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So, what is the purpose of this easily disproved conspiracy then?

If I had to speculate, I would say that it makes Patrick "feel" important...it's a question of wanting attention, and it doesn't matter to Patrick that it is negative attention.

Is it too much to ask you to stop insulting the people who were involved with the Apollo program?

Yes...it really is too much to ask. Patrick thinks if he calls the most famous person on the planet a liar, it somehow makes him relevant.

Unfortunately for him, it only demonstrates his ignorance and arrogance.
 
This has NOTHING TO DO WITH PICTURES! Who cares about photos!!!!!! That is a dumb diversion.

Could you be any more transparent?


Of course you want to "ignore" the thousands of images taken during 6 manned landings....they are evidence you have no answer for.

Instead of reacting as a rational person would, and debate the reality of those images, you want them to go away.

We are not going to make your "job" here any easier, so stop your "dumb diversion" nonsense.

At least we know why you are afraid of addressing the images...because you are an intellectual coward.
 
I'm going to probably regret this - what 1969 era military equipment could they have landed on the moon that would have any practical use?

Sensors? - satellites and spy aircraft do a better job for less

Missiles? - land or ship based systems are faster to react and to deliver payloads, plus those systems are a whole lot cheaper to maintain

Comms relay? - Again that whole satellites are just so much cheaper and easier to maintain thing

Much as we like to think of the military being the land of the $700 toilet seat and damn the expense if it can't serve a useful purpose we ain't touching it unless some polititician has lots of pull and needs a pork-belly project in his riding.

Sorry, "Patrick", for not getting back to you, but unlike you I have an actual job. In fact, I have an actual life. Anyhow, Border Reiver's post really says it all about your nonsense.

Regarding your obsessive posting from sites saying that you can see stars from the Moon: sure you could - there's no backscattere from an atmosphere. Of course, they don't talk about dark adaptation, which is what you'd need to do. BTW, Arthur C. Clarke was even aware of that in the 1950's, in his novel, Earthlight.

Would you like to know something about dark adaptation in the real world? If I'm in an aircraft on a dark, moonless night, I can see stars, if the following conditions are met:

I am not over a cityscape.
The panel lights are dimmed almost to the point of not being on at all.
I haven't turned on a flashlight lately.

IIRC, the Moon, the Sun, and the Earth are a lot brighter than a cityscape.

Here's a quote you may like from the Apollo Flight Journal (for those of you that don't need convincing or have read this befo, scroll to the bottom for the punch line):

http://history.nasa.gov/ap11fj/11day4-loi1.htm

071:52:15 Collins: Houston. Apollo 11. The Earthshine coming through the window is so bright you can read a book by it.
071:52:24 McCandless: Oh, very good.

[Long comm break.]
PAO: That was Mike Collins reporting.
[MP3 audio file. 3,833 kB.]
071:56:00 Armstrong: And, Houston, I'd suggest that along the ecliptic line we can see corona light out to two lunar diameters from this location. The bright light only extends out about an eighth to a quarter of the lunar radius.
071:56:35 McCandless: Roger. Understand that you can see the corona approximately 200 solar diameters out along the ecliptic, and the bright light extends out approximately one-eighth to one-quarter lunar radius. Over.

071:56:52 Armstrong: That's two lunar - two lunar diameters along the ecliptic in the bright part, right; a quarter to an eighth of a lunar radius out, and that's perpendicular to the ecliptic line on the South Pole.

071:57:07 McCandless: Roger.

[Comm break.]
PAO: That last transmission was from Neil Armstrong.
071:59:20 Armstrong: Houston, it's been a real change for us. Now we're able to see stars again and recognize constellations for the first time on the trip. It's - the sky is full of stars. Just like the night side of Earth. But all the way here, we've only been able to see stars occasionally and perhaps through the monocular, but not recognize any star patterns.

071:59:52 McCandless: I guess it's turned into night up there really, hasn't it?

071:59:58 Armstrong: Really has.

Interestingly, there's a link to this site in this question to Dear Astonomer - here's the link. Note who asked the question:

http://www.dearastronomer.com/2011/06/03/visibility-of-stars-from-the-moon/
 
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Interestingly, there's a link to this site in this question to Dear Astonomer - here's the link. Note who asked the question:

http://www.dearastronomer.com/2011/06/03/visibility-of-stars-from-the-moon/

So it's not just here that he doesn't read the replies than.

Sure, there’s no atmosphere and the sky is black, but you still have some sunlight being reflected by the surface. If you read the Apollo 11 transcripts from day 4, around 71 hours, 59 seconds on approach to the moon, Apollo 11 enters the lunar shadow and Armstrong reports being able to see many stars, again this is in space, and not on the lunar surface, but it stresses the concept that if there’s sunlight present, our eyes won’t be able to see stars.

Or perhaps he just doesn't understand them.

Patrick, you really are very entertaining. Not worth taking seriously obviously, but entertaining.
 

Doesn't look like Ed had any trouble seeing stars.

Yes he did. Or rather, he had to take special pains to see them. I asked him about that. He had to go into the shadow of the lunar module and let his eyes adapt to the darkness. Then and only then he could see stars.

As I said, you're trying to paint the issue with a coarse, black-and-white brush just so you can manufacture some sort of discrepancy.

CAN'T THEY FIND SOME DOCTOR TO TEACH THESE GUYS HOW TO LIE HALFWAY DECENTLY?

Sorry, not many people seem to have as much experience lying as you do.
 
Cislunar Sanitation and Proof of Charles Berry's Involvement in the Apollo Fraud

Interesting. When you lose one debate, you run (sorry, about that everyone) back to an old one.

Why are so desperate to prove your case? Simple question, really. I'm not gonna stop asking.


CAME ACROSS SOMETHING THIS EVENING THAT IS NO LESS THAN A SENSATIONAL FIND REGARDING THE APOLLO PROGRAM'S MAIN PHYSICIAN CHARLES BERRY. HE HAS TO BE IN ON THE FRAUD. I HAVE CONFIRMED IT, JUST THIS EVENING. SEE BELOW FOR DETAILS.

I study all of my Apollo interests pretty much together SUSpilot. At times I focus on landing site issues, or the sanitation issue, or simple personal credibility issues, but for the most part, I work in all areas. Covering several subjects in a session of investigative reading helps to keep me interested, keeps me from getting bored, and leads me to new things, sometimes, great things.

Here's a great example of the payoff one may realize, looking about, checking into this and that.

This evening, I was flipping through a text book my wife mailed to me, AEROSPACE MEDICINE, Edited by Hugh W. Randel, B.S., M.P.H., M.D., second edition, published by Williams and Wilkins Company 1971. The editor of this volume was at the time of its writing the Deputy Director, Space Medicine NASA Headquarters, Washington D.C..

The entirety of Chapter 32 is written by none other than Charles A. Berry himself, NASA's Director of Medical Research and Operations and the astronauts primary clinician, evaluating and treating physician.

I will have a great deal to say about this, but the find is so significant, I want to put the basics out there right away with regard to my discovery. On page 716 where Berry specifically is covering the Apollo 8 Frank Borman illness issue he writes;

"Prior to the Apollo 8 mission, a large number of cases of acute viral gastroenteritis lasting for 24 hr occurred in the Cape Kennedy area. Eighteen hours after the launch, the commander of this mission complained of nausea which terminated in vomiting on two occasions. This illness was short-lived and required no treatment but did cause concern about its possible spread to the other crewman."

Yes it certainly would would have caused a great deal of concern Charles to a genuine physician, especially when he or she learned the infection had lead to significant diarrhea with the commander's infected fecal material wafting through the zero-g cabin contaminating everything which it encountered, including the lungs and gi tracts of astronauts Lovell and Anders.

Funny how Berry left out the part about the diarrhea, especially seeing as most physicians would have viewed this as the most significant medical event in the history of Apollo with regard to its ramifications, were any of it real. I know Anders said he couldn't stand the smell, but that is usually not something considered important enough to keep a quack like Berry from writing it in the definitive Aerospace text of the time.

Remember as well, that when Borman wrote his own first person account about his Apollo 8 experience, the Life Magazine account I referenced and quoted in earlier posts, Borman conveniently left the part out about having diarrhea out as well. Guess Charles told him to do that. What do you guys think?

I mean really Charles, are you so immature that you cannot talk about this? Or rather, is it the case that it was a dumb story told to embellish the phony Apollo 8 trip, add some much needed "realism", and in retrospect, you realized another doc might call you on your stuff 42 years later, your lying your rump off stuff, so best to leave the most incriminating and bogus part of the whole scammy story about the Borman illness out of your worthless aerospace medicine publications? Is that right you lousy QUACK!?

After all, since the thing is phony, its not like you really need to discuss it. Never happened so its not a meaningful threat to astronauts. It's all only a big act anyway. Right Chuck, you big fat QUACK?!

When its time for real space missions, Space Station/Shuttle, they build a real bathroom, a bathroom that maintains cabin sanitation to some acknowledged, accepted MEANINGFUL STANDARD. Pretty obvious now ain't it?

All of Apollo is proven bogus right there, right with that one insanely incriminating omission from Berry's chapter in that text. NO DIARRHEA HUH CHUCK, YOU DUMB PHONY SCHMUCK!?! Well ain't that ever so ever so ever so interesting!

Charles Berry was in on the fraud. At least on some level. No question my friends.
 
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So now we're back to the poop thing.

Do you still really believe they would have aborted because of medical condition that had already resolved itself?
 
When its time for real space missions, Space Station/Shuttle, they build a real bathroom, a bathroom that maintains cabin sanitation to some acknowledged, accepted MEANINGFUL STANDARD. Pretty obvious now ain't it?

You do realize that the first shuttle mission was commanded by John Young, veteran of 2 Gemini, and 2 Apollo flights? He commanded Apollo 16, and walked on the Moon.

What am I saying...of course you didn't know that, as it makes your argument look all the more foolish.
 
All of Apollo is proven bogus right there, right with that one insanely incriminating omission from Berry's chapter in that text. NO DIARRHEA HUH CHUCK, YOU DUMB PHONY SCHMUCK!?! Well ain't that ever so ever so ever so interesting!



If it was omitted then how did you learn about it?

Oh, yeah. It's been mentioned in a thousand other places including NASA's very own FLIGHT JOURNAL!!!
 
It is a significant find.

So now we're back to the poop thing.

Do you still really believe they would have aborted because of medical condition that had already resolved itself?

The condition is not real, the mission is not real, Travis, dude, this is all pretend, get a grip.

The doctor writes the chapter about "genuine space experience" with medical illness and he leaves out the most significant thing. Do you understand his role is one of a safety monitor? He is responsible for the lives of astronauts, allegedly anyway. If this were to have happened again, someone could die, were it real.

Have you ever inhaled E. Coli, Shigella, Salmonella, Camplobacter, anaerobic intestinal flora? I have not. And were I Frank Borman's doctor, Neil Armstrong's doctor, or the physician of any astronaut, I wouldn't put up with this stuff. I would be responsible for them. If they were in my charge, they don't inhale feces. They don't swallow it. Not while they are doing something as important as traveling to the moon.

Berry understood my points, but by then it was too late. Best thing he could do was to tell Borman not to write about it and pretend that it never happened himself.

But we know otherwise don't we???????!!!!!

Diagnosis; The Apollo astronauts have a big time QUACK as a physician.

Treatment; It's too late, Apollo is busted.
 
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See my previous posts, Borman wrote about it himself in his own book

If it was omitted then how did you learn about it?

Oh, yeah. It's been mentioned in a thousand other places including NASA's very own FLIGHT JOURNAL!!!

See my previous posts, Borman wrote about it himself in his own book. I quoted Anders above with regard to the stench issue. The astronauts themselves reported it.
 
The condition is not real, the mission is not real, Travis, dude, this is all pretend, get a grip.

The doctor writes the chapter about "genuine space experience" with medical illness and he leaves out the most significant thing. Do you understand his role is one of a safety monitor? He is responsible for the lives of astronauts, allegedly anyway. If this were to have happened again, someone could die, were it real.

Have you ever inhaled E. Coli, Shigella, Salmonella, Camplobacter, anaerobic intestinal flora? I have not. And were I Frank Borman's doctor, Neil Armstrong's doctor, or the physician of any astronaut, I wouldn't put up with this stuff. I would be responsible for them. If they were in my charge, they don't inhale feces. They don't swallow it. Not while they are doing something as important as traveling to the moon.

Berry understood my points, but by then it was too late. Best thing he could do was to tell Borman not to write about it and pretend that it never happened himself.

But we know otherwise don't we.

Diagnosis; The Apollo astronauts have a big time QUACK as a physician.

Treatment; It's too late, Apollo is busted.

Patrick perhaps you haven't noticed but the previous pages on this thread where you made the semi-identical claims and were exposed as inept are still there, your past instances of stupidity haven't magically gone away so there's no point in repeating them and hoping for a better outcome.
 
Nice try bub, if you only knew

Since you are so intent on calling these Physicians quacks, how about some verifiable proof of your own qualifications in medicine, Patrick? This strikes directly at your qualifications to determine what is correct procedure...

Nice try bub, if you only knew. I ain't playing that card 'til it's time. You boys are in BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG trouble.

People say if Apollo is fake why doesn't anyone come forward? Why no hard evidence? Well, there you have it, bogus aerospace text, LAM 2 map mislabeled with 00 41' 15" north and 23 26' 00" east at K .2 / 5.6 instead of J .65 / 7.52 where it is supposed to be, nothing like surreptitiously moving a landing site over 1.3 miles so people don't know where you're landing your military hardware AND TO PROVE THE THING IS FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE, the blue dot marks the spot, A BLUE DOT RIGHT AT K .2 /5.6. PHONY ENOUGH FOR YOU!!!???

Welcome to our world! Apollo is FAKE! LIVE WITH IT!
 
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Nice try bub, if you only knew. I ain't playing that card 'til it's time. You boys are in BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG trouble.

People say if Apollo is fake why doesn't anyone come forward? Why no hard evidence? Well, there you have it, bogus aerospace text, LAM 2 map mislabeled with 00 41' 15" north and 23 26' 00" east at K .2 / 5.6 instead of J .65 / 7.52 where it is supposed to be, nothing like surreptitiously moving a landing site over 1.3 miles so people don't know where you're landing your military hardware AND TO PROVE THE THING IS FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE, the blue dot marks the spot, A BLUE DOT RIGHT AT K .2 /5.6. PHONY ENOUGH FOR YOU!!!???

Welcome to our world! Apollo is FAKE! LIVE WITH IT!


And yet the LM plots near the same craters regardless of which map is used.
 
The condition is not real, the mission is not real, Travis, dude, this is all pretend, get a grip.

Yes. we all realise you are pretending.

The doctor writes the chapter about "genuine space experience" with medical illness and he leaves out the most significant thing. Do you understand his role is one of a safety monitor? He is responsible for the lives of astronauts, allegedly anyway. If this were to have happened again, someone could die, were it real.

Have you ever inhaled E. Coli, Shigella, Salmonella, Camplobacter, anaerobic intestinal flora? I have not.

Did any of the astronauts have such? Were they not in isolation prior to their missions?

And were I Frank Borman's doctor, Neil Armstrong's doctor, or the physician of any astronaut, I wouldn't put up with this stuff. I would be responsible for them. If they were in my charge, they don't inhale feces. They don't swallow it. Not while they are doing something as important as traveling to the moon.

Oh, if you ran the zoo. How did London survive it's various plagues then?


Berry understood my points, but by then it was too late. Best thing he could do was to tell Borman not to write about it and pretend that it never happened himself.
Strange that he has not posted in support of you, is it not?

But we know otherwise don't we???????!!!!!
Yup, 7 question marks and 5 exclamation marks really, really add weight to your argument.

Diagnosis; You have no clue

Treatment; None, Terminal case
 
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