Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

[Patrick1000]

I don't think I got so much wrong.

I wonder what Fischer would make of a chess player who kept referring to the Sillian opening, got rows and columns the wrong way round and couldn't remember which orientation the numbers were, called the knight "the horsey" , got the queen and king the wrong way round when setting up.
These are exactly equivalent to the errors you are making in your posts, the same sort of basic schoolboy errors.
Do you think Fischer would take that player seriously?

I don't think I got so much wrong. I am the first Apollo researcher to point out the mysterious blue dot on the Apollo 11 flown map corresponds precisely to Tranquility Base's position( 00 41' 15" north and 23 26' 00" east) given the labeling and scaling with 23 30' 00" at longitude line 7.6 . Not bad for a rank amateur, wouldn't ya' say drewid?

By the way, what do you think the dot is doing there at at precisely K .2 and longitude 5.6 ? Kind of wild, is it not!?

 

[drewid]

Horsey takes kings prawn

 

[drewid]

Not bad for a rank amateur,

You realise that's the only true description you've ever given of yourself.
And you might want to check those numbers again.

 

[dafydd]

Why is this troll still being fed?

 

[SUSpilot]

An open quiz for everyone but "Patrick"

Well, embarrassing because next to the U.S. Men's 4 X 100 meter freestyle relay team beating the French at the Beijing 2008 Olympics, our claim of landing on the moon is our claim to the coolest thing we have ever done. Again, next to the relay race win, which of course was not hoaxed.

"Patrick", you've already given your answer, so youre not qualified.

Our OP has stated here that he's 54. That makes him roughly two years younger than me (56 this past August). What Olympic event do you think Americans of my generation* would reference as the coolest thing we did next to landing on the Moon?

"Patrick", I'll deal with the rest of your nonsense later. But right now I have to walk to the office. It's difficult, as I'm quaking with fear. Y'see, I live and work within 12 miles of Offutt AFB, and within one mile of one of my company's facilities that is targeted by at least one Russian warhead, and probably bracketed by several. Well, maybe not; there was no way we could have crossed the North American continent in the 1860's, as it was too risky. My company simply has to be a fake.
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*That is US citizens that were actually alive at that point in history.

 

[drewid]

Why is this troll still being fed?

But he's sooo funny, look:

I am a scientist of not insignificant abilities

I don't think I got so much wrong... Not bad for a rank amateur,

It might be because I'm English. We share a schadenfreude thing with our German cousins. We enjoy watching people make fools of themselves.

 

[dafydd]

But he's sooo funny, look:





It might be because I'm English. We share a schadenfreude thing with our German cousins. We enjoy watching people make fools of themselves.

You have a point. My Mum used to say 'A liar needs a good memory.' Young Patrick has a terrible memory.

 

[TjW]

"Patrick", you've already given your answer, so youre not qualified.

Our OP has stated here that he's 54. That makes him roughly two years younger than me (56 this past August). What Olympic event do you think Americans of my generation* would reference as the coolest thing we did next to landing on the Moon?

I'm guessing a lot of people our age would mention something about some hockey game or other.

 

[Patrick1000]

The miracle on ice thing, 1980, Lake Placid

I'm guessing a lot of people our age would mention something about some hockey game or other.

I remember that game(those games)!. Very cool. Remember the guy with the missing teeth!?!? Coach Herb Brooks! Fantastic it was.

I did not see the relay race in Beijing, but did see many of the swimming events.

The coolest thing I ever saw live was the Phelps/Cavic 100 meter fly race in Rome 2009. INSANE! I THOUGHT I WOULD DIE WAITING FOR THE GUN TO GO OFF.

Still, Jason Lezak's last 100 in the race against the frogs in Beijing was without question in my mind, the best thing we ever pulled off.

I love those guys.

 

[matt.tansy]

That is, we still must be using the moon as a platform for military operations in some capacity. That scares people, including me.

You remind me of the Ghosthunters: they're always scaring themselves when there's really nothing there.

By the way, as far as I can see, nobody has shown me, demonstrated to me, that the Apollo 11 Flown Map of Michael Collins is not labeled with 23 30' 00" at LAM 2 Map longitude line 7.6.

And yet the LM constantly plots near the same craters regardless of which map is used.

Check the map, see the mark there between longitude lines 7 and 8, roughly there at 7.6? It reads 23 30' 00".

And yet the LM constantly plots near the same craters regardless of which map is used.

See that?

And yet the LM constantly plots near the same craters regardless of which map is used.

It is roughly 4 radians

Now you're using "radians" to refer to the grid lines! Bwahahahaha! Is this some lame attempt to slowly start using "radians" in the proper context to ease the pain of embarrassment?

west of where it should be and don't say you cannot see it SUSpilot. It is marked plain as day.

And yet the LM constantly plots near the same craters regardless of which map is used.

 

[TjW]

I remember that game(those games)!.

Which game was that, again?

 

[dafydd]

I remember that game(those games)!. Very cool. Remember the guy with the missing teeth!?!? Coach Herb Brooks! Fantastic it was.

I did not see the relay race in Beijing, but did see many of the swimming events.

The coolest thing I ever saw live was the Phelps/Cavic 100 meter fly race in Rome 2009. INSANE! I THOUGHT I WOULD DIE WAITING FOR THE GUN TO GO OFF.

Still, Jason Lezak's last 100 in the race against the frogs in Beijing was without question in my mind, the best thing we ever pulled off.

I love those guys.

What would you do without Google?

 

[Hans]

Why is this troll still being fed?

I've been watching you guys with amazement as you waste time with this guy - and no there is no 'theory you have to counter', LOL

I mean he is funny - but - why not assign one guy to counter him and the rest of you go do something more important like catching flies in the Soudan?

 

[JayUtah]

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I don't think I got so much wrong.

Hogwash. It would be easier to determine what, if anything, you may have gotten right. In every topic you bring up, you demonstrate a stunning level of incompetence, framed by an equally amusing level of arrogance. You seem to think you can gloss over amateur mistakes and still style yourself as the only person who is getting it right.

From "Julian" coordinates to the ignorance of plainly published coordinate conversion factors, from hand-held sextants to precision guidance requirements, you make not only an amount of mistakes that would embarrass even the poorest student, but the type of elementary mistake that makes your claims to authority and expertise only all the more entertaining.

I am the first Apollo researcher...

You're not a researcher, you're a warrior. Hence your obsession with being recognized, your "ruthless" self-characterization, your longing to get your name in the history books, and your frequent references to "taking down" NASA and the legitimate scholars who study the history of space exploration. Researchers seek truth; warriors seek glory.

I ask this question at least once a day, and you explicitly keep ignoring it: why do you think everyone who is suitably educated believes Apollo was real?

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Jay: precisely! In that earlier post, I think I pointed out to the good "Doctor" that the launch abort scenario was a transient 20G event or some such. It had never been done with a manned capsule and there were very serious concerns about the event. In my own case, I'd be concerned that I'm now trying accelerate away from what would be the equivalent of a small tactical nuclear weapon as it broke up behind me. It's a last-ditch effort, similar to using the CAPS on a Cirrus aircraft.

The booster's telemetry was telling ground that everything was going the right direction. As we say in my CFI life, altitude and airspeed are your friends. That was not the time to bail out.

Fun Facts:

The Launch Escape Motor, if measured using the nomenclature of model rocketry, would be described as an "R3-0" motor.

The Tower Jettison Motor would be described as an "O1-0" motor, and would technically be legal for a person with a Level 3 high-power rocketry certification to own and use. The Jettison motor burns for only 1 second, though, which would create some pretty severe stresses on any flyable object that could be built in your average hobbyist's garage.

 

[CptColumbo]

An important question is, have we been to any of the moons discovered by Clyde Tombaugh in the 50's (according to Donald Keyhoe)?

 

[Border Reiver]

I'm guessing a lot of people our age would mention something about some hockey game or other.

The 1974 Canada-USSR series?

 

[Patrick1000]

Chill with the hyperbole there fella'

I don't think I got so much wrong.

Hogwash. It would be easier to determine what, if anything, you may have gotten right. In every topic you bring up, you demonstrate a stunning level of incompetence, framed by an equally amusing level of arrogance. You seem to think you can gloss over amateur mistakes and still style yourself as the only person who is getting it right.

From "Julian" coordinates to the ignorance of plainly published coordinate conversion factors, from hand-held sextants to precision guidance requirements, you make not only an amount of mistakes that would embarrass even the poorest student, but the type of elementary mistake that makes your claims to authority and expertise only all the more entertaining.

I am the first Apollo researcher...

You're not a researcher, you're a warrior. Hence your obsession with being recognized, your "ruthless" self-characterization, your longing to get your name in the history books, and your frequent references to "taking down" NASA and the legitimate scholars who study the history of space exploration. Researchers seek truth; warriors seek glory.

I ask this question at least once a day, and you explicitly keep ignoring it: why do you think everyone who is suitably educated believes Apollo was real?

So same question to you then professor, what is the blue dot doing there on the Apollo 11 LAM 2 flown map at K .2 and 5.6? Also, why does that map show 23 30' 00" east at Apollo 11 LAM flown map longitude line 7.6 ? It should not be there? That longitude line should be roughly 4 minutes of arc west of there by the map standards of that time(see my previous post referencing both the USGS map of 1970 and the Apollo 10 flown map of MAy 18 1969). These two maps agreeing quite well with one another.

We all agree WITH NASA that, at least by 1969 reckoning anyway, Apollo 11 LAM 2 flown map longitude line 7.52 corresponded to 23 26' 00" east. As such, with longitude line 7.6 being 0.08 map units to the east of 7.52, that 7.6 longitude line should be marked 23 26' 09" NOT 23 30' 00". Note that the USGS map of Maurice Glover and the Apollo 10 flown map, unlike the Apollo 11 flown map features this CORRECT scaling and labeling.

The Apollo 11 LAM 2 flown map is way off. With 7.6 marked as 23 30' 00" east, the map grid is skewed roughly 4 minutes of arc to the west of where its should be and so is on the order of 1.2 miles west from where it lies on the USGS map, not to mention the Apollo 10 flown map signed by Cernan as well.

The Apollo 11 map is a fake Jay, in that it is intentionally mislabeled to intentionally mislead, and you know it.

 

[Patrick1000]

By the way, I clearly admitted my mistake about the Julian dating issue.

I don't think I got so much wrong.

Hogwash. It would be easier to determine what, if anything, you may have gotten right. In every topic you bring up, you demonstrate a stunning level of incompetence, framed by an equally amusing level of arrogance. You seem to think you can gloss over amateur mistakes and still style yourself as the only person who is getting it right.

From "Julian" coordinates to the ignorance of plainly published coordinate conversion factors, from hand-held sextants to precision guidance requirements, you make not only an amount of mistakes that would embarrass even the poorest student, but the type of elementary mistake that makes your claims to authority and expertise only all the more entertaining.

I am the first Apollo researcher...

You're not a researcher, you're a warrior. Hence your obsession with being recognized, your "ruthless" self-characterization, your longing to get your name in the history books, and your frequent references to "taking down" NASA and the legitimate scholars who study the history of space exploration. Researchers seek truth; warriors seek glory.

I ask this question at least once a day, and you explicitly keep ignoring it: why do you think everyone who is suitably educated believes Apollo was real?

By the way, I clearly admitted my mistake about the Julian dating issue. I went and listened to the relevant Collins/CapCom conversation myself and indeed heard them both say "Juliet". I admitted my initial interpretation was in error. I have moved on and I learned from my mistake. I read NASA's entire coordinate manual. It was helpful, and I learned about the LAM 2 map as well. That map lead me to the mysterious blue dot about which I now ask you.

 

[JayUtah]

By the way, I clearly admitted my mistake about the Julian dating issue.

Irrelevant. You still made it, and it's still an elementary mistake. Which still undermines your claim to be the only one clever, intelligent, and astute enough to see the Apollo hoax. Admitted or not, basic errors make it more likely that the explanation for your "discrepancies" is that you don't know what you're talking about.

Which brings me back to the same question you've ignored a dozen times: Why do you think everyone who is suitably educated believes that Apollo is real?