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There are no material objects

Dancing David said:
So how would you tell the difference?

The end result is the same.
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Yes the end result we are a part of is the same as far as we can determine.

However in reality it is likely to be entirely different or impossible and using the intellect in a logical reductionist/scientific way renders it impossible to determine.

And yet there are other approaches to a true ontology. Of course they all fall into the category of woo here.
 
punshhh said:
However in reality it is likely to be entirely different or impossible and using the intellect in a logical reductionist/scientific way renders it impossible to determine.

And yet there are other approaches to a true ontology. Of course they all fall into the category of woo here.
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What you mean by "true ontology"?
 
punshhh said:
And yet there are other approaches to a true ontology. Of course they all fall into the category of woo here.
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Everywhere else too. So there is only one true specification of a conceptualization?
 
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Bodhi Dharma Zen said:
And so, you now claim that Zen is "paranormal"? Excuse me for asking, have you grasped what Zen is about? You accuse people of making word salads when you don't understand, and everything indicates you are lost about what Zen is.
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I thought everyone was lost about what Zen was. I thought that was the whole point.
 
Bodhi Dharma Zen said:
What you mean by "true ontology"?
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I am referring to an ontology which is close to the truth* or at least as close as the human mind can get.

You see Bodhi I am a truth seeker, a rare breed on a forum like this;)


*what actually exists and its consequences.
 
Twiler said:
I thought everyone was lost about what Zen was. I thought that was the whole point.
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Maybe skeptics and the like are lost as to what Zen is. There are many who know what it is and practice it with much reward.
 
dafydd said:
Everywhere else too. So there is only one true specification of a conceptualization?
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I don't know if I am on your ignore list yet. But let me give you a hint.

Truth or what the concept of truth refers to has nothing to do with the machinations of the human mind.
 
punshhh said:
I don't know if I am on your ignore list yet. But let me give you a hint.

Truth or what the concept of truth refers to has nothing to do with the machinations of the human mind.
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Truth only exists in the human mind. I doubt that dogs and horses are concerning themselves with it. Where was truth two billion years ago when the main form of life on Earth was stromatolites? While we're here, name one thing that mysticism has done to benefit mankind. You keep dodging this question, mainly because you have no answer. Do we all agree now that there are material objects?
 
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dafydd said:
Truth only exists in the human mind. I doubt that dogs and horses are concerning themselves with it. Where was truth two billion years ago when the main form of life on Earth was stromatolites? While we're here, name one thing that mysticism has done to benefit mankind. You keep dodging this question, mainly because you have no answer. Do we all agree now that there are material objects?
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The concept of truth exists in the human mind along with all the other concepts.

The truth is and always was(before humanity evolved) what is true and is an unfathomable mystery for the human mind.

Mysticism has enabled many to adopt a realistic perspective on reality, subsequently impacting their activity in the human world.

Yes there are some material objects, of course no one knows what one is.
 
punshhh said:
I am referring to an ontology which is close to the truth* or at least as close as the human mind can get.
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punshhh said:
Truth or what the concept of truth refers to has nothing to do with the machinations of the human mind.
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You seem to almost but not quite be aware that truth is a description of reality. To be true, sure, it does have to describe reality. But to be true, it also has to be a description. And descriptions are a property of the human mind. You cannot escape your mind.

I've highlighted two references to the term "human mind" that you made within the span of a few posts presumably describing the same thing. One of them conflicts with the other.
You see Bodhi I am a truth seeker, a rare breed on a forum like this;)
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This is hubris and rude.
*what actually exists and its consequences.
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So, when you tell me about the true ontological nature of water, are your words wet?
 
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punshhh said:
The concept of truth exists in the human mind along with all the other concepts.

The truth is and always was(before humanity evolved) what is true and is an unfathomable mystery for the human mind.

Mysticism has enabled many to adopt a realistic perspective on reality, subsequently impacting their activity in the human world.

Yes there are some material objects, of course no one knows what one is.
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Where was truth before life existed on Earth? Truth exists only in the human mind. Name one thing that mysticism has done to benefit mankind? It wasn't mystics who gave you the internet to air your misguided views.
 
You see Bodhi I am a truth seeker, a rare breed on a forum like this
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This is hubris and rude.
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And hilariously funny. Punshh wouldn't recognize the truth even if it jumped up and bit him on the backside. Hubris is misplaced in a man who spells the brake on his car as 'break'.
 
punshhh said:
I am referring to an ontology which is close to the truth* or at least as close as the human mind can get.

You see Bodhi I am a truth seeker, a rare breed on a forum like this;)


*what actually exists and its consequences.
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Under which parameters an ontology would be able to be true?
 
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