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Miragememories said:
The explosions in the mix are audible but not that loud. Being a mix though, it is impossible to say what the original recorded levels were.
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Post the video link and we will see exactly how dissimilar the example is to the WTC7 collapse.

Most notably that there is no resemblance in the collapse sequence, between the sound, and...
The interesting thing is the descending penthouse, which completes its collapse into the main structure, before global collapse is initiated.
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...of course the absence of an 8 second delay between the initiation and then the critical global failure of the structure in your example.

Miragememories said:
Okay, carry on rolling your eyes. Don't hurt yourself.
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Your example demonstrates the very reason why I'm critical of the 9/11truth movement, and categorically reject the credibility of its so called professionals. You provide examples that completely contradict the conclusion you preemptively determined and turn a blind eye to the mistakes you make. It's irresponsible.
 
Miragememories said:
"Well it is a sound mix (includes Mark's voiceover), but since it is a classic controlled demolition with the windows removed, I don't think a sound comparison would be that relevant.

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The explosions in the mix are audible but not that loud. Being a mix though, it is impossible to say what the original recorded levels were.

The interesting thing is the descending penthouse, which completes its collapse into the main structure, before global collapse is initiated."
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Grizzly Bear said:
"Post the video link and we will see exactly how dissimilar the example is to the WTC7 collapse.

Most notably that there is no resemblance in the collapse sequence, between the sound, and...

...of course the absence of an 8 second delay between the initiation and then the critical global failure of the structure in your example.

Your example demonstrates the very reason why I'm critical of the 9/11truth movement, and categorically reject the credibility of its so called professionals. You provide examples that completely contradict the conclusion you preemptively determined and turn a blind eye to the mistakes you make. It's irresponsible."
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I am not claiming the video will show an identical collapse scenario. What is the point, since you will nitpick every detail that fails to match in order to dismiss the comparison.

You are already creating an argument from assumptions; "...no resemblance in the collapse sequence, between the sound, absence of an 8 second delay between the initiation and then the critical global failure.."

What is comparable to WTC7 is this;

-the building is a large steel-structured highrise

-it has several penthouses, with the largest being somewhat taller than the WTC7 east penthouse

-when the engineers for CDI initiated the building implosion sequence, the main penthouse collapsed through the roof before global collapse began

-with the classic kink, global collapse follows the collapsed main penthouse

MM
 
miragememories said:
well it is a sound mix (includes mark's voiceover), but since it is a classic controlled demolition with the windows removed, i don;t think a sound comparison would be that relevant.

the explosions in the mix are audible but not that loud. Being a mix though, it is impossible to say what the original recorded levels were.

The interesting thing is the descending penthouse, which completes its collapse into the main structure, before global collapse is initiated.

Okay, carry on rolling your eyes. Don't hurt yourself.

mm
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ftfy
 
Miragememories said:
I am not claiming the video will show an identical collapse scenario. What is the point, since you will nitpick every detail that fails to match in order to dismiss the comparison.

You are already creating an argument from assumptions; "...no resemblance in the collapse sequence, between the sound, absence of an 8 second delay between the initiation and then the critical global failure.."

What is comparable to WTC7 is this;

-the building is a large steel-structured highrise

-it has several penthouses, with the largest being somewhat taller than the WTC7 east penthouse

-when the engineers for CDI initiated the building implosion sequence, the main penthouse collapsed through the roof before global collapse began

-with the classic kink, global collapse follows the collapsed main penthouse

MM
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Given your propensity to lie why should we believe a single word of the above?
What is the name of that building? When was it demolished? Your reluctance to post a link to the video suggest s that this is just another cherry picked piece of data that if we saw it in its entirety would make it quite clear that neither the building nor the the audio (or likely any other video) bear much resemblance at all to WTC7.
 
Miragememories said:
I am not claiming the video will show an identical collapse scenario. What is the point, since you will nitpick every detail that fails to match in order to dismiss the comparison.
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Wow! Impressive backtrack in such a short span of time. From:
Miragememories said:
Seems to bear an amazing resemblance to the WTC7 initial collapse.
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To:
Miragememories said:
I don;t think a sound comparison would be that relevant.
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To:
Miragememories said:
I am not claiming the video will show an identical collapse scenario.
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In three (count 'em...3 posts.

You sure you're a Mother Corp cutter?

How about the link to the video, big fella? Or is it going to undercut your assertion altogether?
 
fitzgibbon said:
I get the impression that MM thinks he's the only video professional on the board. It must be upsetting to find out:

a) He isn't
and
b) There's another one with equal (if not more extensive) experience that happens to work in the city he claims to. Mind you I'm sure Compost and Scrivo would mean nothing to him
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That seems to be a problem for a lot of woos that land here. In their own little sphere on the internet they have a following and their posts are respected, it comes as quite a shock to them to face opposition of any kind let alone what they run into on the JREF so they respond with hostility and it goes downhill from there.
 
Miragememories said:
You are already creating an argument from assumptions; "...no resemblance in the collapse sequence, between the sound, absence of an 8 second delay between the initiation and then the critical global failure.."
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And by not posting the video clip of the example you are providing your audience with incomplete information. I'm quite confident that, when presented with the video recording of the event in full, we can see precisely the differences between this and the parallel you're attempting to draw to WTC 7. Nit pick or none you need to provide more information.


Miragememories said:
What is comparable to WTC7 is this;

-the building is a large steel-structured highrise

-it has several penthouses, with the largest being somewhat taller than the WTC7 east penthouse

-when the engineers for CDI initiated the building implosion sequence, the main penthouse collapsed through the roof before global collapse began

-with the classic kink, global collapse follows the collapsed main penthouse

MM
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- I'm highly confident that the similarities end at "the building is a large steel-structured highrise", assuming your assumption of the buildings construction is correct. Please provide the name of the building used in your example. We can then verify firstly whether or not your assumption on the building materiality is correct; and then secondly, whether its structural framing system is similar enough to hold value as a direct comparison to "7" or if the scope of the comparison has to be limited.

- The penthouse points are insignificant. You're simply trying to show that the collapse of the penthouse is a visual sign of the controlled demolition, and spontaneous appearances are quite shallow.

Miragememories said:
I am not claiming the video will show an identical collapse scenario. What is the point, since you will nitpick every detail that fails to match in order to dismiss the comparison.
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If you do not provide complete information your argument will be received with perfectly legit skepticism. Simple details such as the audio track will actually be quite more than enough to make the difference clear, however the rest would simply demonstrate whether or not you're able to make legitimate comparisons in architecture. Since you like spontaneous resemblance so much my confidence in your ability to do the latter remains quite low
 
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Miragememories said:
I thought this was of significant interest.

This is how Mark Loizeaux, President of Controlled Demolitions Inc., demolishes a highrise with a penthouse. In this case the penthouse is somewhat taller than the WTC7 east penthouse.

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Seems to bear an amazing resemblance to the WTC7 initial collapse.

Go figure.

MM
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You're really reaching.....
 
Ah, thanks a bunch Res. I'll see if there's any way to find out which building it was then, or see if there's better video out there. This one's not only voiced over, but it's also slow motion. Not very good quality to work with
 
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Grizzly Bear said:
Ah, thanks a bunch Res. I'll see if there's any way to find out which building it was then, or see if there's better video out there. This one's not only voiced over, but it's also slow motion. Not very good quality to work with
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It really does not even look like the penthouse is actually a penthouse at all. The main building is a "U" shape. Look at the far ends of the building.
 
Drs_Res said:
It really does not even look like the penthouse is actually a penthouse at all. The main building is a "U" shape. Look at the far ends of the building.
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Then we're already looking at something totally different than WTC 7. The only reason I suggested better video was for the audio signature, which I expect will be largely ignored even if a good copy of it is found. The argument that is forced in is the notion that the recordings of the WTC 7 event were "poor" (when they weren't as "poor" as the theorists suggest, there were no loud "bangs").
 
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That's the one. And as I speculated above, the "penthouse" was NOT a penthouse.
I'd still like to know what building it was and see the the demo by itself with audio.
 
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