed it for various reasons.

The ones we use on rockets have to be spoon-fed, because they aren't meant to navigate in an Earth environment. For Earth navigation, gimballed INS platforms have to be kept aligned with local horizontal and vertical, so that their accelerometers stay aligned with the cardinal directions of the vehicle's reference frame. That means they have to actively compensate for the vehicle's motion over the spherical Earth, and for the Earth's rotation, by driving their gimbals in teeny steps constantly. This is not the same as gyrocompassing, which can leave the platform unaligned.

Similarly we want a launch vehicle to start its flight with its accelerometers aligned properly to the vehicle axes. But after the vehicle leaves the ground, it's its own animal in inertial space and doesn't need any further relative reference to the ground, such as in terrestrial gyronavigation. It's headed for space.

Yes if we were to align the platform hours before launch, it would have disaligned to a useless position by launch time. And we could conceivably wait to do any alignment until a few seconds before launch. But for mechanical reasons we inch the platform along periodically rather than do a sweeping realignment. It turns out to be more accurate to move the platform in small steps.

Second, this is not a platform drift. There is one kind of alignment required to correct for the bias in gyroscopes, their tendency not to stay exactly perfectly oriented in inertial space. They will drift ever so slightly over time, leading to accumulated errors in dead reckoning.

The operation to align the Saturn V's platform seconds before launch was not because of any inherent flaw or property of inertial navigation, or of the workmanship and accuracy of the Saturn V's IMU, but simply because the rocket was constantly moving.

All rockets are susceptible to this. Hence we give a final platform alignment to a gimballed IMU seconds before launch on any rocket. Except now with strapdown systems, we can simply do it mathematically. But for gimballed systems a final, last-second alignment has always been needed.

No, this does not support your contention that INS platforms always require frequent alignment. This particular source of disalignment requires a last-second update, and we do it in steps as an optimization, not a requirement.

Third, the Schuler effect means that the actual correction to platform orientation is non-trivial for most terrestrial latitudes. To build it into a rocket as an onboard system is pretty silly, considering it's useless the moment the rocket's engine ignites. As something that ceases to be useful the instant the rocket leaves the ground, the Earth-rotation calibration system stays on the ground -- where it can be used incidentally for another rocket. There's no requirement that the alignment system for this particular phenomenon be collocated with the platform. It can be any practical distance away; you just need longer wires.

"Cannot allow" is misleading. It makes it seem like the guidance platform is struggling with some intractable problem, when in fact the task in question has simply been properly offloaded to ground support.

"Independent" suggests that correction for this phenomenon ought to be part of the system itself. In fact, it's useless when the system is operating, and the Saturn V platform needs no further drift compensation. Unlike the long-term navigation systems, the Saturn V's need only work for a couple of hours. Then it is discarded.

Stars would be great, but the ground based missiles cannot "find a star" in the day time [...] under the bright sky, nor can the subs find stars at sea when they are submerged.

Actually a submarine would have to come to periscope depth under your scenario to shoot either stars or satellites. So your system provides no advantage to the submarine. And that's why we use a combination of INS calibration techniques, some of which can operate while submerged and have nothing at all to do with instrumenting the Moon.

As for the missiles themselves, they sight stars at the end of the boost phase when they're near the apex of their half-orbit, in space. Basically by the same method used in the SR-71.

For the uninitiated, an ICBM or SLBM mission consists of three phases, a boost phase accomplished by the first stage(s) of the rocket (hence the legacy name "booster" for any general rocket), a midcourse phase in which a secondary propulsion and guidance system sends each warhead on its programmed trajectory from orbit, and a terminal phase where the warhead enters the atmosphere and explodes over its target.

With old single-warhead missiles, the middle phase was unpowered; the booster was required to insert the warhead into its proper ballistic velocity state. In Polaris and later systems, the midcourse sustainer engine and onboard guidance and control system aimed and detached each warhead reentry vehicle off the bus along a separate ballistic trajectory.

Before doing so, it can use star sighting in orbit to correct any dispersions in its platform, whether they arose from booster dispersion or submarine position errors. This is the part that Donald MacKenzie apparently didn't know about when he wrote his article. Basically this strategy partially decouples missile accuracy from submarine navigational accuracy.

And we use this same procedure today for peaceful commercial launches. The payload deployment stage is able to correct for any accumulated dispersions during the ascent, before sending the mission on to its final trajectory or orbit.

We sight our artificial stars, our satellite emmiters, on the moon...

...which, for any given submarine, has line of sight for only a few hours each day.

...at key libration points

...which are mostly unstable and cannot accommodate a spacecraft.

...and elsewhere in space/in earth orbit as need be...

...which need we've demonstrated will almost always be, because of the unaddressed shortcomings in your Moon-Lagrange theory, and why this is the only part of your theory that actually makes any sense and upon which we naturally therefore rely.

...and so gain the data within moment's notice to align our ICBM inertial platforms

Nope, that's not how it works. The missile gets its reference "at a moment's notice" from the submarine, whose own reference is always kept within certain tolerances. In modern times, the missile can then correct itself for boost dispersion at a trajectory-optimal time, thus freeing the submarine from the need to maintain a very high tolerance fix at all times.

Frightening isn't it Jack by the hedge?

Yes, because you manufactured your straw man for no other reason than to be frightening. It's a good thing the real Navy doesn't have to do it that way, or understand the problem as poorly as you do.

Yet true, because after all, there really is no other alternative explanation for things.

Um, the very obvious alternative explanation for things is that you don't know what you're talking about, and you're inventing "problems" and ineffectual "solutions" to correspond to your beliefs, not to real life. You still can't reconcile your theory with your own arguments, much less with the facts or with the concerted opinions of qualified experts.

By your own standard: inconsistent and therefore untrue.
 
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