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Don't take anything Robert posts at face value. You have to go back several pages but the jet effect is something Robert pulled out of his own ass to unhoist himself from his own petard.
Some background: Robert posted a forensic description of the nature of entrance and exit wounds, the former being small and round, the latter being large and jagged. His contention is that JFK was shot in the right front of his head from a bullet coming from the area of the Grassy Knoll.
When it was pointed out that the Zapruter film, given the forensic description that Robert himself posted, showed the exact opposite, he had to scramble and came up with the jet effect... which as it turns out is the exact opposite of what Robert thinks it is.
The jet effect, as it relates to head wounds, shows that the spray of blood and tissue would be on the side of the exit wound, not the entry wound as Robert claims.
Penn and Teller demonstrated the effect as it relates to the JFK head wound on their BS cable show. The photos below show (in sequence top to bottom) a bullet entering a melon from the left and exiting on the right. Notice the pronounced jet effect in the first picture as the bullet exits.
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Here's a video of the segment from Penn and Teller show.
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Nonsense. A honeydoo melon has no outer resistance unlike the harden skull bone. But when a bullet hits something hard, there must be a jet effect as in these first three examples in this slow motion video:
Nonsense. A honeydoo melon has no outer resistance unlike the harden skull bone. But when a bullet hits something hard, there must be a jet effect as in these first three examples in this slow motion video:
Also, you gotta stop posting that hi-speed camera video, it really does nothing to help your case. Seriously. Nothing at all. It just makes you look really bad.
I'm sure RP can tell us where he's read about firing a gun.
I recall blowing the heart right out of a running deer, hitting it in the lower left chest.
Shotgun at about 8-10 feet, no time for the #4 buckshot to disperse, it went though as a slug.
The deer didn't even slow down for another 150 feet.
Had a 12 gauge hole in the lower left side of the chest, and a nice large wound on the right side.
Small hole in, large hole out is typical of gunshot wounds.
The beveling of the structure the projectile passes through also indicates the direction of penetration.
Anyone that's shot a B-B at a glass window can testify to the small hole on the impact side, and the crater of shattered glass on the other side of the glass.
This beveling of the inshoot hole was noted at the autopsy.
WCR page 541, first paragraph...
Nonsense. A honeydoo melon has no outer resistance unlike the harden skull bone. But when a bullet hits something hard, there must be a jet effect as in these first three examples in this slow motion video:
Robert, you often forget what you've posted but do you expect that we have forgotten too? I suppose a "honeydoo" melon has more "outer resistance" than a water balloon, which is the example you used.
Here's an idea for you. Fill a balloon with water to the point where it might burst Then place the balloon about once inch from your face. Then take a needle and burst the balloon right in front of your face. If you get a face-full of water, you have just experience the "jet effect."
You've also posted that video before. Please look at the bullet being fired at the 5:50 mark on the video or at this still courtesy of I Ratant. Kinda shows something different from what you think the "jet effect" is, don't it?
Honestly Robert, we don't want to laugh at you. Please don't make us.
When it was pointed out that the Zapruter film, given the forensic description that Robert himself posted, showed the exact opposite, he had to scramble and came up with the jet effect... which as it turns out is the exact opposite of what Robert thinks it is.
The jet effect, as it relates to head wounds, shows that the spray of blood and tissue would be on the side of the exit wound, not the entry wound as Robert claims.
Penn and Teller demonstrated the effect as it relates to the JFK head wound on their BS cable show. The photos below show (in sequence top to bottom) a bullet entering a melon from the left and exiting on the right. Notice the pronounced jet effect in the first picture as the bullet exits.
[qimg]http://i43.tinypic.com/oif4v6.jpg[/qimg]
Here's a video of the segment from the Penn and Teller show.
Google Video This video is not hosted by the ISF, the ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.
MythBusters also did the jet effect replication with the same results. In fact everyone who has done the actual test, from Loius Alvarez on, has demostrated the effect.
Below is the drawing you posted showing a big gaping exit wound on the back of Kennedy's head from the description of Dr. McClelland as he said he saw it in the Parkland trauma room.
What amazes me is that Robert's claims of where the shooter was and the wound sustained make no sense but he can't even see that. Kennedy was looking down and to his left when hit by the fatal shot. There is no way that a bullet fired from the rail yard fence could have entered above the ear and exited the right side of the back of the head, in fact any bullet that did that would have had to have been fired from the floor of the car. A shot from the rail yard fence that entered the tight temple would have exited the left side of the back of the head.
I really do love how the Parkland doctors are not allowed to change their statements. We always have to go back to the ones that vaguely support RPs case.
Compare that to poor Marianne. She was wrong when she said she took the backyard photos. Right when she said she didn't. And apparently wrong to change her mind again.
Oh and rob, which is a skull more like? A water balloon or a steel plate? Why does the jet effect occur on the exit wound when using ballistic jelly, a medium designed to be a human tissue analogue?
I really do love how the Parkland doctors are not allowed to change their statements. We always have to go back to the ones that vaguely support RPs case.
Compare that to poor Marianne. She was wrong when she said she took the backyard photos. Right when she said she didn't. And apparently wrong to change her mind again.
Oh and rob, which is a skull more like? A water balloon or a steel plate? Why does the jet effect occur on the exit wound when using ballistic jelly, a medium designed to be a human tissue analogue?
Seems to me there is released pressure in a balloon and a skull, but none in a melon. The best evidence of what really happened is the condition of the head wound according to first hand witnesses. And that's what you guys just can't deal with.
Below is the drawing you posted showing a big gaping exit wound on the back of Kennedy's head from the description of Dr. McClelland as he said he saw it in the Parkland trauma room.
Please show us in these frame enhancements from the Zapruter film where you see that exit wound on the back of Kennedy's head. I don't see it.
What amazes me is that Robert's claims of where the shooter was and the wound sustained make no sense but he can't even see that. Kennedy was looking down and to his left when hit by the fatal shot. There is no way that a bullet fired from the rail yard fence could have entered above the ear and exited the right side of the back of the head, in fact any bullet that did that would have had to have been fired from the floor of the car. A shot from the rail yard fence that entered the tight temple would have exited the left side of the back of the head.
Robert, your right, there was more than one shooter, there were probably some with guns who didnt fire but were on standby just in case the others missed.
So what..its nearly 50 years ago..they got away with it, let it go, you may even feel better about it.
Robert, your right, there was more than one shooter, there were probably some with guns who didnt fire but were on standby just in case the others missed.
So what..its nearly 50 years ago..they got away with it, let it go, you may even feel better about it.
There's more to it than just that. It's instructive as to how a criminal government in consort with a compliant news media can literally brainwash a nation into believing a Big Lie.
Seems to me there is released pressure in a balloon and a skull, but none in a melon. The best evidence of what really happened is the condition of the head wound according to first hand witnesses. And that's what you guys just can't deal with.
There's more to it than just that. It's instructive as to how a criminal government in consort with a compliant news media can literally brainwash a nation into believing a Big Lie.
Yes. With pesky evidence. You want us to believe there is an exit wound on the back of a mans head that does not appear in the film based on a presumption that the ONLY reason Jackie kennedy climbed out the back of the car was to pick up brains we cant see.
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