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Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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DarkStar2011 said:
I'm just trying to figure out how you think Hellmann not calling Massei an idiot is "ominous for the defense." :confused:
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I think you'll find that Rose was just joking (being sarcastic).

There's a certain guilter who kept saying that things were looking 'ominous' for the defence during the recent trial. It was just a continuation of that 'theme' so to speak. :)
 
Machiavelli said:
I subscribe entirely with these actions. I think he was right. I would probably have sued more people. But probably me and you don't abide exactly the same set of rules and values.
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I wish to steal the spotlight from CDHost and state unequivocally that I don't abide the same rules and values as you assert here.

While you profess to some expertise in Italian law and criminal procedure, the rules and values that you articulate throughout your postings appear to describe some modern, dare I say fascist police state, in which the PM (representing the state) can never be wrong. In your postings it would appear the sole duty of the Italian courts and press is to affirm the PM in his findings and to facilitate cases/charges against those who would cross him or accuse him of misconduct. Clearly those with vast sums of money or freemasons are the most likely to do so. But I digress.

For me and some other members of this forum, your postings represent a true dilemma. I have a daughter, who much like AK was raised in the Seattle catholic schools and firmly believes in justice and human rights. She has asked to spend a summer in Italy with friends. They have some money, but I don't know if they are freemasons. My questions to you would be:

1. Is Italy a signatory to the ECHR?

2. If my daughter were by some random chance to witness a horrific crime in Italy would she be questioned by honorable individuals such as you and would she be subject under Italian law to your rules and values?

I look forward to your reply.
 
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Diocletus said:
I think you have a very poor understanding of the law of interrogations.

Try to understand this logically. Before Knox signed any statement, her "words" existed on the document typed by the police. And, before they existed on the police document, she spoke these words (assuming they typed them accurately). Knox's words as she spoke them, are her statements and her admissions, and they are incriminating facts.

Once Knox had spoken these words, she was more then a person informed of the facts--she became a suspect, and as such, had rights to counsel, as Mignini acknowledges. It was thereafter illegal for the police to continue to question her or to attempt to persuade her to sign the statement that the police typed. Mignini acknowledges this.

No civilized western country allows police to conduct a custodial interrogation of a suspect in the way you suggest.

The interrogation was illegal.
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OmG Diocletus you are climbing on the impossible. What you say challenges the basis of our human logic.
Formal suspects are people who have released incriminating statements to the police or to magistrates, or against whom evidence has been already collected. The signature of a paper is not a requirement. The verbalization is an administrative act for the investigators, not a document directly produced by the person. Police are considered witnesses.
By the way: evidence does not work like thet: pieces of evidence always require a witness (the pieces of evidence never stand alone without witnesses in the Italian trial). Second: a statement released to the police cannot be produced as an evidence in a court. Never. In no case.

Mignini does not acknowledge anything that you said. Not at all. The police had their incriminating statement legally. They stopped the interrogation after Amanda explained her version. Which was a very short explanation by the way, but can be long. This is entirely legal: it is like it has to be. The incriminating statement is considered circumstantial evidence in the investigation and a document for practical use in the investigation, but it is still an informal act, not a judicial act nor a piece of evidence itself in a trial; it can be used in trial but cannot be used against the person who released it. There is no police misconduct in this, this is the normal police work. And there is nothing illegal in obtaining the document. The only thing is that the document is not usable in a trial against the person who released it. It is provided that the police collects incriminating statements from suspects; it is only not permitted their use in a trial for certain purposes.
 
Fruit of the Poisonous Tree?

Just a question from a regular lurker:

Does anyone with actual knowledge of the Italian legal system know if there is a tenet in Italian law/jurisprudence that compares to this as it is used in the American courts?

In the USA calunnia would be thrown out for that reason. If her right to have counsel present was violated (as it was - the minute they suspected her and continued the questioning with that suspicion in mind), then anything obtained from her after that point is inadmissable. There have been cases where some of the material obtained was allowed through a trial, but I believe they've all been reversed in appeals.
 
I was just being told, on another forum, that it was very meaningful that there were shouts of "shame", and booing, outside the courthouse after the verdict. What I am trying to understand is, why is it "shameful" if Hellman found there was not enough evidence to convict? Isn't this one of the bedrocks of universal jurisprudence? Or can you now convict without sufficient evidence?:confused:
 
Continuing from the Masonic CT recap. . .

Machiavelli said:
The fact that you attempt to ping accusations on Mignini in order to serve criminals interests, is the self-evident proof that there is a dirty campaign against him.
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Mignini gets a 16 month prison sentence for abuse of office and to you bringing that up is "self evident proof of a dirty campaign against him"? Why isn't it self evident proof that he is an untrustworthy criminal?

Now that RS and AK have been found innocent perhaps the only "criminal interest" being served here is your bizzaro defense of Mignini.

Your attempts consist in clinging to flimsy suggestions and bad translations.
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Do you have a better translation of what Mignini said? Maybe you missed it on PMF since it was promptly erased but I told you and The Machine that the date Mignini said the halloween sect stuff in court was probably October 18, 2008. If you could get the verbatim text of what he said maybe you could show how Mansey's quotation of Mignini is inaccurate. Your claim that Mignini didn't say those things seems like wishful thinking on your part since Mansey's account is basically supported by Nadeua, Follain, Micheli, and Kercher, all of whom are considered credible by your PMF clan.

To really understand how deranged Mignini is look at the core of his in court suggestions regarding Halloween ignoring words like "sect" or "ritual". Mignini said the original plan was to kill Meredith on Halloween. It doesn't matter if one calls that a ritual motive, or satanism, or halloweenism, it all points the same thing. Mignini thought the murder had an intention related to Halloween. What is the significance of Halloween here? If that isn't an occult motive what is it?

Mignini linking the motive to Raffael's Japanese graphic novel that included female vampires being killed was just as dubious. Nadeau said the comic was described as a cross between "Satan worship and pornography." I've read reviews of the comic online, it's sex and violence content sounds milder then Francis Ford Coppola's Dracula movie. The graphic novel is Blood: The Last Vampire 2002, it is mainstream manga part of a series that included multiple video games and young adult books. It would be nice to have Mignini's verbatim statements on the matter but linking the comic to anything remotely close to Satanism and a murder motive is insane.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood:_The_Last_Vampire

To put this in perspective remember Mignini was investigating a crime scene with a break in involving a habitual burglar with a recent escalation towards violence. But rather than pursuing the case as a burglary gone horribly wrong Mignini instead imagines that the break in was staged and the burglar's involvement was only due to him being swept up in the Halloween manga ritual murder plans of others. Mignini could have focused upon a suspect that had previously broken into a second story window in a manner identical to the crime scene and who had previously threatened the occupant of a different home he had broken into with a knife. Instead Mignini focuses on a theory of the crime that has a 20 year old girl with no history of violence as the ring leader somehow inspired by her boyfriends comics and the need to kill someone on Halloween.

If you were balanced you would consider, for example, that Doug Preston's account of facts on Mignini is simply impossible, as well as inconsistent; he is lying, and he is not willing to prove his assertions in any venue, while Mignini has five or more witnesses in his favour.
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Why are you bringing Preston into this? All I have been quoting is you and Mignini. This isn't PMF where you can blame Preston for all the stupid things Mignini has said.

This is another lie. You feel just as if you don't need to prove any of those nonsense assertions. Prove what you say.
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It's easy to provide the proof of how wrong you are Machiavelli. Didn't you realize whenever the proof was provided at PMF it was just erased?

Here is proof of "a half dozen false stories", and I am even making a point of only selecting stories there is such incontrovertible evidence against that even those who still think AK and RS know they are false:

1.Investigators falsely say Knox called Guede twice on night of the murder.

Investigators say Mr Guede left Perugia on the morning after the murder and went to Milan, where he was stopped by police but not detained. Detectives locked on to his mobile phone signal in Milan as recently as this weekend, but it then went dead. Amanda Knox made at least two calls to his number, one of them at 11am on 2 November, around the time police discovered Kercher's body.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-fourth-suspect-in-kercher-murder-758731.html

2. Police lie and say "clear cut image" of knox on CCTV footage shows her entering home contradicting here alibi and placing her at time and place of murder.

A camera in the carpark opposite Miss Kercher’s house has a "clear-cut image" of 20-year-old Amanda Knox, from Seattle, on the premises, according to police.

The revelation apparently contradicts Knox’s latest assertion that she was "not in the house" that she and Miss Kercher shared in Perugia, Italy, on the night her flatmate died.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1569140/Meredith-murder-suspect-caught-on-CCTV.html

3. Police say two receipts for bleach were found for morning after the murder time stamped at 8:30am and 9:15am.

Police said that further evidence against Mr Sollecito had come to light in the form of receipts from a shop near his flat for bleach, bought on the morning after the murder and allegedly used to clean an 8in kitchen knife and Mr Sollecito’s Nike trainers. The first receipt was timed at 8.30am on November 2, and the second 45 minutes later, suggesting that the first container of bleach had not been sufficient. The bleach was also used to clean up the flat itself.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2894139.ece

4. Police release bogus bloody bathroom picture to media spurring the idea that Knox is crazed psycho killer.

The images also show the apartment's bathroom sink and walls smeared with blood.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-scene-reveal-apartment-bloodbath-horror.html

5. Police falsely state that Sollecito's shoes are a match for bloody shoe prints found at crime scene.

Investigators report finding 120 fingerprints, among them some said to be Knox's, on Kercher's pillow, along with three bloody Nike sneaker footprints on the floor, an exact match in size and style, they say, to Sollecito's shoes.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2007/11/14/death-in-perugia.html

Edgardo Giobbi . . . "Sollecito's shoe size is 42 and the footprint is a 42." He quashed speculation that the print could have come from the latest suspect, Rudy Hermann Guede. "Guede is a size 45," he said.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1570389/Knox-a-fantasist-says-Meredith-suspect.html

6. Police lie and say that the Harry Potter book AK says she read with RS the night of murder was at the cottage with Meredith.

A Harry Potter book which Amanda Knox, the American student suspected of involvement in the murder of Meredith Kercher, claimed to have read at her boyfriend's flat on the evening of the murder has been found — not at the flat but at the cottage where the British student was killed.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3073340.ece

All those stories are within 3 months of the murder, not one of them is true. What more proof do you need before you will realize there has been something very wrong with the prosecution of AK and RS?
 
Diocletus said:
"Really silly"? Then I think you should have a talk with Massei. What do you want me to do--rewrite his report for him? The report says what it says--that the calunnia occured on the night of November 5-6. It does not say that the callunia kept on going for some indeterminite period of time.

I'm sorry, but 7:30 am is not the "night". It is the morning.
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"This statement which, as specified in the entry of 6 November 2007, 20:00 pm, by the Police Chief Inspector, Rita Ficarra, was drawn up, following the notification of the detention measure, by Amanda Knox, who ‚requested blank papers in order to produce a written statement to hand over‛ to the same Ficarra." (Massei [418])​

Perhaps this is an error in the translation. Is there any better source for the timing of events on that day?
 
smkovalinksy said:
I was just being told, on another forum, that it was very meaningful that there were shouts of "shame", and booing, outside the courthouse after the verdict. What I am trying to understand is, why is it "shameful" if Hellman found there was not enough evidence to convict? Isn't this one of the bedrocks of universal jurisprudence? Or can you now convict without sufficient evidence?:confused:
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Oh, it's "meaningful" all right, but in another direction -- the fact that off-duty police officers could arrange for a rent-a-mob to intimidate the judge, jurors, and defense attorneys is "meaningful" as an indication of just how inbred the justice/LE system in Perugia had become. It's a good thing the prison guards were able to hustle the freed defendants out of court before the mob got their hands on them.
 
This was recently posted on another forum. Contains some interesting information.
Another juror, Mauro Chialli, speaks out:

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/10/ ... 23820.html


ROME -- One of the jurors who overturned Amanda Knox's murder conviction said Friday he was never convinced by the "conjecture" of the prosecution's case and that he believed the U.S. student and her co-defendant simply didn't kill her British roommate. . . .

In an interview Friday with Italy's state-run RAI television, Chialli said he had spent a lot of time during the 10-month appeals trial reading the faces of Knox and Sollecito and determined they were telling the truth in insisting on their innocence. . . .

Chialli said there were several elements of the prosecution's case that didn't convince him, primarily the lack of a motive and uncertainties about the precise time of Kercher's death.

"What didn't convice me was that in the end, it was an accusation based on so many conjectures," he said. "It could have been this way, it could have been another way."
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"many conjectures"

Example, luminol footprints. Could be blood, may not be blood. I guess Comodi's "it's either blood or fruit juice" didn't sway Chialli.
 
curi0us said:
Continuing from the Masonic CT recap. . .

Mignini gets a 16 month prison sentence for abuse of office and to you bringing that up is "self evident proof of a dirty campaign against him"? Why isn't it self evident proof that he is an untrustworthy criminal?

Now that RS and AK have been found innocent perhaps the only "criminal interest" being served here is your bizzaro defense of Mignini.

Do you have a better translation of what Mignini said? Maybe you missed it on PMF since it was promptly erased but I told you and The Machine that the date Mignini said the halloween sect stuff in court was probably October 18, 2008. If you could get the verbatim text of what he said maybe you could show how Mansey's quotation of Mignini is inaccurate. Your claim that Mignini didn't say those things seems like wishful thinking on your part since Mansey's account is basically supported by Nadeua, Follain, Micheli, and Kercher, all of whom are considered credible by your PMF clan.

To really understand how deranged Mignini is look at the core of his in court suggestions regarding Halloween ignoring words like "sect" or "ritual". Mignini said the original plan was to kill Meredith on Halloween. It doesn't matter if one calls that a ritual motive, or satanism, or halloweenism, it all points the same thing. Mignini thought the murder had an intention related to Halloween. What is the significance of Halloween here? If that isn't an occult motive what is it?

Mignini linking the motive to Raffael's Japanese graphic novel that included female vampires being killed was just as dubious. Nadeau said the comic was described as a cross between "Satan worship and pornography." I've read reviews of the comic online, it's sex and violence content sounds milder then Francis Ford Coppola's Dracula movie. The graphic novel is Blood: The Last Vampire 2002, it is mainstream manga part of a series that included multiple video games and young adult books. It would be nice to have Mignini's verbatim statements on the matter but linking the comic to anything remotely close to Satanism and a murder motive is insane.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood:_The_Last_Vampire

To put this in perspective remember Mignini was investigating a crime scene with a break in involving a habitual burglar with a recent escalation towards violence. But rather than pursuing the case as a burglary gone horribly wrong Mignini instead imagines that the break in was staged and the burglar's involvement was only due to him being swept up in the Halloween manga ritual murder plans of others. Mignini could have focused upon a suspect that had previously broken into a second story window in a manner identical to the crime scene and who had previously threatened the occupant of a different home he had broken into with a knife. Instead Mignini focuses on a theory of the crime that has a 20 year old girl with no history of violence as the ring leader somehow inspired by her boyfriends comics and the need to kill someone on Halloween.

Why are you bringing Preston into this? All I have been quoting is you and Mignini. This isn't PMF where you can blame Preston for all the stupid things Mignini has said.

It's easy to provide the proof of how wrong you are Machiavelli. Didn't you realize whenever the proof was provided at PMF it was just erased?

Here is proof of "a half dozen false stories", and I am even making a point of only selecting stories there is such incontrovertible evidence against that even those who still think AK and RS know they are false:

1.Investigators falsely say Knox called Guede twice on night of the murder.

Investigators say Mr Guede left Perugia on the morning after the murder and went to Milan, where he was stopped by police but not detained. Detectives locked on to his mobile phone signal in Milan as recently as this weekend, but it then went dead. Amanda Knox made at least two calls to his number, one of them at 11am on 2 November, around the time police discovered Kercher's body.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-fourth-suspect-in-kercher-murder-758731.html

2. Police lie and say "clear cut image" of knox on CCTV footage shows her entering home contradicting here alibi and placing her at time and place of murder.

A camera in the carpark opposite Miss Kercher’s house has a "clear-cut image" of 20-year-old Amanda Knox, from Seattle, on the premises, according to police.

The revelation apparently contradicts Knox’s latest assertion that she was "not in the house" that she and Miss Kercher shared in Perugia, Italy, on the night her flatmate died.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1569140/Meredith-murder-suspect-caught-on-CCTV.html

3. Police say two receipts for bleach were found for morning after the murder time stamped at 8:30am and 9:15am.

Police said that further evidence against Mr Sollecito had come to light in the form of receipts from a shop near his flat for bleach, bought on the morning after the murder and allegedly used to clean an 8in kitchen knife and Mr Sollecito’s Nike trainers. The first receipt was timed at 8.30am on November 2, and the second 45 minutes later, suggesting that the first container of bleach had not been sufficient. The bleach was also used to clean up the flat itself.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2894139.ece

4. Police release bogus bloody bathroom picture to media spurring the idea that Knox is crazed psycho killer.

The images also show the apartment's bathroom sink and walls smeared with blood.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-scene-reveal-apartment-bloodbath-horror.html

5. Police falsely state that Sollecito's shoes are a match for bloody shoe prints found at crime scene.

Investigators report finding 120 fingerprints, among them some said to be Knox's, on Kercher's pillow, along with three bloody Nike sneaker footprints on the floor, an exact match in size and style, they say, to Sollecito's shoes.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2007/11/14/death-in-perugia.html

Edgardo Giobbi . . . "Sollecito's shoe size is 42 and the footprint is a 42." He quashed speculation that the print could have come from the latest suspect, Rudy Hermann Guede. "Guede is a size 45," he said.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1570389/Knox-a-fantasist-says-Meredith-suspect.html

6. Police lie and say that the Harry Potter book AK says she read with RS the night of murder was at the cottage with Meredith.

A Harry Potter book which Amanda Knox, the American student suspected of involvement in the murder of Meredith Kercher, claimed to have read at her boyfriend's flat on the evening of the murder has been found — not at the flat but at the cottage where the British student was killed.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3073340.ece

All those stories are within 3 months of the murder, not one of them is true. What more proof do you need before you will realize there has been something very wrong with the prosecution of AK and RS?
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Don't forget the conflicting accounts Mignini gave for why he didn't record Amanda's illegal interrogation.
 
Excellent points curiOus but I fear they will fall on deaf ears.

It's pretty clear what's going on here and elsewhere, as the guilters scurry round in desperate and vain attempts to salvage some semblance of an argument, despite the truth being pretty obvious.

They are definitely hurting IMO - so many of them have lost face after all the arrogant bravado and foolish predictions that AK / RS would be convicted of the murder charges in the appeal trial. A number of them were even predicting the sentences being INCREASED to 30 years!

Now that the delusions have been shown as precisely that, many of them appear to be finding it extremely difficult to cope and seem unable to extract themselves from their hitherto entrenched, immoral and irrational positions.

It's an exercise in futility but I fully expect most of them to continue in the same deplorable vein for a while yet.

An interesting phenomenon to behold though! :hypnotize
 
curi0us said:
Here is proof of "a half dozen false stories", and I am even making a point of only selecting stories there is such incontrovertible evidence against that even those who still think AK and RS know they are false:
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:jaw-dropp

I now understand much better why so many of the general public believe Knox is guilty :(

Thanks for that list.
 
Swimfish said:
1. Is Italy a signatory to the ECHR?
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Yes.

2. If my daughter were by some random chance to witness a horrific crime in Italy would she be questioned by honorable individuals such as you and would she be subject under Italian law to your rules and values?
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I can't say that an entire nation may ever abide to "my" rules and values.
I think my rules are quite aligned with most of the law, and my vaules on the point reflect in many aspets a significant part, I don't know if a majority but a vast portion of society.

But I utterly disagree with your interpretation of my values as "fascist" nor those of a state where the Public Minister controls everything. In a fascist state - as Italy was one - the Public Ministers were humiliated and stripped of any power and independence. The whole power was on the police and governmental authorities. This about history.

There is a basic misunderstanding that seems go on: people mistake my arguments for one whose mindset is founded on a trust of authority.
This is fundamentally false: I am not at all a person who trusts authority. Nor are Italians. Most Italians are extremely skeptical about authority as I am. You mistake my arguments for arguments of authority. But in fact mostly my arguments are argumenta a contrariis. Which is most of the arguments that are massively present in Italian morality.

Let me quote an author here: Tobias Jones, a British journalist who wrote this non-fiction book "the dark heart of Italy".
I don't know what can be the value of this book, but it was interesting to me as a curiosity, like antropological description meant to amuse the English speaking reader:

"Thus, after a few month, I saw that the country wasn't happily caothic, but rather systemised and rigidly hierarchical."

"the more words I learnt, though, and the more I understood their origins, the more the country seemed, not caothic, but incredibly hierarchical and formal. (...) The next word which recurred again and again was vaguely related: sistemare, which means to order or sort out. A situation was invariably sistemato, 'systemised', be it a bill, a problem, a relationship. It can also be a murderous sorting out: lui è stato sistemato 'he's been sorted'. The rigidity, the search for orderliness, was eveywhere. 'All's well" is "tutt'a posto", everything is in its place. Randomness is a recent, imported concept (the English is used as in the verb randomizzare). Rules are, at least on the surface, very important in Italy"

"In Italy there is a morality that is unlike anything I have ever come across before".

"Here post offices and banks are large, emptied churches. They're sacred, communal places with the same shaft of oblique sunlight falling from high windows. There's a sense of people meekly approaching authority as they queque for communicants." "I used to get infuriated in such situations when I first arrived, but now I rather enjoy them"
"nowhere are offices as powerful as in Italy"

(Tobias Jones)

I don't know what to say. I think Italy is not properly a police state. Or not at all in fact. It is - probably compared to other countries as you would feel it - a place full of rules, where all people more or less know each other (nobody is really "unknown"), they tend observe each other, to be loyal to something or to some rule, but those are probably not the points. Maybe more important could be that Italians want to see all details systematised and fitting together, they are obstinate in their search of order and solutions in some way, and that they demand much more to the citizen than elsewhere.
But in the end I utterly dn't think that these differences make any real difference in the case, nor that they would make any difference in a murder case. Knox and Sollecito would have been arrested immediately in the UK as well, in a different fashion, different situation and with different arguments. The first interrogation of Sollecito for example would have been used and brought to court immediately.
 
Machiavelli said:
OmG Diocletus you are climbing on the impossible. What you say challenges the basis of our human logic.
Formal suspects are people who have released incriminating statements to the police or to magistrates, or against whom evidence has been already collected. The signature of a paper is not a requirement. The verbalization is an administrative act for the investigators, not a document directly produced by the person. Police are considered witnesses.
By the way: evidence does not work like thet: pieces of evidence always require a witness (the pieces of evidence never stand alone without witnesses in the Italian trial). Second: a statement released to the police cannot be produced as an evidence in a court. Never. In no case.

Mignini does not acknowledge anything that you said. Not at all. The police had their incriminating statement legally. They stopped the interrogation after Amanda explained her version. Which was a very short explanation by the way, but can be long. This is entirely legal: it is like it has to be. The incriminating statement is considered circumstantial evidence in the investigation and a document for practical use in the investigation, but it is still an informal act, not a judicial act nor a piece of evidence itself in a trial; it can be used in trial but cannot be used against the person who released it. There is no police misconduct in this, this is the normal police work. And there is nothing illegal in obtaining the document. The only thing is that the document is not usable in a trial against the person who released it. It is provided that the police collects incriminating statements from suspects; it is only not permitted their use in a trial for certain purposes.
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So your position is that a person who the police suspect of a crime and is being subject to a custodial interrogation in Italy has no right to counsel and no right to remain silent until the police have succeeded in extracting a confession from that person by whatever means they want? This is absurd and you cannot seriously expect anyone to believe such a thing.

BTW--where are those code provisions you promised. So far, all I see is Mignini, international law and common sense saying the opposite of what you say.
 
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It's completely illogical when you consider that Hellmann himself said the C&V report was the turning point in his perception of the case.
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As LJ noted immediately and Komponisto & Katy-Did soon corroborated (I think I recall that sequence right) the C & V report did not just condemn the DNA, but the entire forensic debacle.

The DNA 'evidence' was crucial as it was in the most important spot and had the 'magic DNA effect' going for it and was the only thing that even implied Raffaele and Amanda were in the murder room. However as simply evidence it was the worst as it was developed under such suspicious circumstances and was so weak in nature it was actually evidence against the prosecution.

In my view the best actual physical evidence was the blood spot on the tap. Unlike all the rest of it, that actually existed and definitely placed Amanda at a spot the murderer cleaned up and Meredith's blood was present. It never mixed and was coagulated suggesting compared to the victim's blood it was older, and of course Amanda had no wounds, but at least it was real. The luminol prints were just stains that tested negative for blood, the 'mixed DNA' was meaningless, the 'staged' break-in was a joke and the bathmat print looked more like Rudy's to most people, so it's not like it had much competition, but at least it didn't run over half a dozen falsifiers to even be considered evidence at all.
 
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