Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[yeti101]

You mean we should ignore you when you state outright falsehoods, like that they're flying first class when they're not?

I thought business class was more expensive no? i'm doing you a favour downgrading them lol

You guys are touchy wow i got the 1st class info from huff post.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

mark this day in my calendar

I noticed that Maundy Gregory has a new article up at TJMK. He finally takes the gloves off and reveals his true colors. More PR machine nonsense:

Maundy wrote, "It won’t be possible to know how the decision of the court was reached until it publishes its detailed motivation report. But I find it hard to imagine how it will make sense." (highlighting mine) For once I know how Maundy feels.

 

[LondonJohn]

I would like to take this opportunity to thank the many people here who were so dedicated and did such an amazing job of supplying crucial information. I would obviously like to thank Frank Sfarzo for the unbelieveable effort he put into all this.
I wish God's blessing and comfort to the Kerchers and also AK & RS and their families.

I agree totally. I think that the community of posters here have shown intelligence, sound judgement, great research skills and fantastic resilience. Oh and the odd bit of good humour too. And I'm not referring to myself at all here - I bow in admiration at the knowledge, intellect and arguing skills of a large number of posters here: I hope you all know who you are.

I too think that Frank Sfarzo has done an amazing effort in continuing his one-man crusade to report the truth from almost within the lions' den. I trust he will get the recognition he deserves, and that he will sort out his issues with Mignini and the police to his satisfaction. He has a handy paypal donation feature on his homepage if anyone feels like buying him a drink or two (or helping pay his large fine!).

And yes, I do think a lot about the Kercher family. I drove right past Coulsdon the other day, and I felt real sadness. And bizarrely, on my way back, my satnav detoured me so that I passed right past the entrance to the cemetery in which Meredith is buried. The realisation of that (which only hit me just as I passed the cemetery gates) really made my heart miss a beat. I just hope her family can find peace and closure, and that they are able to resume something approaching a normal life.

Finally, I share your feelings towards Amanda Knox, Raffaele Sollecito, and both of their families and close friends. They were unwitting and unjust participants in this tragic story, and they have had four years of their young lives taken from them. While that's not comparable to the life that Meredith lost, it is still a very significant tragedy in absolute terms. I hope that they and their families are able to move forward and gain back what they lost, and that once all the media hullabaloo is over, they can go back to living happy, healthy, productive lives, full of the entire range of emotions and experiences.

 

[Scorpion NITE]

I noticed that Maundy Gregory has a new article up at TJMK. He finally takes the gloves off and reveals his true colors. More PR machine nonsense:

These imbeciles won't let go that easily - I see the Daily Fail here in the UK can't help themselves - here are a few excerpts from their 'article' just 'published':


''The Kerchers have largely maintained a dignified silence since the murder, while the Knox family have deployed every resource at their disposal, including an expensive PR campaign...''.

''....Waiting for her were friends and supporters who have waged a relentless PR campaign on her behalf.''

''Some observers have speculated their positive portrayal of a young woman initially attacked as a cold-hearted party girl influenced the previously hostile Italian media. This in turn may have been the deciding factor in the appeal jury’s decision.''

''...The pro-Knox campaign was boosted by a sympathetic U.S. media whose coverage of the case has always largely ignored Meredith Kercher’s tragedy, played up the unfairness of Italian justice and played down any evidence that showed Knox in a bad light.''

''The American media has greeted her release from the ‘far-fetched’ conviction with the most dramatic language. Some commentators even compared her treatment to the notorious Salem witch trials of 1692, saying her looks and seductiveness were twisted into a ‘villainous cartoon character’.''


Unbelievably trashy article.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-Meredith-Kerchers-family-plead-justice.html

 

[icerat]

I thought business class was more expensive no? i'm doing you a favour downgrading them lol

You guys are touchy wow i got the 1st class info from huff post.

Uh, no. Business class is significantly cheaper than first class. Indeed checking ba.com, Rome to Seattle, Business/Club class is nearly half the price of First Class for the trip

ETA: speaking of which, they just entered US airspace, I bet she's happy about that.

 

[LondonJohn]

I thought business class was more expensive no? i'm doing you a favour downgrading them lol

You guys are touchy wow i got the 1st class info from huff post.

I think I can take a guess at the number of long-haul flights you've ever taken

 

[yeti101]

Hopefully, LJ won't mind me replying on this -

I was compared to donald rumsfeld the nazis and viciously attacked for my spelling by the "innocenti" just for saying I thought they were guilty.

 

[Fine]

"Comment From Bruce Fisher
Do you continue to believe that there was mixed blood in the cottage?
2:37


BARBIE LATZA NADEAU:
There are mixed genetic traces in spots of blood in which Amanda's traces are higher than Meredith's. That implies mixed blood according to the dozens of forensics experts I've interviewed about this. Who have you interviewed?
2:38"
(highlighting mine)
I asked Professor Dan Krane, coauthor of a textbook on bioinformatics and president of a DNA profiling company. He said, "Inferring tissue source from peak heights is just plain silly -- to the point of being absolutely outrageous. It hardly bears more comment than that, but if high peaks mean blood then what would you expect from semen which has a ten to one hundred fold higher concentration of DNA?”

A question to Ms. Nadeau: Whom did you interview?

_____________________________________

Halides,

To be fair to Barbie, I don't think Barbie is here arguing that tissue type can be determined by peak heights. She seems to be arguing that the quantity of Amanda's DNA is greater than the quantity of Meredith's DNA in some of the blood samples. Amanda's traces are "higher" than Meredith's in some of those spots of blood, so the blood is "mixed." The peak height is, apparently, a function of DNA concentration in the sample.
This seems like a silly argument when applied to diluted blood.

And the pink "mixed" blood appeared to be diluted blood. And if diluted blood, diluted blood DNA, too. (Because fewer white blood cells.) So any non-blood DNA added to the diluted blood drop would have made a larger contribution than if the drop had been undiluted blood.

Let's suppose it was Meredith's diluted blood. If there were more residual non-blood DNA in the bathroom left by Amanda than left by Meredith, a "mixed" sample could have had "higher" Amanda traces without any of Amanda's blood occurring in the sample. Maybe Amanda "shed" more DNA than Meredith did. (As a hippy chick, did she spit more?) Oh,...or maybe Amanda had lived in the cottage longer than Meredith. So many ways to create diluted "mixed blood" without the bloods of two people mixing.

To conclude that a sample was mixed blood, one would have to know the background distribution of Amanda's non-blood DNA and Meredith's non-blood DNA where the sample was collected. That was never discovered. Therefore mixed blood wasn't discovered either. Only mixed DNA traces were discovered. Exactly what one would expect.

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[Darth Rotor]

The wager has been paid. Komponisto and Humanity Blues backed the correct horse.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7642693&postcount=320

I will repeat a question Matthew Best asked me:

How many of you have donated to the legal fund for Amanda Knox and her family?
The story I read in the press is that their legal bills exceed a million dollars.

Just how supportive are you, AK supporters?

 

[yeti101]

The wager has been paid. Komponisto and Humanity Blues backed the correct horse.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7642693&postcount=320

I will repeat a question Matthew Best asked me:

How many of you have donated to the legal fund for Amanda Knox and her family?
The story I read in the press is that their legal bills exceed a million dollars.

Just how supportive are you, AK supporters?

dude they don't need donations. TV networks, book & movie deals will make them rich beyond their wildest dreams.

 

[Grinder]

I noticed that Maundy Gregory has a new article up at TJMK. He finally takes the gloves off and reveals his true colors. More PR machine nonsense:

Does anybody else wonder if these bloggers that come along and get promoted by SB are in fact SB?

 

[icerat]

The wager has been paid. Komponisto and Humanity Blues backed the correct horse.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7642693&postcount=320

I will repeat a question Matthew Best asked me:

How many of you have donated to the legal fund for Amanda Knox and her family?
The story I read in the press is that their legal bills exceed a million dollars.

Just how supportive are you, AK supporters?

I only got invested in this case in the last week or two. I'm pretty confident the Knox's will be able to cover their legal expenses without my help. That would not have been the case if they had not been acquitted.

Frank Sfarzo is another story. Heading over to his site to send a few dollars euros his way shortly.

 

[LondonJohn]

These imbeciles won't let go that easily - I see the Daily Fail here in the UK can't help themselves - here are a few excerpts from their 'article' just 'published':


The Kerchers have largely maintained a dignified silence since the murder, while the Knox family have deployed every resource at their disposal, including an expensive PR campaign.

Waiting for her were friends and supporters who have waged a relentless PR campaign on her behalf.

Some observers have speculated their positive portrayal of a young woman initially attacked as a cold-hearted party girl influenced the previously hostile Italian media. This in turn may have been the deciding factor in the appeal jury’s decision.

The pro-Knox campaign was boosted by a sympathetic U.S. media whose coverage of the case has always largely ignored Meredith Kercher’s tragedy, played up the unfairness of Italian justice and played down any evidence that showed Knox in a bad light.

The American media has greeted her release from the ‘far-fetched’ conviction with the most dramatic language. Some commentators even compared her treatment to the notorious Salem witch trials of 1692, saying her looks and seductiveness were twisted into a ‘villainous cartoon character’.


Unbelievably trashy article.

Note how the Mail has deliberately avoided putting a monetary value on the PR campaign. What is "expensive"? If they were ever facing a libel action on this, they would argue that in their view - and that of their readers - £10,000 ($15,000) would count as "expensive". But of course the article is intended to convey the impression that far more than that was spent on PR. And of course they hope that people will link the mentions of the PR spend to Mignini's "million-dollar" statement in court. The Mail almost certainly know that if they repeated the "million-dollar" claim in print now - even if they did no more than re-quote Mignini - they might find themselves in real trouble.

I suspect that the UK press are policing themselves very carefully indeed over this case right now. They have been in so much trouble recently (notably over coverage of the Joanna Yates murder and the Madeleine McCann disappearance) that they know they are on a short leach both legally and financially (the UK newspaper industry is in serious decline). It will be very interesting to see which paper is the first to slip up. i wouldn't mind betting that it might actually be one of the ones that you wouldn't normally think of - perhaps the Guardian or Telegraph. But I guess we'll have to wait and see. I hope that Knox and Sollecito have someone monitoring the international media. I shall certainly be keeping an informal eye on the UK media.....

 

[Grinder]

How was the .43g/l alcohol in Meredith explained, given that the english girls said they didn't drink anything? Is it possible they lied?

 

[Poppy1016]

The wager has been paid. Komponisto and Humanity Blues backed the correct horse.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7642693&postcount=320

I will repeat a question Matthew Best asked me:

How many of you have donated to the legal fund for Amanda Knox and her family?
The story I read in the press is that their legal bills exceed a million dollars.

Just how supportive are you, AK supporters?

Conversely, how much have you contributed to the Merideth Kercher memorial fund?

 

[yeti101]

I think I can take a guess at the number of long-haul flights you've ever taken

i used to fly domestic flights business class in the UK. Had the price on the ticket i'm sure i checked one time and it was more expensive than 1st class. Could be wrong or maybe its different transatlantic?

 

[LondonJohn]

The wager has been paid. Komponisto and Humanity Blues backed the correct horse.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7642693&postcount=320

I will repeat a question Matthew Best asked me:

How many of you have donated to the legal fund for Amanda Knox and her family?
The story I read in the press is that their legal bills exceed a million dollars.

Just how supportive are you, AK supporters?

Their legal bills (and travel, subsistence etc for family members) very likely have exceeded $1 million. But as others have already pointed out in response to you, they will recoup all of this in interviews and book sales. And rightly so in my view. I strongly believe that Knox and her family will not be looking to actively make money out of this tragedy. I therefore wouldn't be at all surprised that if Knox stands to make far more than her family's accumulated bills, she might either turn off the money tap once the coffers have been refilled or she might donate a sizeable portion of the overflow proceeds to a worthy cause. I think she might surprise a few people in that regard. Wait and see.

 

[charlatan]

I was compared to donald rumsfeld the nazis and viciously attacked for my spelling by the "innocenti" in this thread just for saying I thought they were guilty.

I'm offended by your insinuation that Rummy is anything other than a true American hero.

 

[Justinian2]

CNN is ready for Amanda's arrival at 5:12 Pacific time. Cameras everywhere. Reporters everywhere. She might talk. They'll probably have a press conference at six.

Amanda is the best known person in Seattle (Bill who?)

 

[theRealBob]

I just thought of something, maybe he should get one? If Italy has no double-jeopardy protections, perhaps re-trying him might garner him the sentence he deserves?



This might have something to do with having to face up to the fact had Maresca not have refused to contest the mitigation that Rudy didn't act alone, Rudy Guede would have gotten a longer sentence.

I think Mignini is also due for another trial and resentencing for his abuse of office conviction. He has obviously proved himself in this case to be a recidivist and habitual offender which is exactly what Judges do not like.

Don't forget Maresca found the music loving, toilet hugging, brave defender of Meredith, and comforter of her as she lay dying, (before nicking off to the local disco for a dance) Rudy, to be very credible.