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Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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Poppy1016 said:
Conversely, how much have you contributed to the Merideth Kercher memorial fund?
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I have no emotional investment in this case. Check out my posts on the topic going back to 2007, on and off.

I am curious as to why you ask that question.

Pay attention, Poppy.

If you care, what do you do about it?

Do you mouth off on the internet, or do perhaps something else?
 
Fine said:
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Halides,

To be fair to Barbie, I don't think Barbie is here arguing that tissue type can be determined by peak heights. She seems to be arguing that the quantity of Amanda's DNA is greater than the quantity of Meredith's DNA in some of the blood samples. Amanda's traces are "higher" than Meredith's in some of those spots of blood, so the blood is "mixed." The peak height is, apparently, a function of DNA concentration in the sample.
This seems like a silly argument when applied to diluted blood.

And the pink "mixed" blood appeared to be diluted blood. And if diluted blood, diluted blood DNA, too. (Because fewer white blood cells.) So any non-blood DNA added to the diluted blood drop would have made a larger contribution than if the drop had been undiluted blood.

Let's suppose it was Meredith's diluted blood. If there were more residual non-blood DNA in the bathroom left by Amanda than left by Meredith, a "mixed" sample could have had "higher" Amanda traces without any of Amanda's blood occurring in the sample. Maybe Amanda "shed" more DNA than Meredith did. (As a hippy chick, did she spit more?) Oh,...or maybe Amanda had lived in the cottage longer than Meredith. So many ways to create diluted "mixed blood" without the bloods of two people mixing.

To conclude that a sample was mixed blood, one would have to know the background distribution of Amanda's non-blood DNA and Meredith's non-blood DNA where the sample was collected. That was never discovered. Therefore mixed blood wasn't discovered either. Only mixed DNA traces were discovered. Exactly what one would expect.

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Just so that I am clear about this - if Rudy dripped some of Meredith's blood into the sink which already had Amanda's DNA in it and the blood drop(s)(Meredith's) fell onto that DNA (Amanda's) - could that not have been the 'mixture'? Or, of course, the way it was swabbed?
 
If Rudy had been the victim, would the PG sites have been started?

I'm sorry but Meredith must be one of the most remembered victims because of Amanda and her "PR" campaign.

The Italians certainly haven't spared anything in prosecuting her "killers".

"Meredith Kercher" googled gets 2.3 million hits - not forgotten.
 
a good question

Darth Rotor said:
The wager has been paid. Komponisto and Humanity Blues backed the correct horse. :)

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7642693&postcount=320

I will repeat a question Matthew Best asked me:

How many of you have donated to the legal fund for Amanda Knox and her family?
The story I read in the press is that their legal bills exceed a million dollars. :eek:

Just how supportive are you, AK supporters?
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Darth Rotor,

I have blogged on this case, and I thought it would be inappropriate for me to support their legal defense under these circumstances (perhaps if I had disclosed it, it would have been OK). Time to reconsider in light of yesterday's development.
 
charlatan said:
I'm offended by your insinuation that Rummy is anything other than a true American hero. :eek:
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I believe I was the one that called yeti101 "Mr. Rumsfeld", but it was not a put down, it was a small joke in reply to the post where he/she used the phrase about "the known knowns that we know, and the things we know that we know" in your quote. It seemed like a take off on Rumsfeld to me.
 
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mixed DNA is not even that uncommon

Scorpion NITE said:
Just so that I am clear about this - if Rudy dripped some of Meredith's blood into the sink which already had Amanda's DNA in it and the blood drop(s)(Meredith's) fell onto that DNA (Amanda's) - could that not have been the 'mixture'? Or, of course, the way it was swabbed?
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Scorpion NITE,

I think that either of your explanations is reasonable. Mixed DNA does not have to be deposited at the same time. MOO.
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Fine's analysis looks spot-on to me. The only thing I would add is that I don't see a way to quantitate how much total biological matter one collects in a DNA swab.
 
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well looks like their landing from the north directly over my place

eta - that plane map is super accurate. she just flew over the UW - probably piad extra :D
 
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LondonJohn said:
Note how the Mail has deliberately avoided putting a monetary value on the PR campaign. What is "expensive"? If they were ever facing a libel action on this, they would argue that in their view - and that of their readers - £10,000 ($15,000) would count as "expensive". But of course the article is intended to convey the impression that far more than that was spent on PR. And of course they hope that people will link the mentions of the PR spend to Mignini's "million-dollar" statement in court. The Mail almost certainly know that if they repeated the "million-dollar" claim in print now - even if they did no more than re-quote Mignini - they might find themselves in real trouble.

I suspect that the UK press are policing themselves very carefully indeed over this case right now. They have been in so much trouble recently (notably over coverage of the Joanna Yates murder and the Madeleine McCann disappearance) that they know they are on a short leach both legally and financially (the UK newspaper industry is in serious decline). It will be very interesting to see which paper is the first to slip up. i wouldn't mind betting that it might actually be one of the ones that you wouldn't normally think of - perhaps the Guardian or Telegraph. But I guess we'll have to wait and see. I hope that Knox and Sollecito have someone monitoring the international media. I shall certainly be keeping an informal eye on the UK media.....
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Exactly.

The comments about 'cartoon character/witch trials' narked me as well. Didn't you listen to the Appeal trial, you idiots?

The Daily Fail is particularly bad but I agree with you that others need to step carefully over the ensuing weeks too.
 
not a meaningful number

Grinder said:
How was the .43g/l alcohol in Meredith explained, given that the english girls said they didn't drink anything? Is it possible they lied?
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IIRC, it was an error of some kind, but the details escape me.
 
Darth Rotor said:
I have no emotional investment in this case. Check out my posts on the topic going back to 2007, on and off.

I am curious as to why you ask that question.

Pay attention, Poppy.

If you care, what do you do about it?

Do you mouth off on the internet, or do perhaps something else?
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Yikes, that must have hit a nerve. You can ask how many AK supporters donated, but you get angry at the same question posed to you. I keep all donations I make to myself since you asked.
 
Poppy1016 said:
Yikes, that must have hit a nerve. You can ask how many AK supporters donated, but you get angry at the same question posed to you. I keep all donations I make to myself since you asked.
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You donate money to yourself?! ;)

(I follow the same principle as you, for what it's worth. It's also a principle that the "conspicuous compassion" group over at .org could usefully learn to understand and apply)
 
halides1 said:
Scorpion NITE,

I think that either of your explanations is reasonable. Mixed DNA does not have to be deposited at the same time. MOO.
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Many thanks.

At the risk of intimating that my intelligence quotient is actually considerably lower than yourself and other noteworthy contributors to this thread, would this be an opportune moment to ask what precisely is meant by 'MOO'? I have seen a number of posters use this at the end of posts on some occasions. :blush:
 
And, so as not to disappoint, both Sky News and BBC News 24 are currently showing live feed of Knox's plane landing and taxiing in Seattle.....
 
halides1 said:
IIRC, it was an error of some kind, but the details escape me.
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That's what I thought but it's in Massei

ETA: He stated that the results of the toxicological analyses revealed the absence of
psychotropic drugs and a blood alcohol level of 0.43 grams/litre.
 Page 112 PDF Massei

The plane has landed - live on all networks in Seattle
 
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And it looks lie the cabin crew have allowed them to pull the blinds over the windows along most of the upper deck - so as to prevent long-lens photos or video of them on board.
 
Dougm said:
I believe I was the one that called yeti101 "Mr. Rumsfeld", but it was not a put down, it was a small joke in reply to the post where he/she used the phrase about "the known knowns that we know, and the things we know that we know" in your quote. It seemed like a take off on Rumsfeld to me.
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yeah the original post was the one i was talking about not your one so its ok :)

i even brought them the plane map as an olive branch. no thanks though :(
 
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