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There are no material objects

dafydd said:
Where was truth before life existed on Earth? Truth exists only in the human mind. Name one thing that mysticism has done to benefit mankind? It wasn't mystics who gave you the internet to air your misguided views.
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You are being obtuse and ignorant. Read the previous link, maybe, I'm hoping, and eye opener. Hint, a naive materialist is not an skeptic, nor a critical thinker.
 
Resume said:
Stretching is good!
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I do Hatha yoga every day. But Siddhis, Chakras and all the Nirvana crap, nah. Fantasies.

Here are some Siddhis

Doorshravan: to hear, sitting at one place, speech from however distant a place.
Dudarshan: to see simultaneously events and things in all the realms.
Manojava: the body can travel at the speed of thought to any place.
Kaamaroopa: to assume any form. Shapeshifting.
Parakayapravesh: ability to enter into another's body, whether they are dead or alive.
Swachchandamrutyu: to die at one's own will, death having no control over one.
Sahakridanudarshanam: to see the sports of gods in heaven and have capacity and prowess to participate in it.
Yathaasamkalpa samsiddhi: to attain whatever is desired.
Ajnaapratihataagatih: whereby one's command and movement have no obstruction
Anima: the reduction of one's form to one atom. Invisibility
Mahima/Garima: the body can be made to be very heavy.
Laghima: the body can be made to be extremely light
Prapti: abilty to acquire objects of sense pertaining to the respective organs.
Prakaashya: to see invisible things in other realms.
Ishitaa: to stimulate bodies and creatures Control of forces of nature.
Vashita: to have control or dominion over the senses.
Yatkamastadavasyati: To obtain joy by willing it so. The cessation of misery and desire. This is considered to be the highest state of bliss

They forgot Conmanama: The ability to get sums of money out of gullible Westerners.
 
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I would be more impressed by our mystics if they could post here using the mystical internet.
 
dafydd said:
I would be more impressed by our mystics if they could post here using the mystical internet.
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They're doing it now. And as you can see, no difference between doing it, and not doing it.
 
dafydd said:
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Yatkamastadavasyati: To obtain joy by willing it so. The cessation of misery and desire. This is considered to be the highest state of bliss

They forgot Conmanama: The ability to get sums of money out of gullible Westerners.
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All that this "Zen" stuff is is teaching yourself to masturbate without using your hands.
 
punshhh said:
The truth is and always was(before humanity evolved) what is true and is an unfathomable mystery for the human mind.
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So the truth is what is true? Why do so many people think tautologies are profound?


Bodhi Dharma Zen said:
Indeed. I guess doing yoga, or muay thai, would be also woo for them :rolleyes:
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Doing yoga is fine. Thinking you are straightening out your chakras or unblocking your chi, not so much.
 
Bodhi Dharma Zen said:
I will make aguess, you are one of those individuals who believe that if you can't see the point, then its absurd... Interesting.
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No it makes him (and me) the kind of person that finds things that don't have a point... you know... pointless.
 
JoeBentley said:
No it makes him (and me) the kind of person that finds things that don't have a point... you know... pointless.
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And so, whats the difference between you, and an inquisitor? There are countless of reasons people actually do things, life is a big thing, and many many things that are pointless for you, like for instance (put inside here whatever else is pointless for you), mean a life for someone else. Grow up, the world is a big place, and every mind is a universe.
 
Bodhi Dharma Zen said:
And so, whats the difference between you, and an inquisitor? There are countless of reasons people actually do things, life is a big thing, and many many things that are pointless for you, like for instance (put inside here whatever else is pointless for you), mean a life for someone else. Grow up, the world is a big place, and every mind is a universe.
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And for those who think every mind is a mind?
 
dafydd said:
Truth only exists in the human mind. I doubt that dogs and horses are concerning themselves with it. Where was truth two billion years ago when the main form of life on Earth was stromatolites? While we're here, name one thing that mysticism has done to benefit mankind. You keep dodging this question, mainly because you have no answer. Do we all agree now that there are material objects?
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You are discussing the use of the word truth in its use in language, which is a relative term and has no bearing on the truth of existence or ontologies.

Truth is a word., I'm addressing the truth of existence, its a different thing, or hadn't you realised?
 
yy2bggggs said:
You seem to almost but not quite be aware that truth is a description of reality. To be true, sure, it does have to describe reality. But to be true, it also has to be a description. And descriptions are a property of the human mind. You cannot escape your mind.
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When discussing ontology, a true ontology is one which describes, or knows accurately the true nature of existence.

You can escape your human mind, this is a cornerstone of the mystical quest for truth.

I've highlighted two references to the term "human mind" that you made within the span of a few posts presumably describing the same thing. One of them conflicts with the other.
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They may appear to conflict, perhaps we need to go to a deeper level to determine the difference.
The human mind is capable of intellectually understanding a certain level of truth.
Also the human mind is capable of beholding and knowing a certain level of truth.
The later includes truths which the human mind is not capable of understanding intellectually.

This is hubris and rude.
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I appologise if it is rude, I remain to be convinced that many people on this forum are seeking truth.

So, when you tell me about the true ontological nature of water, are your words wet?
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Provided I'm not spitting the words out no. I cannot tell you about the true ontological nature of water as I don't know.
 
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Bodhi Dharma Zen said:
Under which parameters an ontology would be able to be true?
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To be close in nature to what actually exists.
My approach which is the only approach not entirely confined to the mind is that the true ontology is nature itself.

Nature is a perfect expression of the true ontology, one need only open ones eyes.

Woo spoiler alert!

Or to use a theological analogy, only heaven exists, we are already in this heaven and dwelling in paradise. But blind to the truth as our eyes are as yet closed to reality we stumble around tripping over perfection and gorging ourselves on reflections of our own inadequacies.

Woo spoiler alert!
 
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