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Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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I'm sitting here at my desk, right in the middle of one of the most technologically advance cities in the world, with a 1Gb fibre connection right to my apartment, and in a location, according to the telcos, with fully operational 4G mobile broadband.

My cell phone is turned on. If you send me an SMS right now, I almost certainlywon't get it. The phone even has signal bars, but I won't get the SMS. If I go step on to my balcony, the SMS may come through then. It might even come through if I go to my bathroom (interestingly, more in the center of the building).

I have no problem at all believing Sollecito's phone may have been on all night and he didn't get the SMS until next morning.

ETA: Oh - and I have no idea if I turned the phone off at all yesterday. Whether something is remembered clearly or not is primarily determined by what you were doing at the time of the event in question and how important it was. My brain doesn't bother remembering things like when or if I turned my phone off. Utterly unimportant to me.

The whole "cell phone = murderer" formula doesn't really seem to work anymore, does it?

I wonder if Raffaelle and Amanda will read all this stuff,? I mean they are both in the age group to surf forums?
 
The whole "cell phone = murderer" formula doesn't really seem to work anymore, does it?

I wonder if Raffaelle and Amanda will read all this stuff,? I mean they are both in the age group to surf forums?

I wish they were reading this. Perhaps they could post here and explain why they told conflicting stories about the feces in the toilet. I will never be able to move on from this case until this mystery is resolved. :D
 
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Has he ever explained why his comments to the daily mail conflict with his current account?

He claimed that the Daily Mail article is false, but (as LondonJohn) pointed out, he has not sued them, and that suggests that they have quotations from him on file.


Don't forget that his current account is that he was hit by the police. That is what he told Katie Crouch per her article and confirmation of statement. Of course that isn't his official position. :/
 
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Simply publishing the wrong article would be understandable. I believe Sky made the same mistake.

That's not the problem. The problem is publishing an article with fake quotes and fake descriptions of the scene.

Does anyone have a link to this article?
 
Don't forget that his current account is that he was hit by the police. That is what he told Katie Crouch per her article and confirmation of statement. Of course that isn't his official position. :/

Another slip up. He probably got a visit from some guys wielding baseball bats over this.
 
Not about Halloween.
It is on Nov 17 in the jail.
So being stoned is not an excuse, either, this time. :)

November 17th? What happened then? I just checked his diary and there's no entry for that day, did you mean another source? I can't think of what it could be, except maybe that Telenorbo 'interview' or whatever it was? I don't recall much from that germane to this issue, if that's what it was.

That on Nov 2 Raffaele gave the first account how they had passed the murder night.
And he did not mixed it up with Halloween.
So it is unlikely that 3 days later he did.

This I'm also unaware of, what source does this come from? Is this from the Postals as noted in Matteini? Was he interviewed later that day?

At any rate this is the one where he was right but in the 10:40 statement of the fifth he 'recanted' to the day before, my guess being stoned and shoeless and maybe getting a little Masonic massage by the police he told them more or less what happened on the 31st: they split up at the town square and he went home around 9 PM and she returned at about 1 AM. We all know it didn't happen, it's close enough to what did happen on Halloween it seems a reasonable inference that's what happened.

They put the pressure on and since they didn't like the real answer he figured he might have it wrong and one that they thought was correct, a perfectly reasonable thing to do for a stoned college kid being told he was wrong by police who he figured must know better, and he guessed maybe he had it wrong because Amanda had said something about the (correct) night and he went along with it because he 'didn't think about the contradictions'--that didn't exist. Except of course the ones the cops put there. Angry policeman can really get their way sometimes when they insist they are right and the subject doesn't really know for sure and doesn't think it matters much.

After all Raffaele has no reason to think the cops were mistaken or that it was important, why would anyone suspect them? They might have given him the same 'hard evidence' line of bull they'd be giving Amanda. What did you expect poor Raffaele to do, argue with them?

They asked Raffaele, he said that Amanda had gone from his flat for hours while he was constantly staying there.
What could they have got from him about his role in the murder?
He did not know about Patrick (nor about Rudy in my opinion).

Of course he didn't--but the cops didn't know that. Those nasty suspicious minds have just seen him recant his story for the murder--and incidentally leave himself alibi-less. They are investigating a rape-murder. They suspect Amanda, who is constantly cuddling with Raffaele and following him around like a frightened puppy. Monica Napoleoni will make a special point of berating Amanda for it when they're done with Raffaele. They've noticed, as Giobbi will tell Paul Ciolino--do you remember what he also said about studying their behavior together when he called them in?

Bolint, do you know the best way to tell if someone is lying in a situation like this? Look at the statement and see if it fits the circumstances and context. If the cops have just gotten him to admit he's 'lying' about his alibi in 25 easy minutes, and they have reason to believe Amanda is involved with a male, who do you suppose the number one suspect ought to be? The brand new boyfriend is a really good candidate, especially as they've been following them around calling them 'cretins' and such and tapping their phones.

Sooooo, here Raffaele is in this room all by himself while they go after Amanda about someone else. Then they get Patrick's name and they just...fall under her spell and do what she wishes and become zombies? It doesn't even occur to them she might be lying and trying to place the blame elsewhere, maybe away from cuddly-pie sitting shoeless in the next room? They aren't inherently suspicious of him anyway?

People can be weird, but institutions have policies and procedures and my brother's eight year-old could figure this one out. This is pretty much as obvious a lie as can be told. It's pretty clear it was they who wanted Patrick, not Amanda, which incidentally is what her statements, note, and their bizarre reaction to them including triumphalist behavior making the arrests and parading through town will tell you. They are lying about this--it was they who wanted Patrick, Amanda was run over just like Raffaele was.

Isn't it more fun finding real Bad Guys with real lies rather than confused kids who didn't get close enough to sniff Rudy's dump and were mistaken? :)
 
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Does anyone have a link to this article?

This shows the screen shot:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-mail-the-sun/2011/10/04/gIQAXtrlKL_blog.html


mail-guilty.jpg
 
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Don't forget that his current account is that he was hit by the police. That is what he told Katie Crouch per her article and confirmation of statement. Of course that isn't his official position. :/

I don't recall -- did Katie say she recorded it?
 
:D
That's awesome. Hellmann: verdict is NOT A WITCH.

haha.
Pacelli shocked a lot of people with his diatribe against Amanda. She-devil?
Geez.

Also odd - Mignini stood by his man Toto at the same time Comodi tried to change ToD to before 10:00 p.m. These people are honestly just outrageous and completely whacked.


Well, on a purely academic basis, it was possible for Curatolo's *ahem* "recollection" to be compatible with a pre-10pm ToD. Remember that he claimed to have seen Knox and Sollecito near the basketball court at various times between around 9.30pm and 11.30pm. In his version, therefore, it's *possible* that (e.g.) he saw Knox & Sollecito at 9.30, they then went to the cottage and participated in the murder, and they then returned to the square to keep watch on the cottage. And remember too, that ironically Mignini originally had to reject multiple versions of Toto's story until his end-time stretched out to beyond 11.30pm - allowing Toto to be compatible with the 11.30+ ToD.

The more interesting thing is that Mignini and Comodi threw Nara Capezzali (and Antonella Monacchia) to the wolves once they realised that the 11.30-11.40pm ToD was totally indefensible once someone took a proper look at stomach/duodenum contents. A pre-10pm ToD makes a complete mockery of the "earwitness" testimony which was seemingly so very significant to both the prosecution and the court in the Massei trial. And at this point, it's worth repeating - for posterity - the priceless reasoning of Massei in relation to Capezzali's credibility:

If there had not been such a scream, and if Mrs. Capezzali had not actually heard it, then the Court can see no reason why she would have spoken about it.
(Massei, p96, English trans)


I hope that Massei is thoroughly ashamed of himself when he reads this paragraph back in the light of Hellmann's court's ruling. And that's only one of many appalling errors of reason and logic made in Massei's court. I hope - for his sake and the sake of criminal justice in Perugia - that Massei's conduct in the first trial does not now go unaddressed by higher powers.
 
Well I actually believe Patrick over the Daily Mail. This is the same paper and same "journalist"( Pisa) that posted Amanda Knox was guilty with FAKE QUOTES. I don't know how anyone can trust anything they report after that atrociously false article. Patrick should sue them.

I think the point that people have been making is that, with Patrick's penchant for getting his retribution for what happened to him in the form of monetary compensation, plus the favorable environment in the UK for suing for slander, it seems likely that if he did not say this, or they don't have proof that he said it, he would be suing them right now, especially since this interview was years ago. The reason I can think of as to why he isn't is because they have it on tape. Just a guess, but logical. :)
 
I think the point that people have been making is that, with Patrick's penchant for getting his retribution for what happened to him in the form of monetary compensation, plus the favorable environment in the UK for suing for slander, it seems likely that if he did not say this, or they don't have proof that he said it, he would be suing them right now, especially since this interview was years ago. The reason I can think of as to why he isn't is because they have it on tape. Just a guess, but logical. :)

And the article is still up on the daily mail, isn't it?
 
Kaosium,

Patrick Lumumba also spoke falsely about being the nephew of Patrice Lumumba, according to a relative of the latter. He does not have much credibility with me, and I have pretty much lost sympathy for him as well. Good poem about the 5th of November, BTW.

Oh, it's not mine, I stole it shamelessly and modified it to my liking! I read it originally in....an Agatha Christie novel...
:p

As far as Patrick, to an extent I can kinda get it. He gets hauled out of his home feeding his baby, subjected to an interrogation there's good reason to believe was even more stringent than Amanda's, send him to jail for two weeks and play the same sorts of mindgames with him, and he gets out and immediately hires a lawyer and starts talking to the Mail for boatloads of British pounds.

He got his mad out, but he never quit, it's...the police who did that to Patrick, not the helpless girl in the cage. :(
 
I am at a loss to understand why anybody is so interested in the minutiae of what two people did one evening several years ago, when it's already been proved in court that what they didn't do was murder someone. Now that's out of the way, what does it matter?
Hi Matthew Best,
Well put. :)

You know what I am really interested in?
That black Golf that Hekuran Kokmani's said was his that was parked at the top of the cottage driveway the night Miss Meredith Kercher was slain...
 
Does anyone have a link to this article?

smkovalinksy said:
This shows the screen shot:


That one has only a small part of the originally published story, though. Here's a link to a screenshot of the entire (bogus) story with made-up quotes and imaginary scenes and all, not to mention the rather ominous typo, "media scum" ;) :

https://sites.google.com/site/rodriguezlawsuit/home/falseAKRSstory.jpg

(I couldn't get it to upload here or post it as an attachment because it was too large, so I just uploaded it to one of my own webpages in order to link to it here.)
 
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Has he ever explained why his comments to the daily mail conflict with his current account?

At the time (roughly) Frank Sfarzo talked to him and wrote it up. Damn I wish that slug Mignini hadn't made the Shock go dark, they never restored the most important archives thus I can't link it. What I recall is he felt justified, Frank agreed, but Frank also said he was a changed man, just...not the same guy. The police had him for two weeks while the press was going all 'Foxy Knoxy has a knife!' They probably really did a number on him, reinforced by the people of Perugia no doubt, who'd get up at Midnight to applaud the verdict....

Apparently despite the ubiquitous unrest after this verdict Steve Moore said most of them had changed their minds. I sure hope so.
 
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I hope that Massei is thoroughly ashamed of himself when he reads this paragraph back in the light of Hellmann's court's ruling.

I wouldn't bet on it. If his comments on the Conti-Vecchiotti report are any guide, he probably thinks the overturning of his judgements is just "part of the physiology of trials". :)
 
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