Merged General Holocaust denial discussion thread

[uke2se]

If they did, then why are you still able to post, saggyhoax??

But lets assume that they do for a second. They're not going to take kindly to being "exposed", so you should be very afraid when the "hit squads" take notice of you...


So all you have to do to "prove yourself" right is to disappear...your "chums" here will assume you have been eliminated.

It's a win for everybody.

I would endorse this course of action. It wouldn't be beyond Saggs to attempt this kind of deception, anyway.

 

[R.A.F.]

...how does the hoax exist with no evidence that is not obviously phony, even to a 10 year old?

That's easy saggyhoax...you were ignorant when you were 10, and you just never grew out of it.


Not unlike flying saucer believers who never outgrow that childhood fantasy.

 

[R.A.F.]

Oh, and Saggy lied again.

Saggyhoax lies??? Well, that just makes him a good little NAZI.


Have you shaved your head, yet, Saggyhoax??

 

[LemmyCaution]

Which is what makes the idea of "extermination through work" so inane. It's easy to starve somebody to death. It's very difficult to starve somebody almost to death and then maintain them in that state while they are performing manual labor. Even holding a gun to somebody's head isn't going to compensate for the effects of starvation. When the car runs out of gas, slashing its tires won't make it go faster.

It is almost but not quite comical to listen to you guys thrash around trying to figure this out using your form of "logic" when the sources are there to explain what "extermination through labor," in the more colloquial usage Nick mentioned, was all about. The issue was famously mooted at the Wannsee conference, and recorded in the protocol thus:

Under proper guidance, in the course of the final solution the Jews are to be allocated for appropriate labor in the East. Able-bodied Jews, separated according to sex, will be taken in large work columns to these areas for work on roads, in the course of which action doubtless a large portion will be eliminated by natural causes.

The possible final remnant will, since it will undoubtedly consist of the most resistant portion, have to be treated accordingly, because it is the product of natural selection and would, if released, act as the seed of a new Jewish revival (see the experience of history.)

The discussants seemed to have come up with an idea, unknown to you, for exploiting some Jews, who occupied the lowest rung of the Nazis racial ladder, prior to their deaths and in many cases working them so hard and feeding them so little that the labor itself killed them off "by natural causes." The ignorance displayed by the two of you - which includes ignorance of the many sources on this topic and is compounded by your groundless speculation of what should have been Nazi thinking - would be astonishing were we not well versed in it.

 

[Saggy]

This is the same Dachau at which in the first four months of 1945, the Nazis recorded the deaths of 15,384 prisoners?

It is well known that many persons died in the camps in the last months. The Nazis recorded the deaths, for crying out loud.

What is not known is that many survived, and the Nazis did everything in their power to prevent the deaths. The picture I linked to will never be published in any major US media.

The degenerate Zionist liars use these deaths, in the form of the pictures taken at Belsen, to provide phony 'evidence' of the holohoax.

 

[LemmyCaution]

That's just babble. Work was work. It needed to be done in a timely manner. It wasn't a game of red light, green light.


You could help by telling the truth and skipping the nonsense.

No, it wasn't a game of red light/green light. It was "separate out Jews who can work," "kill the rest of the Jews," and "kill the working Jews in the end." The main goal wasn't what you think it was, and the motives weren't neat and clean: in the final analysis, the Jews were to die, and from those who were work capable, the last bits of their lives were to be exhausted laboring for the Reich. Those "babble" books you refuse to read, and of whose contents you are ignorant, explain all this. It's neither confusing nor hard to grasp, just different from your expectations because your expectations are not based on knowledge of Nazi actions, thinking, policy, or behavior. What isn't clear is why you bother, given your profound lack of knowledge and contempt for acquiring any.

 

[LemmyCaution]

"Forty-eight states and the District of Columbia have social-studies standards that are crafted by their respective departments of education (the Alabama Department of Education, the South Dakota Department of Education, etc.). Teachers are required to address these standards-all of which include study of the Holocaust-in their classes. "

That sounds like most states mandate some sort of holocaust education in their schools.

Judging from an in-depth look at Texas's standards and from the textbooks in use, a class period or two, at most, per year. And, by the way, content "mandates" are no big deal: the thousands of non-Holocaust references in state standards are mandated, too. Yep, there's a little knowledge of the Holocaust a student is expected to have along with all the other topics. The only problem here is that they learn so little and what they learn, judging from the materials used, is really pretty poor.

 

[uke2se]

What is not known is that many survived,

Yes, that is well known, and that's why we have so many eyewitnesses.

and the Nazis did everything in their power to prevent the deaths.

This is not well known, primarilly because it's a degenerate lie. (See, I can use that word too.)

The picture I linked to will never be published in any major US media.

Why? How do you know? What is it that you think the photo shows?

The degenerate Zionist liars use these deaths, in the form of the pictures taken at Belsen, to provide phony 'evidence' of the holohoax.

The only proven degenerate liar here is you, Saggs.

 

[Nick Terry]

It is well known that many persons died in the camps in the last months. The Nazis recorded the deaths, for crying out loud.

So, when the Third Reich was collapsing and camp records were going up in smoke, you're contending that every death in the final phase was recorded by the Nazis? Really?

What is not known is that many survived,

No, this is well known.

and the Nazis did everything in their power to prevent the deaths.

This is untrue.

The picture I linked to will never be published in any major US media.

The media, in case you forgot, deals mainly in current affairs. There's little reason why they would publish any picture of Dachau in a newspaper today.

The degenerate Zionist liars

Oh FFS. Stop repeating yourself, you tedious bore.

use these deaths, in the form of the pictures taken at Belsen,

a moment ago you were talking about Dachau. Even a retard should recognise they were different camps.

to provide phony 'evidence' of the holohoax.

15,000 people, Jews and non-Jews, died at Dachau in 1945. 35,000 at Belsen. 13,000 at Buchenwald. 36,000 at Mauthausen. In 1945. In just a few months. That's already 99,000 deaths and I haven't even added in the other camps, or the prisoners who died on the death marches in between the camps.

Jews and non-Jews, Saggy. That's something you always seem to forget when you are blethering on. But it's not difficult to understand, most people manage to grasp this perfectly well.

 

[R.A.F.]

The degenerate Zionist liars...

Put a sock in it, saggyhoax...the only ignorant, hate filled liar here is you.

 

[R.A.F.]

...the Nazis did everything in their power to prevent the deaths.

Another lie from our "resident" little NAZI boy.


Tell another whopper, Saggyhoax.

 

[Saggy]

The media, in case you forgot, deals mainly in current affairs. There's little reason why they would publish any picture of Dachau in a newspaper today.

Here you can see the Belsen pics, the ONLY pics that are ever published in the US media, and they have been broadcast over and over ad infinitum since the 1940's, for example in the recent Oprah and Elie at Auschwitz show. Of course it was not mentioned that pictures were from Belsen, and that the prisoners died of disease, instead, as they were shown, Oprah intoned these words ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slZMOkYJFO0

"Evil has a name, the holocaust. A systematic mass murder, meticulously planned and executed by Nazi Germany that brutally wiped millions of people off the face of the earth. More than six million of those human beings were Jewish."

The US media never tires of these degenerate lies.

Thus the complete dishonesty of NT is easily demonstrated. The holohoax lie is demonstrated. The Zionist control of the US media is demonstrated. The first few minutes of the Oprah/Elie Auschwitz show is the holohoax in a nutshell.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Here you can see the Belsen pics, the ONLY pics that are ever published in the US media, and they have been broadcast over and over ad infinitum since the 1940's, for example in the recent Oprah and Elie at Auschwitz show. Of course it was not mentioned that pictures were from Belsen, and that the prisoners died of disease, instead, as they were shown, Oprah intoned these words ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slZMOkYJFO0

"Evil has a name, the holocaust. A systematic mass murder, meticulously planned and executed by Nazi Germany that brutally wiped millions of people off the face of the earth. More than six million of those human beings were Jewish."

The US media never tires of these degenerate lies.

Thus the complete dishonesty of NT is easily demonstrated. The holohoax lie is demonstrated. The Zionist control of the US media is demonstrated. The first few minutes of the Oprah/Elie Auschwitz show is the holohoax in a nutshell.

It's called imprinting. The MSM has made Nazis looming monsters, guilty of any heinous atrocity without remorse.

Yet all those bloodthirsty Nazis assimilated seamlessly back into German society. I'm sure if the US were occupied, even for 100 years, there would still be civil unrest in the 100th year.

 

[Saggy]

The latest scam ...

US Holocaust survivors to receive federal funds
By GIL SHEFLER, JPOST CORRESPONDENT
08/05/2011 05:21

http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Article.aspx?id=232580

Check out the comments, in the Jerusalem Post no less. People are getting fed up.

It'll be interesting to track the bill.

 

[Wroclaw]

Yet all those bloodthirsty Nazis assimilated seamlessly back into German society. I'm sure if the US were occupied, even for 100 years, there would still be civil unrest in the 100th year.

And indeed there was:

http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1358

Don't forget that the U.S. South was under a full military occupation for twelve long years:

http://www.ushistory.org/us/35b.asp

Germany was occupied for ten, though they were given free elections after only four.

And it took a bit of work to reintegrate Nazis back into society:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/apr/24/exorcising-hitler-germany-frederick-taylor

You really don't know anything about anything, do you?

 

[Wroclaw]

Don't forget also, Clayton, that East Germany fell under Soviet rule and military occupation after the war. Now tell us all why June 17, 1953, is an important date in German history, OK?

 

[Wroclaw]

Free clue:

http://www.amazon.com/Plebeians-Rehearse-Uprising-Tragedy-Harvest/dp/0156720507

 

[Clayton Moore]

And it took a bit of work to reintegrate Nazis back into society:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/apr/24/exorcising-hitler-germany-frederick-taylor

You really don't know anything about anything, do you?

You don't read well, do you?

They were even less certain about how to punish the Nazis and find the "good Germans" to govern the country. Taylor explains that the process, after the high-profile Nuremberg trials, was characterised by realpolitik. In 1945 there were 8 million Nazi party members, more than 10% of the population. Among teachers, lawyers and civil servants the percentage was far higher. Basic services could not be run without them.

The British were the most pragmatic and quickly gave up looking for any Nazis apart from major war criminals. Many prominent Nazis moved to Britain's zone of occupation – perhaps not our finest hour. The leaders in Washington had a good line in rhetoric about "no safe havens" for Nazis. Yet America's record was poor, not helped when it spirited to the US various rocket scientists who had been Hitler's favourites.

Like you and your ilk here, even the turd who wrote the review, Victor Sebestyen, seems to think the 8 million Nazis who survived should have been hunted down and punished. I wonder why?

 

[MG1962]

You don't read well, do you?



Like you and your ilk here, even the turd who wrote the review, Victor Sebestyen, seems to think the 8 million Nazis who survived should have been hunted down and punished. I wonder why?

Well feel free to speculate - never stopped you before. Why does he SEEM to think 8 million people should be hunted down and punished for the horrendous crime of existing

 

[Clayton Moore]

Don't forget also, Clayton, that East Germany fell under Soviet rule and military occupation after the war. Now tell us all why June 17, 1953, is an important date in German history, OK?

This thread is about the Holohoax and the liars who instigated it.