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Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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Jings, there are some scary people out there.

The 411 said:
When the interviewer asks how RS would respond if confronted with a guilter's accusations against him (being involved in the murder). RS responds "Out and about, I've always had (only) displays of affection and expressions of relief."

He then adds: Anyone who would say otherwise "doesn't know all the facts."
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I say: Let's all take a PMF group field trip down to Bisceglie and show RS how we feel AND what we know!! Just the facts, Raff!
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Don't forget your megaphone, Machine!!!
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http://perugiamurderfile.org/viewto...0a47ff98e9002250f6a7cab583&start=1600#p107361

I imagine and hope it's nothing but empty words, but these guys report having gone to Perugia quite often, and I wouldn't entirely put it past them.

Rolfe.
 
pilot padron said:
Fully aware of the sentiment here that those guilters on PMF are all idiots, and the site is a hateful horrid place.
Nonetheless, two PMF Italian speakers commented shortly after the Interview took place.

Clander put up the complete Interview in two very easy to view parts shortly after it was released

Clander's insightful separate comment shows unequivocally using his verbatim answers, how much difficulty Sollecito has in truthfully answering a simple direct question about smoking marijuana.
Clander does this by quoting verbatim Sollecito's several errr...versions... in his separate 'answers'.
(spare us the Marriott mantras about how liars' verbatim incriminating answers are just being 'misinterpreted'. etcccccccc)

A few of Popper's comments
1) Lots of not very meaningful questions. Lots of stupid answers.
2) RS said he is not afraid of Cassazione ... but then he explains he is basically afraid.
3) Lots of rehearsed phrases. Clearly interview pre-agreed and recorded, so RS was probably paid
4) Very generic, lots of words not touching the merit of facts ... not the way an innocent man talks ... this interview was a mistake for RS ...

Fully aware also that these PMF "idiots" may have some preconceived convictions about guilt.
However, their personal beliefs in translating are certainly no more objectionable than the IIP provided "translations/summaries" of early Appeal documents that were so widely heralded here as biblical in accuracy, yet later shown to be blatantly biased and slanted.
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Of course he does not want to get into the pot smoking.:p Of course he would still have general anxiety. Of course when you were wrongfully convicted and imprisoned and went through an horrific ordeal, and many "idiots" at PMF are still out for blood, you will be very nervous. Get a grip! He appears sweet, young, polite, and innocent. For the sake of God, get over it.
 
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RoseMontague said:
LOL. Popper wants an interrogation. This was a fluff piece, a human interest story. Raffaele looks great.
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Maybe popper just would like to see a hint of serious journalism.
Like maybe just one or two corrections by the host of obvious erroneous answers to obviously rehearsed powder puff questions.
Or maybe just a single follow up to a deliberately evasive reply ??

Like the BBC did with Curt and Edda.
The one after which they never ever seemed to be get Curt and Edda errrr....'scheduled'....again through Marriott.

But hey, if is really fluff we are interested in here, you are correct (again), Rose.
There is indeed a lot of 'fluff' floating around. (almost like flying dna).,
 
pilot padron said:
Strange for a venue that endlessly spams itself as a final font of factual information..."available to all".
And whose posters whine about other site's stuff being 'closed' to some
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That's because the information available in the forum itself is rather sparsley anyway and the "main stuff" is freely available from the main page. :rolleyes:

There's no doubt that PMF is a good resource when it comes to raw documents like the testimonies and the massei report. It's also good if you want to look at a lot of pictures of the involved people. :drool:
IIP on the other hand features the appeal summaries, the translated C&V report, a lot of crime scene photos and analyses and so on.
Some documents are available from both sites. Summed up, it's great these two sites have so much data available and registering is not required for both.

Sometimes there're also some interesting posts at the IIP forums, but one can do without. I only registered there and not on PMF, though. On IIP you can at least discuss without being banned because you dared questioning the salient beliefs...

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RoseMontague said:
Gino said that it is true that DNA doesn't fly, but it does float. Nice to see you using both verbs as well. I am guessing this is ominous.
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Your immediate recall of Gino's words are another tribute to your always admired fact based arguing.
But it is not "ominous".

Since translations and interpreting and parsing are such favored topics here, please understand, my interchange of those words is not related to my avatar.

According to my use, and affirmed by merriam webster, to "float" requires a liquid to "float on".
So please overlook my preference for "flying" dna.
Hey.Anything is possible.....eh? ?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/float

PS: Hope readers also will overlook that I did not feel necessary to copy the full page of Merriam *in color* as sometimes done here to support innocence arguments
 
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pilot padron said:
Your immediate recall of Gino's words are another tribute to your always admired fact based arguing.
But it is not "ominous".

Since translations and interpreting and parsing are such favored topics here, please understand, my interchange of those words is not related to my avatar.
Examples of FLOAT


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/float

PS: Hope readers also will overlook that I did not feel necessary to copy the full page of Merriam *in color* as sometimes done here to support innocence arguments
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Examples of float as a verb:

Examples of FLOAT

1. She was floating on her back.
2. ice floating in the river
3. Will this material sink or float?
4. dust floating through the air

That is same link, click on verb, your example was:

There is indeed a lot of 'fluff' floating around. (almost like flying dna).,
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Perfect fit.
 
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Osterwelle said:
That's because the information available in the forum itself is rather sparsley anyway and the "main stuff" is freely available from the main page. :rolleyes:

There's no doubt that PMF is a good resource when it comes to raw documents like the testimonies and the massei report. It's also good if you want to look at a lot of pictures of the involved people. :drool:
IIP on the other hand features the appeal summaries, the translated C&V report, a lot of crime scene photos and analyses and so on.
Some documents are available from both sites. Summed up, it's great these two sites have so much data available and registering is not required for both.

Sometimes there're also some interesting posts at the IIP forums, but one can do without. I only registered there and not on PMF, though. On IIP you can at least discuss without being banned because you dared questioning the salient beliefs...

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In addition to what you mentioned about IIP having a main website that has trial documents, evidence analysis, etc. and a separate forum for discussion, there are also two parts to the forum. There is a Public Forum, which anyone can read, and a Member Forum, which you need to register for to be able to read. Registering as a member is a simple process, if one chooses to do so, and there is no difficult screening process.

The public forum, which anyone can see, and where most of the actual case discussion takes place, is here: http://www.injusticeinperugiaforum.org. You have to register to comment, I believe, but that is the same as almost any forum I can think of (PMF is the same), and people can and do make up whatever screen names they want to :D. Our friend Mach has posted there frequently.
 
Machiavelli said:
No, you must know what you talk about. You must read what he actually said in order to say he lied.
If he said he didn't remember the first time, maybe he lied. But maybe not: maybe he was actually not sure or not thinking he saw the defendants.
By a little of experience, I can say that is how a huge number of witnesses behave. If they are not sure, they say they don't remeber anything special. Then they think about it and after a while they report information.
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I have noticed you have a double standard. Things are okay when they support your position but the exact same things are not okay when they do not support your position.

In the above post of yours you are stating a witness did not lie when he contradicted himself because "maybe he was actually not sure or not thinking..." but when the acquitted kids vacillate about anything it is proof they are murdering liars.
 
Dougm said:
The public forum, which anyone can see, and where most of the actual case discussion takes place, is here: http://www.injusticeinperugiaforum.org. You have to register to comment, I believe, but that is the same as almost any forum I can think of (PMF is the same), and people can and do make up whatever screen names they want to :D. Our friend Mach has posted there frequently.
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Oh, I see. That looks quite normal. It's just that every time anyone here has linked to that site, it has been to the page that says you have to register to see anything.

Rolfe.
 
PDiGirolamo said:
I have noticed you have a double standard. Things are okay when they support your position but the exact same things are not okay when they do not support your position.

In the above post of yours you are stating a witness did not lie when he contradicted himself because "maybe he was actually not sure or not thinking..." but when the acquitted kids vacillate about anything it is proof they are murdering liars.
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Yeah, I noticed that....

Rolfe.
 
Katody Matrass said:
Raffaele's hour long face-to-face on Italian TV is available:

www.video.mediaset.it

He looks healthy and doing all right, maybe some Italian speakers can comment on the contents :)
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Thanks for this!

I commented before on Frank Sfarzo's blog that my heart sank when Hellmann said "parziale riforma"; I feared it was going to be a mere sentence reduction. It was interesting to find out that Raffaele had the same reaction.
 
Osterwelle said:
"Newcomer" at IIP posted a partial translation in Media » Italian News Articles / Zona Italofona.

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Excellent, Thanks!

Here's a link to the post . I'm not sure if it requires registration.

ETA:

The post unfortunately is in the section of forum for the registered users.

I took liberty to quote the rough translation by Newcomer, hope it's ok:

How are you?
RS: I’m well, recovering bit by bit. I’m trying to convert what I’ve suffered into something positive. I’m nervous in front of all these cameras. (Although it doesn’t show, he looks quite calm and collected)

Why did you decide to talk now?
RS: I want to speak out against the contradictions and the errors in the system that allows innocent people to stay in prison for 4 years. I feel it’s a duty and I want to talk about this injustice. I’m nobody special but I’d like to do my bit.

There’s still a lot of people that still think you’re guilty. What would you like to say to them?
RS: These people have never affected me. They are letting off steam, perhaps they have their own problems and they are finding a way to release that. Maybe they don’t see me as a very nice person. But they don’t know the details of this case, and have decided based on intuition and what they read in the tabloids. However, after being released I’ve only received the affection of those that have approached me, some have even cried for me. Nobody has come to me and said they think I’m guilty. Maybe people who think that wouldn’t come to say it in person. Those people don’t know the facts and don’t want to know them. They rely on the facts of the tabloids.

How would you describe yourself?
RS: It’s a bit difficult to describe oneself. It didn’t bother me that I was the less important defendant in this case. I would define myself as a person honest and sweet with a big heart, and very positive. I have received a good education and my parents have always been understanding towards me, at times protective. I was taught to be respectful and loving and to be a good example.

Did your father and family ever doubt you?
RS: Never. They know me. My father knows that if ever I did something wrong, I’d own up to it.

You’ve been described as being succumbing to Amanda. Is that true?
RS: No. This has been invented. This happened because they saw Amanda as guilty, and so for me to be guilty, they had to see me as being succumbing to her.

How has your contact been with the world after leaving prison.
RS: At times difficult, other times enthusiastic. It was great to see the sea again. I was brought up with the sea. When you don’t have access to that, you suffer.

(They now show the verdict of the appeal).

Were you overcome?
RS: It was a very emotional moment for me. Intense. I was holding the hands of my lawyers. When I heard the words about the calunnia and the partial reform of the verdict I felt broken, awful. Then when I heard the final verdict, my heart opened. I felt that joy like a flower blooming in the winter.

What about the Independent DNA analysis?
RS: We always knew that the DNA could not be as described by the prosecution. It was expected.

Do you ever cry?
RS: Rarely. I cried only a very few times in my life, like when my mother died.

Were you attached to her?
RS: Yes, absolutely.

Did you feel her close to you in those 4 years?
RS: Yes.

What did your lawyers say to keep your spirits up during your time in prison?
RS: They convinced me by talking of the proof that was on my side, like the time of death. I always listened to everything being said during the trial. There have been people that were dishonest. The witnesses… the things they said…

How do you remember that hug with your father after being released?
RS: After that battle for truth that seemed so absurd, it was the end of all of that. It seemed so untrue those 4 years, and also it seemed so untrue then to be released.

The insults and whistles outside the court? Why? Did that hurt you?
RS: No. I haven’t experienced this myself after being freed. I don’t know how to explain it.

Were they organized groups perhaps?
RS: Hard to say. It was like fans supporting a football team that supported the team of guilt.

What about Meredith Kercher? They still don’t know what happened.
RS: I ask want to understand what happened. It’s not enough just to throw people in prison. For us, the appeal is a partial truth. We’d like the other aspects of the case to be investigated more. I don’t know what I can do.

Will you fight for justice for Meredith?
RS: Yes, although I don’t know what I can do, I don’t feel there’s much I can do to help.

Have you tried to speak to the Kerchers?
RS: I tried in the beginning, but I found the doors closed and so I left it – it didn’t seem worth pursuing – they already had their ideas set.

Here’s a pic of Amanda dressed for Halloween? Was it insensitive?
RS: What did Meredith’s friends do for Halloween I’d ask? Amanda is free after 4 years. She can celebrate Halloween – which is an important day in the USA.

(Interviewer suggests it was inopportune of Amanda to do that (IDIOT! – OK let’s give benefit of the doubt perhaps this was recorded before we knew the details of Amanda’s outfit).

Your final speech on the day before the verdict? Some thought you were acting – despite appearing that normal guy.
RS: Whoever is of that inclination of guilt will always say that. However I behave they’ll see the guilt in me. That’s the way I see it. I couldn’t prepare that speech, it wouldn’t have made any difference however well I prepared it, so I just spoke from the heart.

The evening of the murder what did you do?
RS: One can’t remember every detail. Paradoxically it was a beautiful evening for me, spent with Amanda, in love, with hugs, affection, like two children, joyful, like other evenings we had spent together.

You fell in love with Amanda?
RS: Yes, I was falling in love with her, like a flower growing, like a seed planted. But it was like someone stamped on the seed, and we’ll never know what could have happened.

Is it over?
RS: It’s over basically, but in these 4 years there has grown a strong affection through the injustice and tragedy we’ve gone through together. My sentiments for her were suffocated by the process, but the affection is there.

You’ll go to America?
RS: I’d like to go but I don’t know if and when. Right now I’m just thinking of getting my life back. People keep putting words in my mouth. I don’t like that my personal life and gossip about us have been mixed up with the tragedy (murder) that has happened.

Were there all these drugs and orgies in Perugia?
RS: No… I had the odd smoke of cannabis, but anyway it doesn’t provoke the kind of response that would cause murder. Maybe you become a bit stupid, but not a murderer.

The kisses on the day after the murder? And the images of you shopping for underwear?
RS: Amanda was alone, she had nobody – the kisses were to comfort her. We went to buy those things because she had nothing left to wear, nothing! They had taken away her house. I was trying to comfort her – it’s not true that we didn’t care. It wasn’t to try and be passionate, but to make her feel secure.

Your time in prison. What did you learn?
RS: It’s very complicated there. Strong rules. It’s deteriorating – it doesn’t develop you it has the opposite effect. What gave me strength, other than family, was the ability to study, and all the people that wrote to me. At home now, I have a room full of letters that you can’t enter it’s so full of letters; from abroad, from people with children like me, or professors. Perhaps 2 out of every 10 million letters are against me.

Did you ever think you’d lose your sanity it in prison?
RS: Yes, especially in the first 6 months during the isolation on my own in a room I thought I’d lose my sanity. You’d need a whole other program to describe what it felt like. I was in prision with paedophiles, rapists… some of the others in prison didn’t treat me great at the beginning, like I was privileged, telling me God will punish me, you should think of Meredith. I was scared of some of the violent ones. But only in part – over time, this went away, and when I was freed, they celebrated.

Do you know Rudy?
RS: No, never seen him in my life, not even by mistake, except in court. At first he said he saw somebody smaller than him, then when I saw him, I noticed I was taller!

Do you think he has a role in the murder?
RS: My lawyers have investigated and are convinced that he is the sole killer. I’m not interested in him in particular – I just want the truth to be known. He never accused me or Amanda – he only ever spoke of seeing a silhouette that may have been us.

Why was Meredith killed do you think?
RS: How do I know? I can’t explain it. Arguments between students don’t lead to murder. I can’t find sense in her murder. It seems unreal. I can’t think of a motive. I can’t connect it to the lifestyle of Perugia.

Did you ever touch the bra clasp?
RS: It seems unreal to me. We were behind the door when it was forced open, we didn’t really see what was in the room, it seems ridiculous to me that my DNA could be on there. I had been in that house several times. It seems very odd and controversial that evidence.
Break while video of Amanda being hounded by Paparazzi in Seattle is shown, and again it’s mentioned she dressed as a cat burgler (IDIOT again!)

Raffaele smiles
RS: I wish her the best, after what she has suffered (he seems to fight back the tears) I hope she will be the happiest girl in the world. Knowing what I suffered, I know she suffered it and more.

Are you afraid of the final verdict of the supreme court?
RS: No, but there is still some anxiety after everything that has happened.

What would you say to the Kerchers if they were here?
RS: What happened to their child is terrible, inexplicable, almost impossible. I don’t know what I’d do in their place. I would do anything to get to the truth, to get to the heart of this case. I pray for them every day. I’ve always prayed, even before. I pray that the truth comes out that gives justice for Meredith, and that also gives peace to Amanda and I.
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