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Well it would be jam proof for one thing. At least according to the Navy guys that ran the passive moon relay operation. Check this out, from the New York Times, April 1 1959, journalist John W. Finney, article title;

MOON RELAY PLANNED BY NAVY

JAMPROOF U.S.-HAWAII NET TO HAVE HIGH CAPACITY-ORBIT IS A LIMITATION

"From the military standpoint another important advantage is that the system would be virtually invulnerable to jamming. To jam the moon circuit, an enemy would have to have a jamming station within a few miles of the receiving or transmission stations or bounce signals of the same frequency off the moon. If the latter technique were used, the moon system could retaliate by changing frequencies every few seconds."

And here we thought they flew an unmanned craft all that way and spent so much of our parents' money to park just an LRRR up there. Looks like if you can transmit from the moon, then no one can jam you. Now THAT! is a military transmitter worth spending $130,000,000,000 for.

You've just totally failed to read the quoted article haven't you, or simply failed to understand? I've highlighted the important part that makes it clear that they are once again discussing the moon as a passive relay, exactly as they were the last time you brought this up. For that matter did you even read the title? Particularly the part where it says 'ORBIT IS A LIMITATION'. Rather sounds like the moon is useful but what would be even better would be a relay satellite that stayed over the area you wanted to use it in all the time, like this for example...

Syncom 3
 
Associated Press August 30 1958;

" U.S. REPORTED DEVELOPING DEVICE TO USE MOON TO MONITOR EARTH

Fulton Says Missile "Spy" Equipment Should Be In Operation Soon

THE HAGUE, The Netherlands, Aug. 29 (AP)-The United States was reported today to have developed electronic equipment capable of using the moon to monitor the face of the earth.

The report made by Representative James G. Fulton, Republican of Pennsylvania.

He hinted that the equipment could be used to detect instantaneously the launching of intercontinental ballistic missiles or nuclear explosions.

"This equipment is now being installed," he said. "It uses the moon as an artificial satellite. It is startling. It is a great breakthrough."

Mr. Fulton talked to newsmen after referring publicly to the moon system at a session here of the International Astronautical Federation….

The representative said today that the system worked on a principle of ion emission. Ions are electrified atoms. He implied that the detection worked by spotting ionization created by such forces as rocket launchings or explosions.

"It sees things back on earth," he said. "It involves bouncing waves off the moon. It is not radar. You would be surprised how good it is. We can tell things going on behind the Iron Curtain."

"This breakthrough makes an operating satellite out of the real moon, even before any probes are sent around the moon or landings made there," he said….

Mr. Fulton said that the system should be operating soon, but he added he was barred from giving any details as to whether there would have to be installations on opposite sides of the earth to cover the times when the moon was not visible in the United States."

Well thanks much for that Representative James Fulton. Guess that just about sums it up with the exception of the part about making the thing work all that much better by putting the actual equipment up there on the lunar surface. Well, it's only 1958 here. In 11 short years we had that nailed down big big big time.


Astonishing, you again take an article about a totally passive system and pretend it has some connection to Apollo, while conveniently skipping over the development of spy satellites that rendered the entire idea obsolete by the mid 60's.
 
Sieg heil!

Von BRAUN IS NO BIG DUMMY AND NOBODY'S FOOL TO (JACK)BOOT. AND AT THE SAME TIME, WELL BOYS AND GIRLS, NEITHER ARE WE!!!!

NEW YORK TIMES, August 1, 1964;

" THE MILITARY IN SPACE

Wider Use of Satellites Is Believed Inevitable Despite Present Policies

By HANSON W. BALDWIN

Dr von Braun declares that "our national security demands that we ensure that no hostile force will be permitted to use space as an unchallenged avenue of aggression against us."

"Any statement to the effect that space is unimportant to the military is ridiculous, " he says. "NOBODY IN HIS RIGHT MIND CAN SAY THAT THAT SPACE IS UNIMPORTANT TO THE MILITARY."

Capitals above are of course mine.


Thanks for that Werner. For just a minute there we had all thought you were doing the space thing to work its entertainment angle, you know, your Disney connection. Glad you got me squared away.


Sieg Heil by the way, not to mention all that other NAZI ROT, YOU CREEP!
 
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....NEITHER ARE WE!!!!

I will repeat a previous post...I DARE you to name one poster here who agrees with you.

..and I'll continue to repeat that each and every time I see you say that.


So you might as well stop now...unless you don't mind being made a fool of every time you post.
 
If it is broken, best to fix it,

ESPECIALLY IF IT IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE US BALLISTIC MISSILE EARLY WARNING SYSTEM, ICBM LAUNCH DETECTION APPARATUS.

IT'S ALL BECOMING EVER SO EVER SO EVER SO CLEAR. THE BALLISTIC MISSILE WARNING SYSTEM WHICH EMPLOYED THE MOON AS A PASSIVE REFLECTOR WAS NOT RELIABLE. ENTER STAGE RIGHT, APOLLO HIMSELF TO RIDE TO THE MOON AND FIX THE PROBLEM WITH LUNAR BASED EQUIPMENT.

United Press International February 5, 1962;

" MOON FOUND TO CAUSE FALSE MISSILE ALARMS

WASHINGTON, Feb. 5 (UPI)-Reflections from the moon and other difficulties caused the United States missile-spotting radar in Greenland to turn in numerous false warnings over a period of five months.

This was disclosed today in a defense Department report to the White House. It said the majority of false reports that plagued the installation at first "were eliminated by February, 1961." The system became operational in September, 1960.

One of the false warnings gave three business men twenty anxious minutes during a visit to the Air Defense Command at Colorado Springs, Colo. They were under the impression that a massive missile attack on the United States might be under way.

The Air Force said that on Nov. 22, 1960, this erroneous report was found to have been triggered by electronic bounce backs from the moon. Defense officials did not disclose what had caused the other false warnings."

Well boys and girls, I guess it is safe to assume the other false warnings were caused by more of the same.

So the Ballistic Missile Warning System which employed passive moon bounce backs(and/or other sophisticated missile launch detection techniques), was not as dependable as hoped. How did Kennedy light a fire under the US Congress to fix this problem and do "other interesting things" up there on the moon and in outer space generally? APOLLO my friends APOLLO.

It is probably the case that the Lick Observatory scientists, guys like Joe Wampler, were intentionally mislead when they were told to keep their mouths shut about the location of Tranquility Base. They were told that the Ruskies would want to know where Tranquility Base was because it might help them to measure transoceanic distances with greater than heretofore accuracy. This of course was true, but was not the main reason for the "secrecy". This way, the scientists would know to keep their mouths shut, but not even having the FACTS, they weren't able to spill the REAL space beans. A lot more was going on with MILITARY APOLLO than parking LRRR's and measuring the distance across the Atlantic, Arctic/North-Atlantic, Pacific Oceans.

Those guys, the Lick Scientists scientists, betcha' they'd be ticked off if they knew they were gamed like that. Wampler, he's a cool guy, straight shooter, pure scientist type, not a bomb maker type at all, bet he would not have liked it a bit. Bet as a matter of fact, Wampler would not have done it, set the telescope up for those clowns if he knew they were using Apollo as a military program cover. He was Lick's telescope expert. Dang this is wild! Isn't it!
 
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Von BRAUN IS NO BIG DUMMY AND NOBODY'S FOOL TO (JACK)BOOT. AND AT THE SAME TIME, WELL BOYS AND GIRLS, NEITHER ARE WE!!!!

NEW YORK TIMES, August 1, 1964;

" THE MILITARY IN SPACE

Wider Use of Satellites Is Believed Inevitable Despite Present Policies

By HANSON W. BALDWIN
Yay, more caps and a Godwin to boot.

Dr von Braun declares that "our national security demands that we ensure that no hostile force will be permitted to use space as an unchallenged avenue of aggression against us."
Why would he not?

"Any statement to the effect that space is unimportant to the military is ridiculous, " he says. "NOBODY IN HIS RIGHT MIND CAN SAY THAT THAT SPACE IS UNIMPORTANT TO THE MILITARY."

Capitals above are of course mine.

Yup.
A. we know how you mistakenly think caps add to your argument, and
B. we know your arguments hold no water.


Thanks for that Werner. For just a minute there we had all thought you were doing the space thing to work its entertainment angle, you know, your Disney connection. Glad you got me squared away.


Sieg Heil by the way, not to mention all that other NAZI ROT, YOU CREEP!
Whoa! A second Godwin! Is their any amount of fail in which you will not invest?

When is it you will start to wheel out the anti-semitism?
 
Von BRAUN IS NO BIG DUMMY AND NOBODY'S FOOL TO (JACK)BOOT. AND AT THE SAME TIME, WELL BOYS AND GIRLS, NEITHER ARE WE!!!!

NEW YORK TIMES, August 1, 1964;

" THE MILITARY IN SPACE

Wider Use of Satellites Is Believed Inevitable Despite Present Policies

By HANSON W. BALDWIN

Dr von Braun declares that "our national security demands that we ensure that no hostile force will be permitted to use space as an unchallenged avenue of aggression against us."

"Any statement to the effect that space is unimportant to the military is ridiculous, " he says. "NOBODY IN HIS RIGHT MIND CAN SAY THAT THAT SPACE IS UNIMPORTANT TO THE MILITARY."

Capitals above are of course mine.


Thanks for that Werner. For just a minute there we had all thought you were doing the space thing to work its entertainment angle, you know, your Disney connection. Glad you got me squared away.


Sieg Heil by the way, not to mention all that other NAZI ROT, YOU CREEP!

Leaving aside the characterization of Von Braun Highgain, sorry, Patrick, what does any of that have to do with Apollo being hoaxed? Again we know, and Von Braun knew, of USAF plans for Blue Gemini and MOL, none of which happened owing to technical developments that made them obsolete and the budgetary pressures caused by Apollo.
 
Money Grubbing By The Fuzzy Buzzy Wuzzy One Proves He Ain't No Astronaut

THIS PROVES IT RIGHT HERE, NO WAY THE FUZZY BUZZY WUZZY ONE IS AN AUTHENTIC ASTRONAUT. AUTHENTIC ASTRONAUTS DON'T MONEY GRUB. CHECK THIS OUT.

From the WASHINGTON POST, Tuesday, December 28, 2010;

Buzz Aldrin Sues Trading Card Company Over Moonwalk Photograph

By Stuart Pfeifer


"Buzz Aldrin was the second person to set foot on the moon. Now he's the first to sue Topps Inc. for putting a photograph of the historic moment on its "American Heroes" series of trading cards.

The 80-year-old retired astronaut sued Topps on Monday in federal court in Los Angeles, contending that the trading card company had unjustly profited from his historic achievement by including a photograph of the Apollo 11 mission in a series of trading cards….

Aldrin's lawyers warned Topps that they had helped him obtain more than $760,000 in legal settlements from companies that have used his likeness without his permission on books, software packaging and trading cards.

Topps's attorney, Michael Kahn, said the company had a First Amendment right "to include a factual description of the historic events in which Dr. Aldrin participated."
"Topps included Dr. Aldrin within the 'American Heroes' edition because it believes he is an American hero and is thus proud to be able to share such information with its audience," Kahn said in an April 15 letter to the law firm representing Aldrin.

Aldrin's attorneys were unable to negotiate a licensing fee with Topps, prompting the retired astronaut to take the matter to court. The lawsuit seeks unspecified monetary damages and a court order prohibiting Topps from marketing the trading cards."


The Ph.D Zombie is a total Dufus. No way this guy is a real astronaut. A real astronaut would have just chilled over the baseball card thing.

Put him in the super G force accelerator and crank the thing up to 20 Gs. Squeeze the clown's bladder 'til he wets his Astronaut Approved, Lunar Landing Simulation Certified Depends. That'll teach 'em.

NO WAY THIS GUY IS A MOONWALKING ASTRONAUT. NO WAY!


WE PAID $130,000,000,000 FOR THAT DUMB FAKE RUMP PHOTO OF ALDRIN. IT AIN'T EVEN HIS PROPERTY, THAT STUPID FRAUDULENT PICTURE. IT BELONGS TO THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS. THE UNMITIGATED NERVE OF THE GLASSY EYED ZOMBIE!
 
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No way this guy is a real astronaut. a real astronaut would have just chilled over the baseball card thing.

Among your other "jobs" are you now claiming to be an astronaut?...because only another astronaut would be credible making such a claim.

You, on the other hand, are simply not credible, therefore your opinion is irrelevant.


Still waiting for you to name one poster who agrees with you.
 
No Limit To The Unmitigated Nuttiness

NEW YORK TIMES, March 23, 1958;

NEW ROLE FOR THE ARTIC

A Discussion of Region's Military Value In Age of Missile and Atom Submarine

By HANSON W. BALDWIN


"…………………Some generals who should know better are also talking about bases on the moon to mount attacks against the Soviet Union."


Not that they built bases, but these bozos would do anything were they able to get away with it.
 
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This One Confirms Just About Everything

LOST BIRD PROVES APOLLO INAUTHENTICITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






From Journalist Harold M. Schmeck, Special to the New York Times(July 21, 1969)

"THE LANDING SITE IS NOT PINPOINTED

NASA EXPERTS ARE UNABLE TO FIX SPOT ON THE MOON

HOUSTON, July 21-The two Apollo 11 astronauts took off from the moon today still uncertain of exactly where they had been…..

But, for the more than 20 hours between landing and the lift-off, all of the computers and all of the experts of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration were unable to give the men at Tranquility Base their exact location.

At a press conference held before the landing, Colonel Collins had predicted that he would be one of the few people who would miss the historic sight of the LM resting on the surface….

SEVERAL ALARM SIGNALS

The astronauts who made the lunar landing were unable to fix their own position. They had many distractions during their descent to the lunar surface. These hampered the two men in their search for landmarks near their landing site.

"We were a little busy worrying about program alarms and things like that," said one of the astronauts shortly after touchdown.

There were several alarm signals during their last 50,000 feet of descent. Evidently none of them signified any real trouble, but they kept the astronauts busy with their eyes inboard most of the time.

But once on the surface, Mr. Armstrong and Colonel Aldrin were unable to identify any scene on any of the 92(detailed maps that they carried) as the moonscape around their temporary home.

Indeed, the laser ranging experiment has failed, so far, partly because the men on earth who aimed their laser beam at the reflector the astronauts set out lacked a good enough aiming point. The laser experiment, if it had succeeded could probably have pinpointed the position of the LM within feet.

"Houston, the guys who said we wouldn't be able to tell precisely where we are are the winners today," said one of the lunar astronauts shortly after the landing yesterday.

"Roger Tranquility. No sweat. We'll figure it out," said the capsule communicator in Houston. His optimism was premature. "









We may rightfully conclude from this incredible heap of ludicrous nonsense that;

1) The program alarm fiasco was a ploy to give the astronauts an excuse for not paying attention to where they were going, and landing.

2) Even with 92 detailed maps of the simulated pretend landing site, the astronauts themselves had no clue where they were. How are we to expect that the geologists back on earth could figure it out? Not that they were in on the scam. The point is, the whole thing is a ruse. It is simply not credible. The geologists and everybody else are working with data/descriptions/telemetry that amounts to nothing more than landing site bull feathers.

3) The Lick Observatory scientists were targeting the LRRR while the astronauts were in their simulated lunar outpost as the article indicates that were the scientists successful, they could have pinpointed the Eagle's unknown position to within feet. Note this article was written 07/21/1969, the very day of the Eagle's simulated launch. The Lick scientists were looking and looking hard obviously the whole time. Remember, Joseph Wampler, the Lick Observatory telescope specialist knows at this time, on this day, at the very moment that this journalist typed the lines above, that Tranquility Base's coordinates were 00 41' 15" north and 23 26' 00" east. Can you believe this nonsense? I think we need to shut NASA down and start from scratch, wadda' ya' say friends?

4) In addition to being a complete NITWIT, Michael Collins is also clairvoyant. He knew he wouldn't find the Eagle with his sextant even before they "left the Earth".

5) APOLLO IS AS PHONY PHONY PHONY AS THE LUNAR DAY IS LONG LONG LONG.
 
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LOST BIRD PROVES APOLLO INAUTHENTICITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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We may rightfully conclude from this incredible heap of ludicrous nonsense that;

1) The program alarm fiasco was a ploy to give the astronauts an excuse for not paying attention to where they were going.

2) Even with detailed maps of the simulated pretend landing site, the astronauts themselves had no clue where they were. How are we to expect the geologists could figure it out. Not that they were in on the scam. The point is the whole thing is a ruse.

3) The Lick Observatory scientists were targeting the LRRR while the astronauts were in their simulated lunar outpost as the article indicates were the scientists successful they could have pinpointed the Eagle's unknown position to within feet. Note this article was written 07/21/1969, the very day of the Eagle's simulated launch. The Lick scientists were looking and looking hard obviously the whole time. Remember, Joseph Wampler, the Lick Observatory telescope specialist knows at this time, on this day, at the very moment that this journalist typed the lines above that Tranquility Base's coordinates were 00 41' 15" north and 23 26' 00" east. Can you believe this nonsense? I think we need to shut NASA down and start from scratch, wadda' ya' say friends?

4) In addition to being a complete NITWIT, Michael Collins is also clairvoyant. He knew he wouldn't find the Eagle with his sextant even before they left the Earth.

5) APOLLO IS AS PHONY PHONY PHONY AS THE LUNAR DAY IS LONG LONG LONG.

Wrong.

Doing the equivalent of yelling won't make it so. I'm very sorry that your low opinion of the United States' space program is not vindicated, but we did go to the Moon - the evidence is overwhelming. I don't know why you hate the idea so much - I have some opinions, but, unlike you, I won't play diagnostician, either for real or sarcastically.

Think about this: I've looked over some of the conspiracy threads on JREF. In my very limited reading here, I've noticed that people here can post some really outlandish stuff and they will usually find at least one person that agrees with them. You haven't convinced anyone regarding Apollo, as far as I can tell.

One more thing: I don't really care if you believe we went or not; my participation here is for my own amusement and education. This is just advice that I give my employees and new flight instructor candidates that I train - yelling, sarcasm, nastiness, and overall verbal incontinence get you nowhere. It speaks ill of you and does nothing to further your point of view. Hopefully, when you mature, you'll learn this for yourself.
 
THE MOON WAS USED PASSIVELY AS EARLY AS 1960 AS PART OF OUR EARLY WARNING SYSTEM TO DETECT A SOVIET BALLISTIC MISSILE/ICBM ATTACK.

SO IF OF USE PASSIVELY, IMAGINE!!!!! ALL THE THINGS WE COULD DO WERE THE COLD DARK ROCK INSTRUMENTED. AND HERE WE THOUGHT JOHN KENNEDY GAVE THAT SPEECH TO GET US FIRED UP TO SEND THREE BLIND MICE IN A TIN CAN UP THERE TO PLANT A FLAG.

SILY SILLY SILLY SILLY US.
I'm sure you've been asked this before and ignored it and I'm sure you'll ignore it again:
If you were designing an anti-missile system, would you design one that could be entirely circumvented by the Russians by merely waiting until the moon sets?
 
There you go again - it's like adding two plus two and getting the answer "purple":

ESPECIALLY IF IT IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE US BALLISTIC MISSILE EARLY WARNING SYSTEM, ICBM LAUNCH DETECTION APPARATUS.

IT'S ALL BECOMING EVER SO EVER SO EVER SO CLEAR. THE BALLISTIC MISSILE WARNING SYSTEM WHICH EMPLOYED THE MOON AS A PASSIVE REFLECTOR WAS NOT RELIABLE. ENTER STAGE RIGHT, APOLLO HIMSELF TO RIDE TO THE MOON AND FIX THE PROBLEM WITH LUNAR BASED EQUIPMENT.

United Press International February 5, 1962;

" MOON FOUND TO CAUSE FALSE MISSILE ALARMS

WASHINGTON, Feb. 5 (UPI)-Reflections from the moon and other difficulties caused the United States missile-spotting radar in Greenland to turn in numerous false warnings over a period of five months.

<snip>

The Air Force said that on Nov. 22, 1960, this erroneous report was found to have been triggered by electronic bounce backs from the moon. Defense officials did not disclose what had caused the other false warnings."

Well boys and girls, I guess it is safe to assume the other false warnings were caused by more of the same.
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BMEWS and the DEW line used radar to detect the threat of Soviet ICBM's coming over the North Polar region in effort to keep our retaliatory threat credible; with enough warning, we would be able to launch the SAC alert force, to get at least some of it in the air prior to the bases being hit. Similarly, the hope was to get the Atlas and Titan force at least cocked so the remaining missiles could be launched. There was thought given to Civil Defense, but, with the short warning time available, that was a thin hope at best. The real reason for the system was to convince the Soviet government that they couldn't avoid retaliation by launching a sudden attack, thus making said attack moot.

The radars used as part of the system were line-of-sight. I don't recall what bandwidth they used (millimetric?), but they were powerful. Being line-of-sight, and being one that was not reflected by the ionosphere, the signal would bounce back from things in space - that being where an incoming attack would be, of course. Sometimes a fairly large target would occasionally reflect the signal - that being the Moon. It must have been quite a challenge for the contractors' (GE?) signal engineers to suppress it.

What was critical for the system's success was that it was widely publicized. We wanted the Soviets to know it was there and why it was there. That's why I seem to recall GE as the contractor - there were TV commercials touting the manufacturer's participation in the project. To paraphrase my quote from Dr. Strangelove: deterrence is producing in the mind of the enemy the fear to attack.
 
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CAME ACROSS SOMETHING THIS EVENING THAT IS NO LESS THAN A SENSATIONAL FIND REGARDING THE APOLLO PROGRAM'S MAIN PHYSICIAN CHARLES BERRY. HE HAS TO BE IN ON THE FRAUD. I HAVE CONFIRMED IT, JUST THIS EVENING. SEE BELOW FOR DETAILS.

I study all of my Apollo interests pretty much together SUSpilot. At times I focus on landing site issues, or the sanitation issue, or simple personal credibility issues, but for the most part, I work in all areas. Covering several subjects in a session of investigative reading helps to keep me interested, keeps me from getting bored, and leads me to new things, sometimes, great things.

Here's a great example of the payoff one may realize, looking about, checking into this and that.

This evening, I was flipping through a text book my wife mailed to me, AEROSPACE MEDICINE, Edited by Hugh W. Randel, B.S., M.P.H., M.D., second edition, published by Williams and Wilkins Company 1971. The editor of this volume was at the time of its writing the Deputy Director, Space Medicine NASA Headquarters, Washington D.C..

The entirety of Chapter 32 is written by none other than Charles A. Berry himself, NASA's Director of Medical Research and Operations and the astronauts primary clinician, evaluating and treating physician.

I will have a great deal to say about this, but the find is so significant, I want to put the basics out there right away with regard to my discovery. On page 716 where Berry specifically is covering the Apollo 8 Frank Borman illness issue he writes;

"Prior to the Apollo 8 mission, a large number of cases of acute viral gastroenteritis lasting for 24 hr occurred in the Cape Kennedy area. Eighteen hours after the launch, the commander of this mission complained of nausea which terminated in vomiting on two occasions. This illness was short-lived and required no treatment but did cause concern about its possible spread to the other crewman."

Yes it certainly would would have caused a great deal of concern Charles to a genuine physician, especially when he or she learned the infection had lead to significant diarrhea with the commander's infected fecal material wafting through the zero-g cabin contaminating everything which it encountered, including the lungs and gi tracts of astronauts Lovell and Anders.

Funny how Berry left out the part about the diarrhea, especially seeing as most physicians would have viewed this as the most significant medical event in the history of Apollo with regard to its ramifications, were any of it real. I know Anders said he couldn't stand the smell, but that is usually not something considered important enough to keep a quack like Berry from writing it in the definitive Aerospace text of the time.

Remember as well, that when Borman wrote his own first person account about his Apollo 8 experience, the Life Magazine account I referenced and quoted in earlier posts, Borman conveniently left the part out about having diarrhea out as well. Guess Charles told him to do that. What do you guys think?

I mean really Charles, are you so immature that you cannot talk about this? Or rather, is it the case that it was a dumb story told to embellish the phony Apollo 8 trip, add some much needed "realism", and in retrospect, you realized another doc might call you on your stuff 42 years later, your lying your rump off stuff, so best to leave the most incriminating and bogus part of the whole scammy story about the Borman illness out of your worthless aerospace medicine publications? Is that right you lousy QUACK!?

After all, since the thing is phony, its not like you really need to discuss it. Never happened so its not a meaningful threat to astronauts. It's all only a big act anyway. Right Chuck, you big fat QUACK?!

When its time for real space missions, Space Station/Shuttle, they build a real bathroom, a bathroom that maintains cabin sanitation to some acknowledged, accepted MEANINGFUL STANDARD. Pretty obvious now ain't it?

All of Apollo is proven bogus right there, right with that one insanely incriminating omission from Berry's chapter in that text. NO DIARRHEA HUH CHUCK, YOU DUMB PHONY SCHMUCK!?! Well ain't that ever so ever so ever so interesting!

Charles Berry was in on the fraud. At least on some level. No question my friends.

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Summarry: Charles Berry doesn't share Patrick's irrational poop phobia, so he's a fraud.
 
"Loose stool", is in the Apollo 8 mission report itself with reference to Borman's condition/illness.

Borman wrote about the diarrhea himself. That section of his book was quoted/referenced in an earlier post of mine.

Andrew Chaikin, A MAN ON THE MOON, page 97, "What a mess- Lovell and Anders had to help chase down stray bits of vomit AND FECES with paper towels."

You can find this Apollo 8 Borman diarrhea in cislunar space stuff, pretty much EVERYWHERE. Read around dude! Have FUN!

Caps mine in the Chaikin book quote above.

Patrick, don't ever have kids. Now, I realize this advice is probably unnecessary, because the chances that you will ever get laid are slim and none, but, see, babies don't have any bowel control. They poop in their diapers, and their parents have to change those diapers and clean up the baby, causing massive exposure deadly poop. With your bizarre phobia, you would never be able to handle it.
 
I've read this whole thread, and since the subject it back, again, to poop, I'll relate an embarrassing story from when my youngest daughter was still a baby. She's 25 now.

For supper one evening, we had fried chicken, the type with a batter(?) type crust on the skin. After we started eating, my daughter figured it was time to have a BM. So, I wiped my hands on a napkin, changed her diaper, disposed of the diaper in the trash. Very normal. On the way back from the trash, I noticed what I thought was a speck of the chicken batter on my finger, so, I licked it off. It wasn't chicken batter, it was..........well, I think everyone knows what it was.

The point is........I DID NOT get sick with.......well, anything. You really can eat **** and not have dire consequences happen.

Phil
 
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