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Ann Rice trolls Twilight

Checkmite said:
No, seriously!



This is hilarious. I don't read any vampire fiction whatsoever, but I recognizes a well-played act of trollism when I sees one.
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Yes, I thought it was rather strange thing for her to complain about as well.

After all, just a few years ago she became a born again Christian, got readings from John Edward about her dead husband, and she announced that she would stop writing vampire book and sexy books.

Ugh! I have to wonder what bee got into her bonnet.
 
BTMO said:
104 year old teenagers like virgins. While it is difficult to find a virgin in a real high school, this is fiction, so virgins are abundant. Or at least enough are to make it worth their while.

Basically, the author of these books (and the ultimately, the movies) has made "grooming" cool.

Look at it is this way - dirty old perverts with grubby intentions can just wear hip, modern clothes and hang around (real) high schools, drop a few sparkly vampire catchphrases and they are in like Flynn.

It is Aqualung for a modern audience....
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:dl:
 
Aepervius said:
i think the influence is supposedly from Mormon.
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So...Mormons* believe in vampires and werewolves mating with young humans (or vice versa - which is , I am told, how many people like their vice.....:jaw-dropp






*skydaddy voice: "I am the angel Moroni and I vant your bloood !!!:rolleyes:
 
Lamuella said:
I prefer the Andrew Futral version:

"Harry Potter is about confronting fears, finding inner strength and doing what is right in the face of adversity...Twilight is about how important it is to have a boyfriend".
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:dl:

That's the best comparison I ever heard.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Aren't there copyright issues there?
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That's a good question. I don't know where fanfiction fits in the world of copyright. Does it matter that the fan work is available for free, says that it "is created with no commercial intent or gain", and openly acknowledges that Meyer owns everything she owns?

Even the similar beginning is only similar in that most events happen in Meyer's way for the first couple of days in-story. (Which makes the point of divergence more interesting.) I wouldn't consider it plagiarism, except maybe for some of the early dialogue. (Which is necessary for the author's point.) But since Luminosity's Bella keeps a regular journal and narrates the story from a completely different psychological make-up, wholly-original content is there from the start.

Which brings me to one of the main reasons I didn't like Twilight (beyond those already mentioned). I didn't like any of the characters, especially the central one. Bella is an unlikeable, passive place-holder.

Meanwhile, I haven't read any of Anne Rice's vampire novels. Has that boat sailed?
 
Crossbow said:
Yes, I thought it was rather strange thing for her to complain about as well.

After all, just a few years ago she became a born again Christian, got readings from John Edward about her dead husband, and she announced that she would stop writing vampire book and sexy books.

Ugh! I have to wonder what bee got into her bonnet.
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Attention seeking I imagine.

About that god thing, I'm glad I passed on her Christ book when I was at the library today. All they had was Interview with the Vampire and I've seen the movie and wasn't interested, and, Rice's Jesus book. I was hoping it was some fictional thing but the synopsis said otherwise so I passed.
 
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Crossbow said:
Yes, I thought it was rather strange thing for her to complain about as well.

After all, just a few years ago she became a born again Christian, got readings from John Edward about her dead husband, and she announced that she would stop writing vampire book and sexy books.

Ugh! I have to wonder what bee got into her bonnet.
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Last year:

"For those who care, and I understand if you don’t: Today I quit being a Christian. I’m out. I remain committed to Christ as always but not to being “Christian” or to being part of Christianity. It’s simply impossible for me to “belong” to this quarrelsome, hostile, disputatious, and deservedly infamous group. For ten years, I’ve tried. I’ve failed. I’m an outsider. My conscience will allow nothing else."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Rice#Renunciation_of_organized_religion
 
GreyArea said:
That's a good question. I don't know where fanfiction fits in the world of copyright. Does it matter that the fan work is available for free, says that it "is created with no commercial intent or gain", and openly acknowledges that Meyer owns everything she owns?


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No. All that might mitigate is any suit that hopes to gain a financial settlement.
 
GreyArea said:
That's a good question. I don't know where fanfiction fits in the world of copyright. Does it matter that the fan work is available for free, says that it "is created with no commercial intent or gain", and openly acknowledges that Meyer owns everything she owns?
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Fanfiction is a breach of copyright, and illegal, but some writers/publishers tolerate it or even encourage it because it promotes the original work.

A similar vein is "machinima" which is animated works that use a computer game engine (in the same way that fanfiction uses the "universe" created by the author but introduces its own stories). There's even been examples like "Red Vs Blue" (made on the Halo game) that have been used by the owners of the game to help promote it, and the filmmakers have been given permission to sell their work.
 
Funny, I always thought Ann Rice's vampires were wimpy emo twits targeted at a teenage girl readership... until Twilight came along and turned out to be far worse, true, but it's not like her own vampires are so much better.

Give me Dracula or Kain over these drama queen "vampires" any day.
 
GreyArea said:
That's a good question. I don't know where fanfiction fits in the world of copyright. Does it matter that the fan work is available for free, says that it "is created with no commercial intent or gain", and openly acknowledges that Meyer owns everything she owns?

Even the similar beginning is only similar in that most events happen in Meyer's way for the first couple of days in-story. (Which makes the point of divergence more interesting.) I wouldn't consider it plagiarism, except maybe for some of the early dialogue. (Which is necessary for the author's point.) But since Luminosity's Bella keeps a regular journal and narrates the story from a completely different psychological make-up, wholly-original content is there from the start.

Which brings me to one of the main reasons I didn't like Twilight (beyond those already mentioned). I didn't like any of the characters, especially the central one. Bella is an unlikeable, passive place-holder.

Meanwhile, I haven't read any of Anne Rice's vampire novels. Has that boat sailed?
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The first few are ok, the more recent ones are pretty bad.
 
Interview With The vampire is fun and readable. The Vampire Lestat is decent. Queen Of The Damned is all right. Bail before you get to The Tale Of The Body Thief.
 
gumboot said:
Fanfiction is a breach of copyright, and illegal, but some writers/publishers tolerate it or even encourage it because it promotes the original work.

A similar vein is "machinima" which is animated works that use a computer game engine (in the same way that fanfiction uses the "universe" created by the author but introduces its own stories). There's even been examples like "Red Vs Blue" (made on the Halo game) that have been used by the owners of the game to help promote it, and the filmmakers have been given permission to sell their work.
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I thought derivative works were protected under copyright. As long as the original was cited.
 
Segnosaur said:
If I remember though, in the movie don't they have a wall with all of the graduate caps/mortarboards from when he graduated? Looks like he keeps going back to school over and over again, supposedly even after he learned what he needed to.
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As I understand it, he's got a medical degree -- and yet because he looks seventeen, he's stuck in high school in Forks. This rather increases the bafflement level, because he's been attending the same school in Forks for four years and apparently no one has noticed that he looks exactly the way he did the first day of his freshman year.
 
Morrigan said:
Funny, I always thought Ann Rice's vampires were wimpy emo twits targeted at a teenage girl readership... until Twilight came along and turned out to be far worse, true, but it's not like her own vampires are so much better.

Give me Dracula or Kain over these drama queen "vampires" any day.
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VAE VICTUS!

Indeed. These are floppy-haired, simpering emotards. Even JWs Angel had a bloomin' nasty side. Where's the uncontrollable hunger, the appetite for death and control?

These are obviously not neo-con vampires.
 
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