Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[Scorpion NITE]

Not everyone

Definitely not.

 

[Grinder]

Nope never posted at either. Didn't know how to apply a sage cleansing to my laptop.

 

[LondonJohn]

From P** SB

I knew Hellmann was a specialist in civil matters rather than criminal, but I didn't know Zanetti was too. This is troubling on a couple of levels: not only in terms of competency but also because Seattle and Perugia have a sister city relationship, which means business ties.

Also, Giuseppe Leporace, who teaches at the University of Washington and did some correspondence courses with Knox while she was in prison, is also an honorary vice consul.

Hmmm...

What does SB think civil judges do?

They are grabbing at all sorts of straws in an increasingly-pathetic attempt to rationalise the acquittal verdicts. And in the process they are managing to posit some extraordinary conspiracy theories. As da yoof might say: irony much?

 

[LondonJohn]

Jim Lovering (Charlie Wilkes) is on the BBC right now.

 

[WildCat]

So... did she turn a cartwheel when she got off the plane?

 

[LondonJohn]

Nina Burleigh on CNN just now implied that Knox's legal team would be making some allegations against certain prison officers. I only caught the end of her words on this matter, but I'm pretty sure that that is what she was saying. I guess we'll find out more some time soon.

 

[RWVBWL]

Fermentation or just a Dirty Storage Container?

How was the .43g/l alcohol in Meredith explained, given that the english girls said they didn't drink anything? Is it possible they lied?

IIRC, it was an error of some kind, but the details escape me.

Hi Grinder and Halides1,
I was looking for something and saw this post, recalled Barbie Nadeau writing, on page 162 of 'Angel Face' that
"Later toxicology reports showed that she may have been very drunk, but the prosecution wrote those off as bad forensics - they said her body had not been stored properly, so the blood alchol levels wer due to fermentation, not intoxication."

I recall Frank Sfarzo saying something also in his earlier Perugia Shock postings, so I dug into my own history here at JREF and with the advanced search button, found these gems of Mr. Sfarzo's:

"A second surprise we had today was that the blood alcohol count of Meredith went from 0.43 grams/liter to 2.3 grams/liter. Which means from having half a glass of wine or one glass of beer to potentially being in an alcohol-induced coma.
The new results were revealed by a Panorama blog, which obtained them from the consultants of Gip Matteini --Professor Giancarlo Umani Ronchi, Dr Anna Aprile, and Dr Mariano Cingolani-- who repeated the toxicology tests.
We await confirmation because someone here has made a mistake: was it the first lab, the Gip's consultants or the journalist for Panorama?"

and this:

"Alcohol level: As I thought, there was a mistake. Nobody said "I made that mistake," but it seems that the blood sample was kept in a container with some residual alcohol, which is why the second analysis was abnormal. So, the rate of 0.43 found by the University of Perugia is confirmed. Meredith was not drunk."
The link is now dead, because Perugia Shock has changed it's website,
but the title of the original posting was "Meredith sobers up"

But I gather from reading these 2 sources is this is that it seems like someone goofed up a couple of times, to say the least!

1st) By improperly storing Meredith Kercher's body, allowing for fermentation to occur.
2nd), By putting a blood sample in an previously used, unsterile container.*
Hmmmm,
RW


* - This kinda reminds me of a post that I linked to the other day that LondonJohn had written about the cops and that huuuge kitchen knife:
"So, let's recap: The knife was placed into a non-sterile paper envelope (the type used for posting large letters) when it was collected at Sollecito's apartment. It was then removed from this non-sterile envelope at the police station, and placed into another inappropriate non-sterile container (a box which had contained a desk diary!)."

Link:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=6863833#post6863833

Anyone wanna tackle LondonJohn's post with regards to contamination issues or possible evidence planting?

 

[Freddy]

They are grabbing at all sorts of straws in an increasingly-pathetic attempt to rationalise the acquittal verdicts. And in the process they are managing to posit some extraordinary conspiracy theories. As da yoof might say: irony much?

What needs rationalizing is the original guilty verdict. There was never any evidence, there was no explanation for the absence of evidence that would have been there if Knox were guilty, and the police "interrogation" tactics would get any U.S. cop indicted. Bad pseudo-science, an out of control and unstable prosecutor (who was convicted of egregious misconduct in another case shortly after the guilty verdict), and a police theory that never made any sense at all, nor did it fit with the evidence that was found (and just as importantly, the evidence that was not there).

The bizarre drug-sex-orgy theory of the crime had no basis in reality and no evidence to support it. Knox's bizarre behavior was the result of sleep deprivation after being interrogated for over forty hours over five days, including an all-night finale with 12 (!) detectives taking turns going at her. She was railroaded all the way.

 

[LondonJohn]

Ahhh, I see that Yummi regards me as a "pompous ignorant" who "specialized in teching (sic) false things on topics he doesn't know".

But you're forgetting one thing, Yummi. I am right on the issue that has raised your ire. And you are wrong. But if it makes you feel better to call me names because you can't defend your position, then knock yourself out. Literally.

 

[Scorpion NITE]

They are grabbing at all sorts of straws in an increasingly-pathetic attempt to rationalise the acquittal verdicts. And in the process they are managing to posit some extraordinary conspiracy theories. As da yoof might say: irony much?

Yes, certain commentators who loved to make accusations of conspiracy theories appear to have ended their stint over here for the time being, that's plane to see.

Others have not posted in this thread for a while, sneaking off with a shrug of the shoulders...not that that has prevented them making snidy remarks on other threads.

Gracefully admitting defeat does not seem to be a forte amongst the dimwits who reside in the PMF Dungeons.



P.S. I can spell 'plain' by the way.

 

[LondonJohn]

Yes, certain commentators who loved to make accusations of conspiracy theories appear to have ended their stint over here for the time being, that's plane to see.

Others have not posted in this thread for a while, sneaking off with a shrug of the shoulders...not that that has prevented them making snidy remarks on other threads.

Gracefully admitting defeat does not seem to be a forte amongst the dimwits who reside in the PMF Dungeons.

Nice post

Yes, I wonder what has happened to our agricultural friend. Maybe it's an especially tough harvest this year? I can't think of any other reason why he might have disappeared without trace since yesterday evening.....

 

[smkovalinksy]

First time I ever heard Amanda not speaking Italian! Just a sweet, nervous college girl---where is the double-souled witch and Luciferina? This is a good girl, an innocent girl, who loves her family. She thanked all who supported and defended her, which includes JREF. She is lovely. I love her face. What a cutie.

 

[RWVBWL]

Ahhh, I see that Yummi regards me as a "pompous ignorant" who "specialized in teching (sic) false things on topics he doesn't know".

But you're forgetting one thing, Yummi. I am right on the issue that has raised your ire. And you are wrong. But if it makes you feel better to call me names because you can't defend your position, then knock yourself out. Literally.

Now that it is publicly known that Yummi/Machiavelli speaks with Proesecutor Mignini, it's really interesting to come across his posts from the last year when you seach for something...

 

[Grinder]

Ominously Tara, Prof Snape, and FBN are missing on P**

They were three of the PGP that stalked the Amanda fund raiser at Salty's.

Where could they be?

: anne, Bea, bedelia, btc2008, Emerald, jeffski, lauowolf, lolatengo, Macport, orange, piktor, Skeptical Bystander, stilicho, stint7, teacher, The 411, Vivianna, Xarta, Yummi, Zopi and 71 guests

 

[Scorpion NITE]

Nice post

Yes, I wonder what has happened to our agricultural friend. Maybe it's an especially tough harvest this year? I can't think of any other reason why he might have disappeared without trace since yesterday evening.....

Maybe been watching Ipswich Town who I understand have the nickname 'Tractor Boys'

Well, some people did try to 'sow the seeds of doubt,' but I guess a basic modicum of intelligence allowed us to see that they were living in a 'field of dreams.'

If some of them do return, I'm sure they'll be able to come up with 'some alibi' to explain the absence.

Not that I would be enthralled and I certainly won't be saying 'Yummi'

Thanks for stopping by.

 

[LondonJohn]

Ominously Tara, Prof Snape, and FBN are missing on P**

They were three of the PGP that stalked the Amanda fund raiser at Salty's.

Where could they be?

: anne, Bea, bedelia, btc2008, Emerald, jeffski, lauowolf, lolatengo, Macport, orange, piktor, Skeptical Bystander, stilicho, stint7, teacher, The 411, Vivianna, Xarta, Yummi, Zopi and 71 guests

Gosh, I hope they don't get themselves into trouble through anything they say or do. I would be surprised if the authorities aren't keeping a quiet eye on certain people in the Seattle area over the coming days, weeks and months. Instability + vindictiveness + previous history of stalking are not a good combo.

 

[Justinian2]

This was a story of Beauty (Amanda) and the Beast (Mignini)

 

[LondonJohn]

First time I ever heard Amanda not speaking Italian! Just a sweet, nervous college girl---where is the double-souled witch and Luciferina? This is a good girl, an innocent girl, who loves her family. She thanked all who supported and defended her, which includes JREF. She is lovely. I love her face. What a cutie.

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Now you're going all un-sceptical on us!

(FWIW, I too felt strangely moved by Knox's demeanour and short speech. My belief in her (very probable) innocence is separate from all that, of course)

 

[smkovalinksy]

This was a story of Beauty (Amanda) and the Beast(Mignini)

Very apt! But as the story goes, she must love him, and bring out the prince in him

 

[smkovalinksy]

Now you're going all un-sceptical on us!

(FWIW, I too felt strangely moved by Knox's demeanour and short speech. My belief in her (very probable) innocence is separate from all that, of course)

That I am! I just fell in love with her