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UFOs: The Research, the Evidence

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Stray Cat said:
Of course, it is, we keep finding it and posting it here in this thread.

Blimps
Fireflies
Anomalous Propagation
Lighthouses
Hoaxes
Squid Boats
Venus
Fire Balls
Reflections

This list isn't comprehensive but one item which is conspicuous by it's absence is 'aliens'.
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Scwewy Wabbits.
 
Question for Ufology:

Do you have any anecdotes we can look at as skeptics that would add credence to your position?
 
Krikkiter said:
Question for Ufology:

Do you have any anecdotes we can look at as skeptics
that would add credence to your position?
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let me answer that for him,
yes he does
and no they won't
:D
he has published a full list on his own website
http://www.ufopages.com/Reference/BD/Murphy-02a.htm
he is by his own attestation, the most Alien interfered with person in history, of course, he hasn't got any other evidence but anecdotes
:p
 
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Resume said:
Scwewy Wabbits.
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Speaking of "rabbits" - one of the common elements involved in repeat-abductee claims is the appearance of an animal, usually an owl but not always, that supposedly exhibits an atypical interaction with the claimant during their childhood. Anyone that reads the work of Budd Hopkins or others that peddles the alien abduction hokum is bound to come across it. The implication is that these "animals" are really 'aliens' that either through memory or sensory manipulation appear to the abductee as non-threatening animals. Google 'alien abduction and owls' and you'll see this connection.

I think most here know why I think this might be relevant. ;)
 
Archer17 said:
Speaking of "rabbits" - one of the common elements involved in repeat-abductee claims is the appearance of an animal, usually an owl but not always, that supposedly exhibits an atypical interaction with the claimant during their childhood. Anyone that reads the work of Budd Hopkins or others that peddles the alien abduction hokum is bound to come across it. The implication is that these "animals" are really 'aliens' that either through memory or sensory manipulation appear to the abductee as non-threatening animals. Google 'alien abduction and owls' and you'll see this connection.

I think most here know why I think this might be relevant. ;)
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That's really interesting. Thanks.

I googled and that is incredible. Is it part of the culture or something psychotic?
 
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23_Tauri said:
The first person to find a Bohemian Grove connection gets bonus points. :D


OMG, there exists an alien abduction help forum on the internetz :boggled:
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I think I've found something but it's late here and the mental torture involved in wading through that. :eek:
 
I would be interested to see if more "owls" appeared after the film Fourth Kind hit the screens. In the way that descriptions of Greys seemed to change to match Close Encounters, then more malicious abductions seemed to be reported after the X Files, and so forth. No statistical data to hand, but always noticed trends in claims followed pop culture.
 
The semantics was bothering me for a while, and ufology's dishonest form of argument reminded me of another poster here that uses English translations of scripture to make arguments. For example, that poster has argued that Jesus didn't condone beating slaves by citing a centuries-later translation of "doulos" from Greek to English as "servant."

In other languages, what words do they use to denote the concept of an unknown thing in the sky? My Spanish is mostly from Mexico, where I have occasionally heard someone use "UFO" borrowed from the US lexicon:

ufo
m. ovni.
♦ El nombre proviene de las siglas de Unidentified Flying Object.
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More proper Spanish uses "OVNI" (as noted in the definition above).

OVNI Objeto Volador No Identificado (Unidentified Flying Object)

I can't speak for many languages, but the romance languages are all the same acronym.

Italian:
OVNI Oggetto Volante Non Identificato (Unidentified Flying Object)

French:
OVNI Objet Volant Non-Identifié (Unidentified Flying Object)

Portuguese:
OVNI Objecto Voador Não Identificado (Unidentified Flying Object)

Via Google, I see lots of German references to UFO sightings that use the word "UFO," not sure of the intrinsic meaning of the word there...

Here's a google image search of "UFO" in Chinese (飞碟). Lots of flying saucer and unidentified things in the sky. I back-translated it a few ways via google and it looks like it means the same as UFO and OVNI. Unidentified Flying Object.

Anyway, I've been reading but not posting for a while and that's what I've been thinking. Semantic arguments are de facto restricted to one's mother tongue, and may ignore the global nature of these phenomena.

As far as pronunciation somehow making the acronym mean different things, a la "yoo-foe," in romance languages it's much more common to pronounce acronyms as words. So "OVNI" is often said "ov-knee," but it still means "unidentified flying object." Anyone else have any thoughts, especially those with different mother tongues?
 
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I really don't have much to offer in a semantical sense, I think whether one chooses to call something they find unidentified in the sky a 'UFO,' UAP (NARCAP's varient), "flying saucer," or ufology's sloppy use of an acronym that contains a 'U' to paint certain sightings as an identified object (alien craft), the "thingie" is what it is. Semantics won't change that. What some folks don't seem to understand is that whatever pet notion they have for what a particular unidentified object might be it's not going to be universally accepted without irrefutable evidence and shouldn't be. The biggest mystery to me is not the UFOs themselves but how some people can't understand that.
 
Archer17 said:
one of the common elements involved in repeat-abductee claims is the appearance of an animal, usually an owl ;)
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thats not Aliens, thats Jareth the Goblin King coming to steal your baby brother, or at a push its Harry Potter trying to send you a message
:D
 
I wonder if UFOs and aliens will change with the new "Resistance: Fall Of Man" alien paradigm. No smooth saucers, no greys, but ultracomplex craft with many moving parts and multi-eyed aliens with claws.
 
Archer17 said:
I really don't have much to offer in a semantical sense, I think whether one chooses to call something they find unidentified in the sky a 'UFO,' UAP (NARCAP's varient), "flying saucer," or ufology's sloppy use of an acronym that contains a 'U' to paint certain sightings as an identified object (alien craft), the "thingie" is what it is. Semantics won't change that. What some folks don't seem to understand is that whatever pet notion they have for what a particular unidentified object might be it's not going to be universally accepted without irrefutable evidence and shouldn't be. The biggest mystery to me is not the UFOs themselves but how some people can't understand that.
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Usually the argument runs like this: "Oh, sure, this particular anecdote may not be evidence, but there's so many anecdotes that one of them must be evidence."

It reminds me a little of the boy who was happy when given a bag of manure for Christmas. He started looking all over the house. "With all this horse ****, there's bound to be a pony around here somewhere!"
 
carlitos said:
The semantics was bothering me for a while, and ufology's dishonest form of argument reminded me of another poster here that uses English translations of scripture to make arguments. For example, that poster has argued that Jesus didn't condone beating slaves by citing a centuries-later translation of "doulos" from Greek to English as "servant."

In other languages, what words do they use to denote the concept of an unknown thing in the sky? My Spanish is mostly from Mexico, where I have occasionally heard someone use "UFO" borrowed from the US lexicon:



More proper Spanish uses "OVNI" (as noted in the definition above).

OVNI Objeto Volador No Identificado (Unidentified Flying Object)

I can't speak for many languages, but the romance languages are all the same acronym.

Italian:
OVNI Oggetto Volante Non Identificato (Unidentified Flying Object)

French:
OVNI Objet Volant Non-Identifié (Unidentified Flying Object)

Portuguese:
OVNI Objecto Voador Não Identificado (Unidentified Flying Object)

Via Google, I see lots of German references to UFO sightings that use the word "UFO," not sure of the intrinsic meaning of the word there...

Here's a google image search of "UFO" in Chinese (飞碟). Lots of flying saucer and unidentified things in the sky. I back-translated it a few ways via google and it looks like it means the same as UFO and OVNI. Unidentified Flying Object.

Anyway, I've been reading but not posting for a while and that's what I've been thinking. Semantic arguments are de facto restricted to one's mother tongue, and may ignore the global nature of these phenomena.

As far as pronunciation somehow making the acronym mean different things, a la "yoo-foe," in romance languages it's much more common to pronounce acronyms as words. So "OVNI" is often said "ov-knee," but it still means "unidentified flying object." Anyone else have any thoughts, especially those with different mother tongues?
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I live in the USA and have friends from all over this country, and have never heard anyone pronounce "UFO" as "yoo-foe." Since that pronunciation is said to be North American in origin, I suspect it must be a Canadian thing.
 
John Albert said:
I live in the USA and have friends from all over this country, and have never heard anyone pronounce "UFO" as "yoo-foe." Since that pronunciation is said to be North American in origin, I suspect it must be a Canadian thing.
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No, "you-foe" is a pronunciation promoted by "ufologists" in both countries for some reason. It seems to be one of the many quirks they use to attempt to pass off "ufology" as a legitimate science.
 
John Albert said:
I live in the USA and have friends from all over this country, and have never heard anyone pronounce "UFO" as "yoo-foe." Since that pronunciation is said to be North American in origin, I suspect it must be a Canadian thing.
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Likewise, it's definitely not a UKian pronunciation . I have never heard anyone say "yoo foe"
 
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