The Wicked Witch of the West and Obamacare

[TubbaBlubba]

God.

You might be confusing "Yahweh" (I presume that's who you mean by "God") with "People who claim to speak for Yahweh". Not that Yahweh's opinion is terribly interesting anyway.

 

[Robert Prey]

And those of us who think war is mass murder have to involuntarily support murder with our taxes.

Taxes are not "a la carte" based on your moral issues.

But abortion is just as subject to the electorate as is war.

 

[Tricky]

TimCallahan][/B]

Says who?

God.

Of all the people this purportedly omnescient God could have for His spokesman, it seems almost infinitely unlikely that He'd choose you.

 

[Architect]

Since you ask the question, Universal Healthcare that provides for abortions paid in whole or in part, directly or indirectly with taxes, forces those who believe that abortion is murder to involuntarily support murder with their taxes. Get it?

Ah, you're really having a laugh now.

 

[Biscuit]

No. We're talking about moral law. US law says that abortion is OK. Just like US law once said Slavery was OK. So much for US Law.

And god says you can sell your daughters into slavery. So much for moral law.

 

[TimCallahan]

In a word, no. But they certainly must have some sort of written certification.

Okay, here you say that fertilized ova that fail to implant and groups of daughter cells of that a fertilized Ovum that don't differentiate into germ layers aren't human beings. Then you say (hilited area):

It's a human from conception. Birth control is a sin, unless it is natural.

So which is it? Are fertilized ova that fail to implant human beings? If it's a human from conception, as per your second post above, then your first post above cannot be true. If the earlier post is true, the later post cannot be true.

As to birth control being a sin unless it's natural, I assume you mean by natural either abstinence or the rhythm method. So, what you are saying is that it isn't a sin for a couple to deliberately frustrate conception by not having sex when the woman is fertile, thus assuring that her haploid oocyte is not fertilized and is flushed away in the next menstrual flow, and that the man's spermatozoa only enter her reproductive tract when there is no egg there to be fertilized, thus assuring that the sperm are wasted. However, if the woman uses a diaphragm and the man uses a condom, thus assuring that any haploid oocyte isn't fertilized, but flushed away in the next menstrual flow, and no sperm enters her vagina, that's a sin.

Please explain to me why the second method of birth control is a sin when it accomplishes the same thing the first method did. If your basis for asserting that use of artificial barriers is a sin is biblically based, please quote me the specific chapter(s) and verse(s).

 

[TimCallahan]

Since you ask the question, Universal Healthcare that provides for abortions paid in whole or in part, directly or indirectly with taxes, forces those who believe that abortion is murder to involuntarily support murder with their taxes. Get it?

While it may not be murder in their eyes, the following religious groups could equally object to being forced to pay taxes to support universal health care and to law enforcement agencies:

Snake handlers could object not being allowed by law enforcement to handle venomous snakes or to drink poison.

Christian Scientists among others could object to having their children given emergency medical treatment and / or immunizations.

Jehovah's Witnesses cold object to being forced to pay taxes that might be used for blood transfusions.

Any religious group believing in creationism could object to paying taxes for public schools teaching evolution.

Are you suggesting that all these groups get to opt out of paying taxes? If so, may I opt out of paying those portions of taxes that go to subsidize off-shore oil exploration and drilling, "fracking", coal slurrying, increased open pit coal mining, breeder reactor research and development, and any defense expenditure I consider wasteful (such as SDI)? I am, after all, opposed to all these things in various degrees.

 

[Robert Prey]

While it may not be murder in their eyes, the following religious groups could equally object to being forced to pay taxes to support universal health care and to law enforcement agencies:

Snake handlers could object not being allowed by law enforcement to handle venomous snakes or to drink poison.

Christian Scientists among others could object to having their children given emergency medical treatment and / or immunizations.

Jehovah's Witnesses cold object to being forced to pay taxes that might be used for blood transfusions.

Any religious group believing in creationism could object to paying taxes for public schools teaching evolution.

Are you suggesting that all these groups get to opt out of paying taxes? If so, may I opt out of paying those portions of taxes that go to subsidize off-shore oil exploration and drilling, "fracking", coal slurrying, increased open pit coal mining, breeder reactor research and development, and any defense expenditure I consider wasteful (such as SDI)? I am, after all, opposed to all these things in various degrees.

If you oppose energy development, you should be required to ride a horse.

 

[Robert Prey]

Okay, here you say that fertilized ova that fail to implant and groups of daughter cells of that a fertilized Ovum that don't differentiate into germ layers aren't human beings. Then you say (hilited area):

So which is it? Are fertilized ova that fail to implant human beings? If it's a human from conception, as per your second post above, then your first post above cannot be true. If the earlier post is true, the later post cannot be true.

As to birth control being a sin unless it's natural, I assume you mean by natural either abstinence or the rhythm method. So, what you are saying is that it isn't a sin for a couple to deliberately frustrate conception by not having sex when the woman is fertile, thus assuring that her haploid oocyte is not fertilized and is flushed away in the next menstrual flow, and that the man's spermatozoa only enter her reproductive tract when there is no egg there to be fertilized, thus assuring that the sperm are wasted. However, if the woman uses a diaphragm and the man uses a condom, thus assuring that any haploid oocyte isn't fertilized, but flushed away in the next menstrual flow, and no sperm enters her vagina, that's a sin.

Please explain to me why the second method of birth control is a sin when it accomplishes the same thing the first method did. If your basis for asserting that use of artificial barriers is a sin is biblically based, please quote me the specific chapter(s) and verse(s).

It's natural as versus un-natural.

 

[Robert Prey]

Of all the people this purportedly omnescient God could have for His spokesman, it seems almost infinitely unlikely that He'd choose you.

In your heart, you know I'm right.

 

[Dancing David]

In a word, no. But they certainly must have some sort of written certification.

Yeah, even though it happens within the first month after implantation and looks and feels just like a 'heavy period with cramps".

 

[Dancing David]

My assumptions are correct and being common knowledge, are immune from attack.

Ah, the common knowledge that also says that blacks are inferior to whites?

 

[Dancing David]

It's a human from conception. Birth control is a sin, unless it is natural.

How about your cancer cells, are they human as well?

Do you think a cancer should be removed or left?

 

[Dancing David]

No. We're talking about moral law. US law says that abortion is OK. Just like US law once said Slavery was OK. So much for US Law.

Which moral law? Certainly not the one in the bible.

 

[Dancing David]

Since you ask the question, Universal Healthcare that provides for abortions paid in whole or in part, directly or indirectly with taxes, forces those who believe that abortion is murder to involuntarily support murder with their taxes. Get it?

Yeah, well so did the Iraq War, and my taxes still paid for it.

Murder writ large, doesn't bother you.

 

[Dancing David]

God.

And how exactly did it communicate with you?

 

[Dancing David]

In your heart, you know I'm right.

In your guts you know she's nuts!

 

[Biscuit]

If you oppose energy development, you should be required to ride a horse.

If you oppose paying for women's reproductive care you shouldn't be allowed to breed.

 

[Robert Prey]

Which moral law? Certainly not the one in the bible.

"Thou Shalt Not Kill." - Bible

 

[Robert Prey]

How about your cancer cells, are they human as well?

Do you think a cancer should be removed or left?

That's a medical question. Since we all have cancer cells, and most are harmless, leave them in until they start to kill.