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...lacked a good enough aiming point.

OK, Patrick...I have a question for you...

You say that they lacked a good enough aiming point, well, how "good" an "aiming point" would be necessary, in your opinion? Within how many (you select the unit of measurement) would it take to be "on target"?
 
Of course you did not get sick silly!

I've read this whole thread, and since the subject it back, again, to poop, I'll relate an embarrassing story from when my youngest daughter was still a baby. She's 25 now.

For supper one evening, we had fried chicken, the type with a batter(?) type crust on the skin. After we started eating, my daughter figured it was time to have a BM. So, I wiped my hands on a napkin, changed her diaper, disposed of the diaper in the trash. Very normal. On the way back from the trash, I noticed what I thought was a speck of the chicken batter on my finger, so, I licked it off. It wasn't chicken batter, it was..........well, I think everyone knows what it was.

The point is........I DID NOT get sick with.......well, anything. You really can eat **** and not have dire consequences happen.

Phil

Of course you didn't get sick silly!

You actually eat small amounts of your own poop and other people's poop all of the time. That's how you get sick with this stuff when it is infected; hepatitis, salmonella, viral gastroenteritis, C. dificile toxin associated enteritis and so forth. It is on food, not to mention other stuff. You just do not see it.

Say your daughter did have diarrhea due to an infectious etiology, and then you ate her poop. What would happen then? You might get very sick. And if this happened to an astronaut, say he/she got infected with Salmonella, the astronaut could easily die.

Also, you ate a pinch of poop. In the Borman diarrhea scenario, there is potentially infectious fecal material floating everywhere, on everything. You did not inhale your child's aerosolized fecal material in any meaningful quantity. Matter of fact, you did not inhale any at all.

You cannot compare the two situations mate. Imagine yourself to be in a fairly small room, a zero-G Apollo command module, and stool is floating about, vomitus floating about, courtesy of one of your cabin mates. To the best of your knowledge, this material is infected, contains virus and/or bacteria which could make you ill, so a competent flight surgeon just told you. How comfortable do you feel up there so far from home and appropriate medical attention?

Keep in mind, there would be much infectious material floating in the "air" that you could not see, invisible. You would be breathing this in. The air may be filtered, but you would be breathing this in regardless, breathing it in to some degree. Also, the material as it touches fomites/objects, will contaminate them. So if this were just a simple viral gastroenteritis that contaminated the room/Apollo capsule in which you find yourself, you may get out alive, sure, but you will pay a price. You will get very sick yourself Pilth53, no way around this. Fever/dehydration/electrolyte imbalance/no way to address these issuses well. You may well survive, but you won't be a very good astronaut while you are sick.

So you and two other guys manage to return to earth. You'd expect them to fix this problem, address it aggressively. You and your colleagues were lucky. The next trio might not be. What if the next go round, the astronauts get C. dificile toxin based enteritis, or something more threatening? Then what?

This is Fake Pilth53. It is spotable as fake/phony, mostly/primarily because this Borman thing happens and no one cares. Berry doesn't even write about it in the text I cited above. BOGUS!!!!!

Frank Borman suposedly has viral gastroenteritis, not as bad as Salmonella, but bad for an astronaut. Were that the case, Lovell and Anders would have gotten sick as well, almost automatically. It is that infectious and it would be everywhere.

Now you've got three guys with bad diarrhea in a space ship, what then? Is this OK? I don't think so. And the problem would need to be adressed. Do they adress it? NO! Actually, in a sense they pretend it did not happen. I have covered that.

What is at issue for the umteenth time is that a major sanitation problem was uncovered here. It is all pretend, so in a sense, no big deal. But the issue does prove Apollo fraudulent no question.

There was no way to tell what Borman had. To say he had viral gastroenteritis is a joke. SPACE BULL.

Borman wrote in that ridiculous LIFE MAgazine article I quoted in a previous post that he thought the Secanol tablet is what made him sick. So what does he do? He takes Secanol a second time on the flight. This would never happen were any of this real. A real doc would not permit that.

I could go and on as I have before, but I believe you get my point.

This is jive my friend, JIVE!!!!
 
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Looks like you've been reading my posts

Please don't. No one reads that.



Yes, I fully realize every word you type is "jive."

Phil

Looks like you've been reading my posts.

And a bit of advice. Stay away from astronaut poop. It's phony, but very smelly all the same.
 
A Laser Phobic Apollo Astronaut Is A Phony Apollo Astronaut My Friends

LASER FEAR, A KEY FEATURE OF PHONY ASTRONAUT PSYCHOLOGY

United Press International, July 19 1969;

"SCIENTISTS AIM LASER AT MOON

Fort Davis Texas (UPI)-Scientists at the University of Texas MacDonald Observatory said Friday they were aiming a blue-green laser at the Apollo 11 moon landing site to prepare for the actual landing Monday

When the astronauts land on the moon, the scientists will fire a red laser at an 18 inch square reflector to be set up on the moon's surface by the astronauts. The experiment is designed to provide precise measurements of the moon and earth ".

Note how the McDonald Observatory scientists were planning to target the LRRR, just as the Lick Observatory scientists did, when the ASTRONAUTS WERE ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE MOON!

Another quote form the UPI article emphasizing this;

"The blue-green laser is being beamed at the moon this week for locating and alignment purposes.

A UT spokesman said the scientists hoped the astronauts would be able to see the blue-green laser, but apparently the earth's cloud cover prevented that.

The blue-green argon laser is more easily seen by the human eye than the ruby laser that will be used in the actual experiment, scientists said."

So the McDonald scientists, thinking this Apollo 11 moon landing nonsense legitimate want to get the astronauts to confirm that they can identify the very visible blue-green argon laser they are operating, just as Surveyor VII easily "identified" the blue-green lasers that it imaged with its camera in 1968. If the scientists can confirm the astronauts can actually see the laser in a dry run from cislunar space, then they can be morte confident in the astronauts' being able to see the laser at crunch time, the moment of truth, during the actual landing.

From the Apollo 11 Voice Transcript;


"CC: Roger. We got a little laser visual experiment we'd like to for_you to do for us;. If-if you got the Earth through any of your windows or through the telescope, would you so advise? Over.


CMP: Stand by one, Charlie.

CMP: At this roll attitude, what should our high- gain angles be? MaNbe that would help us locate you. We don't see you in the lens

CC: Stand by.

CC: Hello, Apollo 11. Houston. Those high gain angles are pitch minus 70, yaw 90. We think the Earth is apparently pretty close to
plus z-axis. Over.

CMP: Okay.


CMP: Okay, Charlie. I got you _in the telescope.

CC: Roger, Apollo 11. We've got a last_r that we're going to - It's a blue-green laser that we're going to flash on and off at a frequency of on for a second, off for a second. It's coming out of McDonald Observatory near E1 Pa,no, which is - should be right on the terminator --or right inside the terminator. We are going_ to activate that momentarily. Would you please take a look through the telescope and see if you can see it. Over.

CMP: Telescope? Or sextant?

CC: Either one. Over.

CMP: Okay, I'll try it _with the telescope; and' if I don't see it there, then I'll try the sextant.,

CC: Roger. We'll give you the word when they've_ got it turned on. Over.

CMP: Okay.

CC: 11, Houston. They don't have it turned on yet. We'll giw-_ you the word when they got it turned on. Over.

CMP: Okay.

CC: Hello, Apollo 11. Houston. We noticed the CR¥O pressure dropped a moment ago. Did you stir up the CRYO's? Over.

CDR: Roger. We've finished our cycling operations.·_

CC: Roger. Copy. Out. '

CC: Hello, Apollo 11. Houston. McDonald's got the laser turned on, Would you take a look?, Over.

CMP: Okay, Charlie.


CC: It's bluish-green.

CC: 11, Houston. We got some shaft and trunnion for you that might tweak it up a little bit. Shaft of 141.5, trunnion of 39.5. Over. '

CDR: Okay. Stand by.

CC: Apollo 11, Houston. If you see it it should be coming up - appear to be coming up,through the clouds. McDonald reports that there's a break in the clouds that they're beaming this thing through. Over.

CDR: Roger.

CC: Hello, Apollo 11. Houston. You can terminate the exercise on the Laser. Our rates are steady enough now for - to commence the PTC. Over.

LMP: Okays Houston. Neither Neil nor Mike can see it. Incidentally_ those shafts and trunnions just missed pointing at the world.

CC: Roger. Thank you.

LMP: As we are looking at it through the scanning telescope, it would _e about a - oh, maybe a third of s_ Earth radii high and to the left.

CC: Roger.

LMP: But, we did - but we did identify the E1 Paso area and it appeared to us to be a break in the clouds there, and we looked in that break and saw nothing.

CC: Roger. Thank you much. Out.

CMP: Houston, Apollo 11. Over."





Boy oh boy do we copy the bull now. So the United Press International article confirms what we've known all along, the astronauts deny stars so that they may legitimately deny seeing lasers. And as we see, they have to deny the McDonald argon blue-green laser because, though it is easily seen by the human eye, the astronauts are not on the moon to seen it. Were they, someone might ask them to photograph it, video image the laser as Surveyor VII did in 1968.
So the astronauts pretend they can't see it. Well they are not in a space ship flying to the moon so they are not "pretending" that they cannot see the laser in that sense.

The UPI quote again;

"The blue-green laser is being beamed at the moon this week for locating and alignment purposes.

A UT spokesman said the scientists hoped the astronauts would be able to see the blue-green laser, but apparently the earth's cloud cover prevented that."

Best to deny the laser altogether. If one does that though, one must deny stars as well, as they are roughly of the same brightness. Laser fear is at the root of the star denial feature of the Apollo 11 fraud.

What a silly ruse!!!!??!!!! Is it not???!!!???
 
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Looks like you've been reading my posts.

And a bit of advice. Stay away from astronaut poop. It's phony, but very smelly all the same.

I've skimmed them. I'll give you a clue.

Short, consise posts are much more likely to read than the giganic you've spewed forth.

When/if I ever need advise from someone that know's nothing, you'll be the first I call upon.

Oh, count me as one that knows you know nothing about Apollo, or what it did, or didn't do.

Phil
 
<grumble - promised myself I wouldn't respond to this nut case any more...>

Borman felt sick, threw up a couple of times and had one loose BM in a poop bag. The astronauts cleaned up the vomit and any specks of diarrhea that escaped. Borman felt better.

So, what lay in store for the other two if whatever affected Borman turned out to be a viral infection and they got the same thing? Uncontrollable vomiting and copious liquid diarrhea, raging fever, dehydration, delirium, a plague of frogs and death. If you ask Dr Patrick.

Luckily, NASA hired some real doctors.
 
<grumble - promised myself I wouldn't respond to this nut case any more...>

Borman felt sick, threw up a couple of times and had one loose BM in a poop bag. The astronauts cleaned up the vomit and any specks of diarrhea that escaped. Borman felt better.

So, what lay in store for the other two if whatever affected Borman turned out to be a viral infection and they got the same thing? Uncontrollable vomiting and copious liquid diarrhea, raging fever, dehydration, delirium, a plague of frogs and death. If you ask Dr Patrick.

Luckily, NASA hired some real doctors.

A lot of real doctors, MDs and PhDs, all ready and willing to put their names to the medical report.

Patrick has no qualifications.
 
No, "Patrick", it's not that complicated - they just didn't see the laser from space.

I'll ask again: why is it that you want so very badly for Apollo to have not have been real?
 
THIS PROVES IT RIGHT HERE, NO WAY THE FUZZY BUZZY WUZZY ONE IS AN AUTHENTIC ASTRONAUT. AUTHENTIC ASTRONAUTS DON'T MONEY GRUB. CHECK THIS OUT.

From the WASHINGTON POST, Tuesday, December 28, 2010;

Buzz Aldrin Sues Trading Card Company Over Moonwalk Photograph

By Stuart Pfeifer


"Buzz Aldrin was the second person to set foot on the moon. Now he's the first to sue Topps Inc. for putting a photograph of the historic moment on its "American Heroes" series of trading cards.

The 80-year-old retired astronaut sued Topps on Monday in federal court in Los Angeles, contending that the trading card company had unjustly profited from his historic achievement by including a photograph of the Apollo 11 mission in a series of trading cards….

Why shouldn't he? If you have read Carrying The Fire, as you have repeatedly claimed, you will know that the astronauts were not paid a fortune. It is true that the NASA photographs are in the public domain, but this does not grant the right to use them for commercial purposes. NASA agree that if the astronauts face is shown, the astronaut has the right to ask for payment.
 
One of the reasons that astronauts tended to feel ill during Apollo missions, when it rarely happened during Gemini and Mercury, was their ability to move around the cabin. Motion sickness affected many of the astronauts (some more than others) during Apollo. With the exception of the space-walks (read the accounts of Cernan's walk especially) they astronauts were strapped into their seats and the cabin was too small for any large amount of movement. Apollo 8 was only the second manned mission of the program and the first to leave Earth orbit. During the previous mission there was minor motion sickness, with Wally Schira's head cold overshadowing it. During the next mission Rusty Schweickart had a case so bad that McDivitt almost cancelled the tests of the LM. Borman's case may have been a combination of motion sickness and a tainted food packet.
 
One of the reasons that astronauts tended to feel ill during Apollo missions, when it rarely happened during Gemini and Mercury, was their ability to move around the cabin. Motion sickness affected many of the astronauts (some more than others) during Apollo. With the exception of the space-walks (read the accounts of Cernan's walk especially) they astronauts were strapped into their seats and the cabin was too small for any large amount of movement. Apollo 8 was only the second manned mission of the program and the first to leave Earth orbit.

Good point. Michael Collins makes this clear in Carrying The Fire, which patrick claims to have read.
 
And whatever happened they weren't in a position to be able to turn around and come back. They were well outside the direct abort window as Patrick has been shown before, (and finally actually admitted to).
Perhaps if the sickness had spread they would have made a swing round the moon and come back.

It didn't, they didn't, nothing to see here.
 
What's the hold up, Patrick? Can't answer the question?

I'll repeat it for you...

You say that they lacked a good enough aiming point, well, how "good" an "aiming point" would be necessary, in your opinion? Within how many (you select the unit of measurement) would it take to be "on target"?

Don't take too long answering, otherwise "we" might think you don't know the answer.
 
I Do Know A Thing Or Two About Gastroenteritis, Bacterial/Viral

I've skimmed them. I'll give you a clue.

Short, consise posts are much more likely to read than the giganic you've spewed forth.

When/if I ever need advise from someone that know's nothing, you'll be the first I call upon.

Oh, count me as one that knows you know nothing about Apollo, or what it did, or didn't do.

Phil

I Do Know A Thing Or Two About Gastroenteritis, Bacterial/Viral. I deal with it EVERY DAY. You are of course entitled to your opinion mate as regards my own opinions on Apollo. That said, Charles Berry got his medical degree out of Cheerios Box, stone cold hard fact. That clown couldn't diagnose his way out of a paper bag, let alone an Apollo 11 Astronaut Endorsed, Lunar Landing Simulation Strength Titanium Depends. We know this for a fact. The diarrhea episode was reported in real time in all the major newspapers and then they tried to pretend it never happened.

Well guess what? We caught 'em BROWN HANDED.

Apollo is big time fake Philth53. PHONY!

AND REMEMBER YOUNG MAN, THERE IS A REASON WHY WE DEMAND THAT RESTAURANT PERSONAL WASH THEIR HANDS WELL AFTER USING THE CAN. AS YOU KNOW, IT AIN'T ALWAYS FRIED CHICKEN, AND AS YOU WERE LUCKY ENOUGH NOT TO DISCOVER, SOMETIMES IT IS INFECTED.
 
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You don't fly to the moon with your most impoortant map inaccurately gridded

It is not a non sequitur; it is completely germaine to your claim that since 2 lunar maps' grids are different then one map is a fake. Your continued failure to comprehend datums is this month's running joke.

One doesn't fly to the moon with his/her most important map inaccurately gridded, and Collins would not have done so himself, carried an inaccurate map to the moon, were this ridiculous Apollo 11 affair authentic Matt. Sorry brother, it is FAKE!

We all can see now, the map was intentionally gridded inappropriately. How does one know that? The Apollo 10 flown map autographed by Cernan had the correct scaling and grid positioning. On the Apollo 10 map, 00 41' 15" north and 23 26' 00" east is indeed at the location claimed to be Tranquility Base. On the Apollo 11 flown map, 00 41' 15" north and 23 26' 00" east is at K .2 and longitude 5.6, 1.3 miles from Tranquility Base! Can you believe this nonsense!!!!

COLLINS CARRIES A MAP TO THE MOON THAT DOES NOT EVEN CORROBORATE NASA'S OWN CLAIM AS TO THE DETAILS OF TRANQUILITY BASE'S LOCATION.

BUT!!!!!, There is a blue mark on the Apollo 11 flown map right at K .2 / 5.6 confirming at least one "map handler", a fraud perpetrator, was aware of the deception.
 
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One doesn't fly to the moon with his/her most important map inaccurately gridded, and Collins would not have done so himself, carried an inaccurate map to the moon, were this ridiculous Apollo 11 affair authentic Matt. Sorry brother, it is FAKE!

We all can see now, the map was intentionally gridded inappropriately. How does one know that? The Apollo 10 flown map autographed by Cernan had the correct scaling and grid positioning. On the Apollo 10 map, 00 41' 15" north and 23 26' 00" east is indeed at the location claimed to be Tranquility Base. On the Apollo 11 flown map, 00 41' 15" north and 23 26' 00" east is at K .2 and longitude 5.6, 1.3 miles from Tranquility Base! Can you believe this nonsense!!!!

COLLINS CARRIES A MAP TO THE MOON THAT DOES NOT EVEN CORROBORATE NASA'S OWN CLAIM AS TO THE DETAILS OF TRANQUILITY BASE'S LOCATION.

BUT!!!!!, There is a blue mark on the Apollo 11 flown map right at K .2 / 5.6 confirming at least one "map handler", a fraud perpetrator, was aware of the deception.

Stop yelling.

Did you ever notice that all of the transcripts refer to a grid location, not the lat/long. And that, once you apply the corrections, the coordinates work out? Did it ever occur to you that the charts at this scaling might have been made up prior to to the analysis from Apollo 10 being complete and there wasn't time to make them again. I work for a company that utilizes charts extensively and even in today's computer-aided design universe, revisions are not a trivial task.

Now, one more time: why do you want so badly to prove that the Apollo program was faked?
 
The Truth About Apollo's El Paso

THE REASON WE SELDOM HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT THE LRRR EXPERIMENT FROM THE MCDONALD OBSERVATORY END IS BECAUSE THE SCIENTISTS AT THAT OBSERVATORY UTILIZED A BLUE-GREEN ARGON LASER AS A LOCATING AND ALIGNING TOOL IN THEIR LRRR EFFORT. AS SUCH, THE ASTRONAUTS WOULD HAVE BEEN EXPECTED TO HAVE SEEN THIS VISIBLE SPECTRUM LASER LIGHT. THIS MAY WELL BE THE PRIMARY REASON FOR APOLLO 11 ASTRONAUT "STAR PHOBIA" AND APOLLO 11 ASTRONAUT "LASER FRIGHT".

As many of our forum's learned members are aware, two high tech Tranquility Base LRRR hunting lasers were in operation on the evening of 07/20/1969 and into the morning of 07/21/1969(and dates well well well beyond). One of those lasers was at the Lick Observatory near my own home in San Francisco, and a second laser was operating out of the Texas based McDonald Observatory.

The reason we hear so much about the Lick Observatory Laser, and relatively little about the McDonald laser, has to do with the fact that the boys at McDonald were employing a blue-green argon laser as well as the ruby red LRRR targeting laser. The story about the blue-green laser at McDonald Observatory poses a great threat to the Apollo 11 official narrative mumbo jumbo. The blue-green laser being the type imaged by the Surveyor VII probe, was a laser the astronauts would have been EXPECTED TO SEE, seen with their unaided eyes as a matter of fact. This is not the only reason, but one of the reasons, the McDonald people employed the blue-green laser as a compliment to the red one. To elaborate on this important point, I'll turn first to C.O. Alley's seminal paper published in SCIENCE, vol 167, January 5 1970. Those of us with a genuine interest in Apollo are familiar with Professor Alley from the University of Maryland. He was the point man, the lead investigator of Apollo's entire LRRR experimental program.

Here's Professor Alley reporting on his team's nothing less than sensational Apollo LRRR work (SCIENCE, 167, January 5 1970, page 369, Apollo 11 Laser Ranging Retro-Reflector:
Initial Measurements from the McDonald Observatory);


"Techniques for pointing such narrow beams to a specific location on the moon were developed during the successful Surveyor 7 laser-beam-pointing tests (5). An argon ion laser beam was brought to a focus in the telescope focal plane at the moon-image spot that was chosen for illumination. When the laser beam filled the exit pupil of the telescope and matched its f-number, the collimated beam was projected to the selected location on the moon and detected by the television camera on Surveyor 7."

So here, Professor Alley reminds us of how it all began for him and his team in earnest. By that I mean, with the "Surveyor 7 laser-beam-pointing tests" as Alley likes to call them. Once this was done, once Surveyor VII imaged the beams from Table Mountain and Kitt Peak in January of 1968, then LRRR ranging was shown to be feasible, and the only question that remained was whether Alley and his team would work with an astronaut place LRRR, or whether an unmanned craft sporting an LRRR would settle on the moon, and Alley's team would go after instead, an unmanned craft placed LRRR as a target.

As covered in a prior post, UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL carried a report on 07/19/1969, the day prior to the landing in which it was mentioned that the McDonald University Team were using a blue-green argon laser to locate and align their telescope for LRRR targeting by the ruby red laser that actually would be employed for the ranging experiment itself. Here's that segment of the UPI article(SCIENTISTS AIM LASER AT MOON, FORT DAVIS TEXAS UPI, 07/19/1969) again;

"When the astronauts land on the moon, the scientists will fire a laser at an 18-inch square reflector to be set up on the moon's surface by the astronauts. The experiment is designed to provide precise measures of movements of the moon and Earth. The blue-green laser is being beamed at the moon this week for locating and alignment purposes. A UT spokesman said the scientists hoped the astronauts would be able to see the blue-green laser, but apparently the Earth's cloud cover prevented that. The blue-green argon laser is more easily seen by the human eye than the ruby red laser that will be used in the actual experiment, scientists said."

So more and more is becoming very clear to us all. The honest, hard working conscientious scientists at McDonald Observatory were planning to target the LRRR that they believed Armstrong and Aldrin would set down. Knowing argon blue-green laser light to be visible and relatively weak/harmless if appropriate precautions were taken, the McDonald Observatory scientists tried to get the astronauts to confirm that they were able to see the McDonald blue-green argon laser light from space. This way, when Armstrong/Aldrin finally got to the moon, the astronauts would have known what to look for in terms of what the laser looked like. If they were able to see it, the blue-green light, then everybody would know the McDonald boys and presumably given good communication, the Lick Observatory boys, were all pointing their respective lasers in the correct location. Here's the Voice Transcript quote again with the McDonald scientists, working through the CapCom, trying to get the astronauts to confirm that they can indeed see what they believe the astronauts should be able to see , blue-green laser light.


Voice Transcript Time 01 11 25 49


"CC: Roger. We got a little laser visual experiment we'd like to for_you to do for us;. If-if you got the Earth through any of your windows or through the telescope, would you so advise? Over.


CMP: Stand by one, Charlie.

CMP: At this roll attitude, what should our high- gain angles be? Maybe that would help us locate you. We don't see you in the lens

CC: Stand by.

CC: Hello, Apollo 11. Houston. Those high gain angles are pitch minus 70, yaw 90. We think the Earth is apparently pretty close to 
plus z-axis. Over.

CMP: Okay.


CMP: Okay, Charlie. I got you _in the telescope.

CC: Roger, Apollo 11. We've got a laser that we're going to - It's a blue-green laser that we're going to flash on and off at a frequency of on for a second, off for a second. It's coming out of McDonald Observatory near El Paso, which is - should be right on the terminator --or right inside the terminator. We are going_ to activate that momentarily. Would you please take a look through the telescope and see if you can see it. Over.

CMP: Telescope? Or sextant?

CC: Either one. Over.

CMP: Okay, I'll try it _with the telescope; and' if I don't see it there, then I'll try the sextant.,

CC: Roger. We'll give you the word when they've_ got it turned on. Over.

CMP: Okay.

CC: 11, Houston. They don't have it turned on yet. We'll give_ you the word when they got it turned on. Over.

CMP: Okay.

CC: Hello, Apollo 11. Houston. We noticed the CR¥O pressure dropped a moment ago. Did you stir up the CRYO's? Over.

CDR: Roger. We've finished our cycling operations.·_

CC: Roger. Copy. Out. '

CC: Hello, Apollo 11. Houston. McDonald's got the laser turned on, Would you take a look?, Over.

CMP: Okay, Charlie.


CC: It's bluish-green.

CC: 11, Houston. We got some shaft and trunnion for you that might tweak it up a little bit. Shaft of 141.5, trunnion of 39.5. Over. '

CDR: Okay. Stand by.

CC: Apollo 11, Houston. If you see it it should be coming up - appear to be coming up,through the clouds. McDonald reports that there's a break in the clouds that they're beaming this thing through. Over.

CDR: Roger.

CC: Hello, Apollo 11. Houston. You can terminate the exercise on the Laser. Our rates are steady enough now for - to commence the PTC. Over.

LMP: Okay Houston. Neither Neil nor Mike can see it. Incidentally_ those shafts and trunnions just missed pointing at the world.

CC: Roger. Thank you.

LMP: As we are looking at it through the scanning telescope, it would _be about a - oh, maybe a third of an_ Earth radii high and to the left.

CC: Roger.

LMP: But, we did - but we did identify the El Paso area and it appeared to us to be a break in the clouds there, and we looked in that break and saw nothing.

CC: Roger. Thank you much. Out.

CMP: Houston, Apollo 11. Over."

So the MCDonald scientists were doing this as a "dry run". They were hoping the astronauts would say, "Yes! we see the blue-green light! Very cool!" Of course, given Apollo's fraudulence, seeing lasers is a no no no no no no no no. So all the cajoling on the part of scientists, CapCom(in on the fix) and whomever, is not going to get The Three Blind Mice to have an epiphany and admit to seeing anything but the earth and the sun floating there in space. Is everyone starting to catch on??????? The lasers are brighter than stars. So if one admits to seeing stars, then one can see the lasers, even photograph them. But if you are not really in space where you are supposed to be, truant from the surface of the moon, well then that's a problemo, mui mui mui grande!

As one notes from reading the United Press International article of 07/19/1969, an article already referenced and quoted above, the McDonald boys are a bit more sophisticated in their approach than the fellas at Lick. Every time they attempt to target the LRRR with the ruby red light, they first locate and align with the blue-green light. Quoting the UPI article again;

"The blue-green laser is being beamed at the moon this week for locating and alignment purposes."

But given the Eagle "landed off course", the scientists at McDonald Observatory would naturally have to locate and align with the blue-green light again and again, down range, wherever it was they were told the LM was, along with its LRRR. AND every time they hunt and peck with that blue-green light, were the astronauts to have been within the breadth of that beam, they would have seen it, presumably better than Surveyor VII saw the blue-green light from Table Mountain and Kitt PEak back in 1968.

Recall now journalist Harold M. Schmeck's New York Times' article of 07/21/1969 referenced and quoted in a prior post of mine, the article entitled, "THE LANDING SITE IS NOT PINPOINTED, NASA EXPERTS ARE UNABLE TO FIX SPOT ON THE MOON". The article ends with the TIMES' journalist writing;

"But once on the surface, Mr. Armstrong and Colonel Aldrin were unable to identify any scene on any of the 92(detailed maps that they carried) as the moonscape around their temporary home.

Indeed, the laser ranging experiment has failed, so far, partly because the men on earth who aimed their laser beam at the reflector the astronauts set out lacked a good enough aiming point. The laser experiment, if it had succeeded could probably have pinpointed the position of the LM within feet.

"Houston, the guys who said we wouldn't be able to tell precisely where we are are the winners today," said one of the lunar astronauts shortly after the landing yesterday.

"Roger Tranquility. No sweat. We'll figure it out," said the capsule communicator in Houston. His optimism was premature. "









But as regards the journalist's statement about the failure of the laser experiment owing to lack of accuracy in terms of landing site information, we know with certainty such was not the case. The observatories had good information, in the case of Lick Observatory, we know they were given Tranquility Base's exact location; 00 41' 15" north and 23 26' 00" on the night of the landing. Granted Wampler heard "15" as "50" that night, but that is 900 feet worth of error, almost nothing given you have been handed utterly spot on coordinates to begin with, given the laser beam is 2 miles wide, and given Wampler corrects the "15">"50" mistake the very next day. We pause here, and acknowledge the journalist's point, had the astronauts seen the blue-green laser, had the LRRR been successfully targeted, then the Eagle would have been found. Its position, its landing site remained indeterminate until August 1st 1969. The reason being, an Eagle landing site whose location was teal-time indeterminate served the intentions of those running the fraud. This has been covered in detail previously. After the astronauts returned and the LRRR was first successfully targeted on 08/01/1969, then there was no danger in saying the landing site coordinates were 00 41' 15" north and 23 26' 00" east. While the astronauts were supposed to be "up there", actually on the moon, there was plenty of danger posed to the fraud's success were there to have been a public announcement featuring accurate landing site coordinates. While the astronauts were pretending to be on the moon, the fraud's success depended on their not being precisely locatable.

So now it is all ever so ever so ever so clear as the transparent vacuum of space, a vacuum utterly courteous in allowing light to pass unimpeded, unaltered, undistorted except by gravity's effects, bending/lensing. And that light my fiends, starlight from your own zodiac sign, would have fallen from the 07/20/1969 dark lunar firmament, ever so sweetly, snowflake like, onto the starlight registering eyes of Armstrong and Aldrin. That is, were any of this real, were any of it true.

Ditto for Professor Alley's laser light, the argon sired blue-green photons from the McDonald Observatory, they would have roared through cislunar space, and would have found Armstrong eyes, and in so doing, would have found the commander's "unpinpointed" Eagle, the LRRR, and the Truth, if there were any truth to be found as regards the Apollo charade.

But there were no electromagnetic snowflakes that curious evening of 07/20/1969. The blue-green photo receptors nestled in the retinae of Armstrong and Aldrin remained charged and never challenged to respond, never triggered that evening. Such a marvelous blue-green color never registered in the occipital cortices of Armstrong and Aldrin. They came back and told us they saw no stars. They came back and lied to us and told us that only the earth and the sun were observable from the surface of the moon. They also lied to us when they told us that for the most part, the earth and the sun were the only celestial objects they were able to see throughout their days' long rides to and fro across cislunar space. They lied in the sense that they never rode to and fro across cislunar space, for had they, they would have seen much more than the sun and the earth floating there for the majority of the ride.

Now we all know why. For the astronauts to admit to seeing stars, this would have been to admit to having been able to see the blue-green laser light streaming lunar ward from out of McDonald Observatory, and this, tantamount to admitting Apollo's fraudulence.

And from somewhere out El Paso way, we can hear Marty Robin's futile attempts to reach the astronauts. If laser light couldn't find them, maybe music would. Marty could not have been more wrong.

From El PASO, by Marty Robins,

"Out in the West Texas town of El Paso
I fell in love with a Mexican girl.
Night-time would find me in Rosa's cantina;
Music would play and Felina would whirl."……………………….
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Of course, Patrick can tell us the output power & wavelength of said laser (not holding my breath) seeing as how it is relevant to whether the astronauts were able to see it with the naked eye. I image the 10w green ranging laser at Haleakala all the time, but have never seen it with my own eyes, only through my camera (I wonder why?) Coherent light & how lasers work is also one of the things he is quite ignorant of...
 
You guys are funny. I am the only one, the only one, that reads the journals.

Of course, Patrick can tell us the output power & wavelength of said laser (not holding my breath) seeing as how it is relevant to whether the astronauts were able to see it with the naked eye. I image the 10w green ranging laser at Haleakala all the time, but have never seen it with my own eyes, only through my camera (I wonder why?) Coherent light & how lasers work is also one of the things he is quite ignorant of...

You guys are funny. I am the only one, the only one, that is posting in this thread regularly and reading the relevant journal articles. Not only reading them , but demonstrating my familiarity with them and their importance with respect to the issues being debated.

I just quoted by way of cutting and pasting the Alley SCIENCE article. Do you think I am making this up? Why don't you read the article for yourself. I spoon fed you with regard to where to find it.

I see nothing from your side Ravenwood in terms of academics, zero zero zero zero.

Surveyor imaged the blue-green laser in '68, and Armstrong's camera would have done the same in 1969. It didn't, because he wasn't on the moon. It wasn't because the McDonald Observatory scientists were mistaken in their thinking the astronauts should be able to see the laser.
 
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