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JFK Conspiracy Theories: It Never Ends

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Fourbrick said:
It doesn't. However. if the lady said she had his brains in her hand, and she grabbed something from the trunk, what do you suggest she grabbed?
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If she grabbed something from the trunk - which we clearly cannot say for certain - it is highly unlikely to be a piece of Kennedy's brain, as the large exit wound in the front of his skull would have projected brain matter into the car and forward. If for some reason brain matter ended up on the trunk, there is no reason for Jaqueline to be picking it up, even less swinging back out of her seat to pick up a specific part of it when it has been sprayed all over the car.

So, if she was picking something up - which I don't think she was - it could have been anything. Brain matter falls quite low on that list. The brain matter she had in her hand would have arrived there when Kennedy slumped over on her with a big hole in his head.
 
uke2se said:
This was the piece that clinched the case for me. I used to love "JFK", and I was totally sold on the idea that Oswald was a patsy. But there was always a nagging doubt. The part of the movie where Kevin Costner presents the Zapruder film and goes "back and to the left" over and over again made me confused. I wanted to believe what I was being told, but at the same time, I saw the exit wound in the front of Kennedy's head, clear as day.
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Here's an idea for you. Fill a balloon with water to the point where it might burst Then place the balloon about once inch from your face. Then take a needle and burst the balloon right in front of your face. If you get a face-full of water, you have just experience the "jet effect."

You're welcome.
 
uke2se said:
If she grabbed something from the trunk - which we clearly cannot say for certain - it is highly unlikely to be a piece of Kennedy's brain, as the large exit wound in the front of his skull would have projected brain matter into the car and forward.
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Says you.

If for some reason brain matter ended up on the trunk, there is no reason for Jaqueline to be picking it up, even less swinging back out of her seat to pick up a specific part of it when it has been sprayed all over the car.
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There is every reason for her to try to retrieve her husband's brains.

So, if she was picking something up - which I don't think she was - it could have been anything.
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What do you suggest?
 
Robert Prey said:
Here's an idea for you. Fill a balloon with water to the point where it might burst Then place the balloon about once inch from your face. Then take a needle and burst the balloon right in front of your face. If you get a face-full of water, you have just experience the "jet effect."

You're welcome.
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A bullet to the head is nothing like sticking a pin into a balloon. A bullet generates a small entrance wound, little bigger than the bullet itself, and a much larger exit wound, due to the damaged tissue dragged along through the wound, as well as the bullet fragmenting.

A large wound on the front of Kennedy's skull is indicative of nothing but a shot from the back.

You're welcome.
 
Robert Prey said:
Here's an idea for you. Fill a balloon with water to the point where it might burst Then place the balloon about once inch from your face. Then take a needle and burst the balloon right in front of your face. If you get a face-full of water, you have just experience the "jet effect."

You're welcome.
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I see where you're going wrong if you think that illustrates the jet effect. Is there anything you can't get wrong?
 
uke2se said:
If she grabbed something from the trunk - which we clearly cannot say for certain - it is highly unlikely to be a piece of Kennedy's brain, as the large exit wound in the front of his skull would have projected brain matter into the car and forward. If for some reason brain matter ended up on the trunk, there is no reason for Jaqueline to be picking it up, even less swinging back out of her seat to pick up a specific part of it when it has been sprayed all over the car.

So, if she was picking something up - which I don't think she was - it could have been anything. Brain matter falls quite low on that list. The brain matter she had in her hand would have arrived there when Kennedy slumped over on her with a big hole in his head.
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This is a very weird sidetrack. I'll regret saying this but Mrs. Kennedy was wandering around the emergency room of Parkland with a skull fragment in her hand that she tried to give to one of the physicians treating Kennedy. She could of course have picked that one up from the seat of the car.

Since the ejecta from the head wound went up and to the front, however, it's unlikely any of it went onto the trunk of the car.
 
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uke2se said:
Why does something have to be pieces of brain?
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Well, now it could have been a piece of skull too. It was certainly something that blew off the back of the President's head. But let's get that Mrs. Connelly quote in a more complete context, including what Clint Hill had to say:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_John_F._Kennedy


"... Head matter, brain, blood, and skull fragments, originating from Kennedy, covered the interior of the car, the inner and outer surfaces of the front glass windshield and raised sun visors, the front engine hood, the rear trunk lid, [/B]the followup Secret Service car and its driver's left arm, and motorcycle officers riding on both sides of the president behind him.[23] Mrs. Kennedy then reached out onto the rear trunk lid. After she crawled back into her limousine seat, both Governor Connally and Mrs. Connally heard her say more than once, "They have killed my husband," and "I have his brains in my hand."[24][25]

United States Secret Service agent Clint Hill was riding on the left front running board of the followup car, immediately behind the Presidential limousine. Hill testified he heard one shot, then, as documented in other films and concurrent with Zapruder frame 308, he jumped off into Elm Street and ran forward to try and get on the limousine and protect the president. (Hill testified to the Warren Commission that after he jumped into Elm Street, he heard two more shots)[26] After the president had been shot in the head, Mrs. Kennedy began to climb out onto the back of the limousine, though she later had no recollection of doing so.[27][28] Hill believed she was reaching for something, perhaps a piece of the president's skull.[29] He jumped onto the back of the limousine while at the same time Mrs. Kennedy returned to her seat, and he clung to the car as it exited Dealey Plaza and accelerated, speeding to Parkland Memorial Hospital."


24.^ Warren Commission Hearings, Testimony of John B. Connally, vol. 4, p. 134.
25.^ Warren Commission Hearings, Testimony of Mrs. John B. Connally, vol. 4, p. 148.
26.^ Warren Commission Hearings, Testimony of Clinton J. Hill.
27^ Warren Commission Hearings, Testimony of Jacqueline Kennedy.
 
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uke2se said:
A bullet to the head is nothing like sticking a pin into a balloon. A bullet generates a small entrance wound, little bigger than the bullet itself, and a much larger exit wound, due to the damaged tissue dragged along through the wound, as well as the bullet fragmenting.

A large wound on the front of Kennedy's skull is indicative of nothing but a shot from the back.

You're welcome.
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" "When the body was removed from the casket there was a very obvious horrible gaping wound to the back of the head (BE:543).", and "The front of the body, except for a very slight bruise above the right eye on the forehead, was absolutely intact. It was the back of the head that was blown off." (BE:546" -- JOHN EBERSOLE, MD: was Assistant Chief of Radiology and head of the Radiology Division at Bethesda, and was the radiologist who evaluated the X-rays in close cooperation with the autopsists on the night of the autopsy.

http://www.assassinationweb.com/ag6.htm
 
Fourbrick said:
And elementary physics would also mean a shot from the front would cause his brains to go backwards.

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And yet...
The innards flew forward and up.... out the massive hole in the right front of the head.
 

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Fourbrick said:
And elementary physics would also mean a shot from the front would cause his brains to go backwards.
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Yes. That didn't happen, as can be clearly seen in the Zapruder film.


Fourbrick said:
Really?
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Indeed. As you say she had every reason to do it, please list the reasons.


Fourbrick said:
Well then you shouldn't have said suggested what she was picking up was anything.
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If you'll recall, you were the one who was suggesting she was picking up anything. I just said that even if she was - and it seemed to me at least that she wasn't - it could be anything.
 
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Robert Prey said:
" "When the body was removed from the casket there was a very obvious horrible gaping wound to the back of the head (BE:543).", and "The front of the body, except for a very slight bruise above the right eye on the forehead, was absolutely intact. It was the back of the head that was blown off." (BE:546" -- JOHN EBERSOLE, MD: was Assistant Chief of Radiology and head of the Radiology Division at Bethesda, and was the radiologist who evaluated the X-rays in close cooperation with the autopsists on the night of the autopsy.

http://www.assassinationweb.com/ag6.htm
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And yet we see the front of Kennedy's head being blown up in the Zapruder film.
 
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The Dox drawing was done to illustrate the fragmentation of the right top and front of the skull.
The bullet that entered the skull from the rear went on to impact the chrome edging of the windshield.
Fragments fell into the front seat area, and one flew out to strike James Tague on the cheek.
The impact on the chrome shows the typical effect of the Carcano bullet, which always tumbles after exiting a resistive target.
A similar sideways wound was in the governor's back, from the bullet through JFK's neck.
 

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Fourbrick said:
And elementary physics would also mean a shot from the front would cause his brains to go backwards.
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It looks like this thread has become a Stundie competition between Fourbrick and Robert. :(

Many, many pages and posts ago, I suggested that since Robert was doing such a poor job of arguing his case, he could use some help from another conspiracy-minded forum member. I was thinking of someone a little better than Robert at presenting evidence of a conspiracy. (Not that we have seen any such evidence in the forty plus years since the assassination, mind you.) But I guess in a situation like this you have to take what you can get.
 
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