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Ann Rice trolls Twilight

Lamuella said:
I prefer the Andrew Futral version:

"Harry Potter is about confronting fears, finding inner strength and doing what is right in the face of adversity...Twilight is about how important it is to have a boyfriend".
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I like the one about how Twilight is the age old story of a young girl's struggle between necrophilia and beastiality.
 
I tried to read Twilight but it was so awful I had to stop. There were so many times I found myself thinking of better ways to write it, and I'm not even a writer.

Then, lo and behold, I found Luminosity. This is an interesting re-write which starts basically the same way as Twilight, but then veers off significantly. It's a version in which Bella has a personality and actually thinks about her life and her decisions.

Apparently it was partly inspired by Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality.
 
RobRoy said:
In defense of Stephanie Meyers (and as much as I loathe to do it) I do not believe she was simple "trying to cash in on brain dead readers". I honestly believe that she wanted to tell a story, and I honestly believe she was writing for a specific audience, the young adult. Additionally, she had other agenda items that she wanted to check off: she wanted a "clean" love story, and she wanted to link certain items with her own religious beliefs.
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For certain definitions of "clean". An extremely elderly man begins an obsessive romantic relationship with a teenager and has violently abusive sex with her on their wedding night. That's nice and wholesome.
 
Much as Meyers is not the best author in the world, the Twilight series has serious underlying themes that explain the attraction:

Forbidden love
Love conquering the forbidden thing
Two mortal enemies vying for the same love
Mortal enemies forced to team up to protect said same love
The usual woman rescued over and over and constantly back in danger (like it or not it is a theme women have been raised on)
Woman is selfless, good, kind, beautiful but not conceited, willing to sacrifice herself for others
The two mortal enemy lovers are complete opposites in many ways yet both are attractive to different fans, some love Edward, some love Jacob, so the audience is rooting for different outcomes.

It's a romance novel. They are always like this.

I haven't read Rice's vampire books. Guess I'll have to now.
 
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Piscivore said:
For certain definitions of "clean". An extremely elderly man begins an obsessive romantic relationship with a teenager and has violently abusive sex with her on their wedding night. That's nice and wholesome.
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He's frozen at 17, not elderly. But I agree the violent sex has serious problems, especially since Bella has no complaints. I think Meyers was left with the plot theme that Edward was afraid of hurting Bella if he ever had sex with her.

That's what I mean about bad writing. There are a number of scenes which could have been done so much better than they were.
 
GreyArea said:
I tried to read Twilight but it was so awful I had to stop. There were so many times I found myself thinking of better ways to write it, and I'm not even a writer.
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Yes, definitely. One has to rewrite a lot of it in one's head to get through it.

GreyArea said:
Then, lo and behold, I found Luminosity. This is an interesting re-write which starts basically the same way as Twilight, but then veers off significantly. It's a version in which Bella has a personality and actually thinks about her life and her decisions.

Apparently it was partly inspired by Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality.
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Aren't there copyright issues there?
 
Hastur said:
Now that would have been an awesome casting choice. In the midst of this trolling of one psycho author by another psycho author, my old World of Darkness vampire and werewolf sensibilities are finding that things weren't so bad back then. At least Fortitude didn't make you sparkly and being a Garou didn't mean you had to have the fashion sense of Iggy Pop.
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Twilight is just the wod if done by someone who didn't like the D.

I like to call it the WOS, pronounced wuss, world of sparkling.

Seriously, all i want to do is buy the rights and have the last book and film have a low level fomori come in and kill every single "vampire" in the series.

Vampires are supposed to be scary, not friggen sexy, If i am picking a "team" in a WOD like thing, it should be for combat capability , not looks.

In all fairness True blood also borrows a lot from the WOD, but it is done in homage, and done right.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I haven't read Rule's vampire books. Guess I'll have to now.
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Ann Rule wrote vampire books? Cool! ;)

On Anne Rice's vampire books: The first two (Interview with the Vampire and The Vampire Lestat) I quite enjoyed but after that the series got a bit "meh" for me (and I made it through Memnoch the Devil).
 
Babbylonian said:
Ann Rule wrote vampire books? Cool! ;)

On Anne Rice's vampire books: The first two (Interview with the Vampire and The Vampire Lestat) I quite enjoyed but after that the series got a bit "meh" for me (and I made it through Memnoch the Devil).
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Sorry, my bad. I was looking at an Anne Rule movie in the TV guide last night. It was in my head.
 
Yxskaft said:
Why is he still in school that 104 year old vampire? Havent seen the films or anything and just curious if that question is adressed.
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104 year old teenagers like virgins. While it is difficult to find a virgin in a real high school, this is fiction, so virgins are abundant. Or at least enough are to make it worth their while.

Basically, the author of these books (and the ultimately, the movies) has made "grooming" cool.

Look at it is this way - dirty old perverts with grubby intentions can just wear hip, modern clothes and hang around (real) high schools, drop a few sparkly vampire catchphrases and they are in like Flynn.

It is Aqualung for a modern audience....
 
Segnosaur said:
Maybe he can make use of his immortality. Get a spaceship and fly around with the goal of visiting every person in the universe and insulting them.
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It’s been done. :D

Aepervius said:
i think the influence is supposedly from Mormon.
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Not supposedly. It is.

Piscivore said:
<----- Team Eli.
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Well played.

Piscivore said:
For certain definitions of "clean". An extremely elderly man begins an obsessive romantic relationship with a teenager and has violently abusive sex with her on their wedding night. That's nice and wholesome.
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Meh. I really don’t like defending Meyers, because I’m not a fan. Her LDS agenda, either deliberately or not, was extremely clear to me, and her character-development and plot is pretty non-existent. She’s not a terrible writer, but she’s no literary powerhouse either. I think there’s more depth in Laurel K. Hamilton, even after she digressed into blatant pornography.

That said, some of your accusations really can’t be overcome. After all when you’re dealing with vampire mythology, part of the appeal is their age. So the same kind of accusations can also be laid on Angel and Buffy, or Bill and Sookie, etc. Add to that, as I stated above, Meyers isn’t the greatest character writer. While Edward is supposed to be 104, only at very rare times does he actually come across with that kind of age. More often than not he’s just a hot, seductive teen crush who could just as easily grace the cover of “Sparkly 16 Magazine”. Vampirism and extreme-age were secondary characteristics for the novel, when they would be primary characteristics for anyone in the really-real world.
 
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