Occupy Wall Street better defend its identity

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WildCat said:
Ron Paul is against the Fed, because he's a loon who wants to go backwards to the gold standard. The only regulation of it he wants is tire the hands of the hated Federal Reserve system.

In cae you are unaware, the federal reserve banks do not give mortgage loans, auto loans, checking accounts, savings accounts, etc etc. They are not typical banks.
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I like Ron Paul for a few reasons. He does stand by his principles and doesn't modify them to please people. He's appeared on the Colbert Report and Daily Show unapologetically. He's eminently electable as a Congressman.

I'd never consider voting for him though because he's a loon.
 
JihadJane said:
"Seattle now joins such cities as Los Angeles, Buffalo, NY, Victoria, BC, and San Francisco in its support of the Occupy movement. The Council today passed resolution 31337 recognizing and supporting the exercise of First Amendment rights by Occupy Seattle as a fundamental right in the effort to redress economic injustice in America today."
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Well that is surely reassuring, that the council supports the first amendment. I was wondering about that for so long. Then there's this gem:
2) address the circumstances and causes of home foreclosures in Seattle, the financial institutions involved in the foreclosures and the methods, tactics and apparent inequities in those foreclosures
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Finally, we really get to the bottom of the financial crisis! Thank god for the Seattle city council. What on earth would we do without them? They really know how to prioritize their agenda!
 
WildCat said:
Ironically, one of the demands of OWS is repeal of the 1st Amendment.
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How many tea party and "ACTUAL CONSERVATIVE POLITICIANS" have called for the repealing of the 13th-16th amendments? Even if this were true (which I respectfully doubt) OWS is by no means an actual organized political party. Fortunately there isn't an OWS party petitioning votes and entering elections. Again, OWS is far from one political movement. So what one group petitions for, another group may disagree with. This is why I have a fair amount of doubt about this sweeping generalization your making. It was most likely a subset of the OWS movement. A far cry from the organized loonery of the tea/republican party.

WildCat said:
http://www.facebook.com/OccupyCitizensUnited
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This is really something you have going there. 29 likes and 17 discussions, oh the horror... they must really be plotting to take down American democracy... :rolleyes:
 
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L.Y.S. said:
How many tea party and "ACTUAL CONSERVATIVE POLITICIANS" have called for the repealing of the 13th-16th amendments?
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So the occutards have to balance out the tea tards by demanding the repeal of the 1st Amendment?

L.Y.S. said:
Even if this were true (which I respectfully doubt)
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Proof: http://www.facebook.com/OccupyCitizensUnited

L.Y.S. said:
OWS is by no means an actual organized political party.
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Neither is the tea party...

L.Y.S. said:
Fortunately there isn't an OWS party petitioning votes and entering elections.
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Too bad, it would be hilarious! Anyway, it's going to be hard to bring the change they want without enterring the political process.

L.Y.S. said:
Again, OWS is far from one political movement.
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You say that like it's a good thing. Of course it's not one political movement, they have to stand for every lunatic fringe idea out there to draw a few hundred people to a occupy rally.

L.Y.S. said:
So what one group petitions for, another group may disagree with. This is why I have a fair amount of doubt about this sweeping generalization your making. It was most likely a subset of the OWS movement. A far cry from the organized loonery of the tea/republican party.
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True or false: most occupiers disagree with the Citizens United case affirming the right of freee speech

L.Y.S. said:
This is really something you have going there. 29 likes and 17 discussions, oh the horror... they must really be plotting to take down American democracy... : rolleyes:
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http://cache.abovethelaw.com/uploads/2011/10/Occupy-Wall-Street-4-Citizens-United.jpg

http://cache.abovethelaw.com/uploads/2011/10/Occupy-Wall-Street-3-Citizens-United.jpg

Oh look, here's 7 Dems who want to repeal the 1st Amendment! http://inthesetimes.com/ittlist/ent..._dems_take_on_citizens_united_in_u.s._senate/

Damn that 1st Amendment!
 
bikerdruid said:
huh??
this is no proof of anything.
a link to a facebook page where anyone can post?
really......
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I have shown signs at Occupy rallies demanding that Citizens United be repealed.

And Occupy is leaderless, remember? Everyone's demand is as good and "official" as anyone else's demand. You don't get to play the "no true Occupier" game.
 
TruthersLie said:
You are still ignoring a simple question. .
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I haven't ignored it. I have suggested that your question is nothing but irrelevant, curtain-twitching mud slinging (smear). What is the purpose and relevance of your question, if not this?

(see Composition Fallacy)

The US is a very sick society, with an epidemic of mental illness and violence.



portlandatheist said:
In this photo essay at oregonlive, you can see some of the spent needles left behind not to mention the complete mess that our parks were left in.
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Are you hallucinating again?


stilicho said:
At Occupy Vancouver, the dolts are lighting open fires--pretending they are some kind of sacred aboriginal ceremony
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They weren't pretending.
 
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Let me know if anyone comes up with an "alternative future" that isn't stupid.
 
WildCat said:
Ron Paul is against the Fed, because he's a loon who wants to go backwards to the gold standard. The only regulation of it he wants is aimed at tieing the hands of the hated Federal Reserve system in order to kill it.
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I'm curious, do you think that senior figures in the banking industry would share your opinion of Ron Paul's ideas? I mean, would Vikram Pandit, Jamie Dimon, Lloyd Blankfein, Ben Bernanke, etc., view Ron's call for an end to Fractional Reserve Banking as hostile to their fortunes? Or would they see it as a friendly idea from someone who wants to give them an easy ride?

In case you are unaware, the federal reserve banks do not give mortgage loans, auto loans, checking accounts, savings accounts, etc etc. They are not typical banks, and to use Pauls irrational and misguided attempts at destroying the Fed as evidence he wants banking regulation is ridiculous.
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Not quite as ridiculous as your belief in, 'Ron Paul, banker's friend'.
 
bikerdruid said:
so your claim is less than accurate....i see.:rolleyes:
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It's as accurate as any other claim of what OWS stands for. And anyone who has a problem with the Citizens United decision has a problem with the 1st Amendment.
 
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