Richard Gage Blueprint for Truth Rebuttals on YouTube by Chris Mohr

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Except when they say something you don't want to hear.

Dave

It would be possible to add a totally unique radioactive marker to the sample of dust that would be split 4 ways or so wouldn't it ? One for a public notary, one for NIST, one for a public Lab where Jones and co and poossibly some OCT scientists could sit in,all signing off at every step of the test process ?
 
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What a perfect cover for "accidentally" adding some nanothermite at the same time.

Dave

Not at all, the dust will obviously have to globally match the dust they have already described in their paper. The radioactive marker guarantees that everybody is testing the same original dust sample. Together we can work out a fairly foolproof system Dave. Cooperation works best to get to the Truth.
 
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From the mouth of babes. What about asking NIST to perform one of the tests on a sample of Jones's dust ? We know that they are extremely knowledgeable about nanothermite and have been for years. They already have a relationship with Chris. How did we not think of this before ? What do you think Chris ?

Fella - you people don't matter.

NIST has better things to do. They're not a 'research 9/11' organization you know, waiting with baited breath for the next retarded truther idea.
 
Just freaking look at it. Do they look like some sagging, yawning, creaking building announcing its demise?

Ah....

I apologize. I didn't realize you were there, inside the buildings, or just outside them. I had not occured to me that you may have been one of the engineers under the employment of the FDNY or PA, and knew the conditions of the building in real time.

What floor were you on? Were you scared, or was it a case of tunnel vision?
Either way, thank you for your selfless actions on that day. You are a true hero.
 
Not at all, the dust will obviously have to globally match the dust they have already described in their paper.

So let's see what the options are. Either NIST finds the same contents as the Harrit et al paper, in which case you claim that your case is proven and the dust contains nanothermite (even though Harrit et al's results more or less prove that it doesn't contain nanothermite), or NIST doesn't find any nanothermite, in which case you claim that NIST falsified their results because the samples don't match. And if you were just intelligent enough and well enough educated to understand Harrit et al's results (which is not intended particularly as an insult; after all, Harrit himself doesn't understand his results), then none of this would be necessary anyway, because Harrit's results demonstrate that the samples don't contain nanothermite.

And this, basically, is the problem. You've been shown a picture of a fish, and you've claimed that it's a cat. When someone tells you "But look, it's got scales and fins," you say, "Yes, it's got scales and fins, so that proves it's a cat." When we point out that cats don't have scales and fins, you say, "Well, let's send it to NIST and see if they think it's got scales and fins, so we can clear up the question of whether it's a cat."

In fact, talking to most truthers is a bit like that.

Dave
 
Not at all, the dust will obviously have to globally match the dust they have already described in their paper. The radioactive marker guarantees that everybody is testing the same original dust sample. Together we can work out a fairly foolproof system Dave. Cooperation works best to get to the Truth.

and twoofers will then say the marker is proof of nukes at ground zero........or inserted to cover up the proof.........or that it turned the nanothermnight to paint:D
 
So let's see what the options are. Either NIST finds the same contents as the Harrit et al paper, in which case you claim that your case is proven and the dust contains nanothermite (even though Harrit et al's results more or less prove that it doesn't contain nanothermite), or NIST doesn't find any nanothermite, in which case you claim that NIST falsified their results because the samples don't match. And if you were just intelligent enough and well enough educated to understand Harrit et al's results (which is not intended particularly as an insult; after all, Harrit himself doesn't understand his results), then none of this would be necessary anyway, because Harrit's results demonstrate that the samples don't contain nanothermite.

And this, basically, is the problem. You've been shown a picture of a fish, and you've claimed that it's a cat. When someone tells you "But look, it's got scales and fins," you say, "Yes, it's got scales and fins, so that proves it's a cat." When we point out that cats don't have scales and fins, you say, "Well, let's send it to NIST and see if they think it's got scales and fins, so we can clear up the question of whether it's a cat."

In fact, talking to most truthers is a bit like that.

Dave

If NIST's results match those of the other labs simultaneously performing the tests and having the results of each step signed off on by an OCT scientist and a Truth scientist and all of that matches the detailed video record showing that there is no nanothermite present (the video should be transmitted live) then I will believe NIST. I will have some serious questions for Jones and Co . Either way we are all streets ahead of where we are now.

If NIST's results are entirely different then that will be another story.
 
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If NIST's results match those of the other labs simultaneously performing the tests and having the results of each step signed off on by an OCT scientist and a Truth scientist and all of that matches the detailed video record showing that there is no nanothermite present (the video should be transmitted live) then I will believe NISt. I will have some serious questions for Jones and Co as well. Either way we are all streets ahead of where we are now.

If NIST's results are entirely different then that will be another story.
Why would NIST (or any independent lab) want to go through all this? There is no national outcry to have this done. Most people think "truthers" are nuts.

Wouldn't it be better to have Jones and crew volunteer to have it done to prove they're not nuts?
 
Why would NIST (or any independent lab) want to go through all this? There is no national outcry to have this done. Most people think "truthers" are nuts.

Wouldn't it be better to have Jones and crew volunteer to have it done to prove they're not nuts?

All NIST have to do is perform the test and present the results. No more than that.
 
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Why would NIST (or any independent lab) want to go through all this? There is no national outcry to have this done. Most people think "truthers" are nuts.

Wouldn't it be better to have Jones and crew volunteer to have it done to prove they're not nuts?

Under the rough set up I outlined here Jones and Co will have a very hard time refusing to release the dust for testing.
 
If NIST's results match those of the other labs simultaneously performing the tests and having the results of each step signed off on by an OCT scientist and a Truth scientist and all of that matches the detailed video record showing that there is no nanothermite present (the video should be transmitted live) then I will believe NIST. I will have some serious questions for Jones and Co .

Given that Jones and co's results already show that the samples didn't contain nanothermite, you should already be asking those questions.

You see, this is the bit truthers can't seem to get into their heads: Harrit and Jones didn't find any nanothermite. They just took what they did find and said it was nanothermite. So there's no point asking anyone else to repeat their experiments; we don't dispute any of their experimental results. What we are trying to point out is that something that contains less than 5% total iron and aluminium combined, looks like primer paint, and produces nearly twice the energy output of thermite, is not thermite.

On the other hand, I suppose there's some comedy value in the idea of broadcasting a live video of NIST carrying out materials analysis. It would certainly be a contender for least exciting video footage of all time.

Dave
 
Under the rough set up I outlined here Jones and Co will have a very hard time refusing to release the dust for testing.
Jones has already claimed to have sent a sample for independent testing (in 2007 IIRC). The trouble is, he never released the findings (if he even had it done). Funny you guys "forgot" about his claim.
 
Given that Jones and co's results already show that the samples didn't contain nanothermite, you should already be asking those questions.

You see, this is the bit truthers can't seem to get into their heads: Harrit and Jones didn't find any nanothermite. They just took what they did find and said it was nanothermite. So there's no point asking anyone else to repeat their experiments; we don't dispute any of their experimental results. What we are trying to point out is that something that contains less than 5% total iron and aluminium combined, looks like primer paint, and produces nearly twice the energy output of thermite, is not thermite.

On the other hand, I suppose there's some comedy value in the idea of broadcasting a live video of NIST carrying out materials analysis. It would certainly be a contender for least exciting video footage of all time.

Dave

Officially NIST only have to be asked to perform certain tests on a sample of dust. Could be any dust. End of story No video crew needed. Just the results.

The tests will establish who is telling the Truth. You should be delighted Dave.
 
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