Hi all,
I'm wondering if EMRTC is maybe not the right place for this dust analysis since they can';t do the spectograph. Here would be what I would consider ideal:
1) Located in India so far away from any US political issues but still a country with an educated populus scienjtific infrastructure etc. Also cheap.
2) Can do a spectograph looking for aluminum and all ingredients of unexploded thermitics.
3) Can also look for exploded materials by looking for positive and negative ions.
in India
I need help finding not only the place to do all this but also exactly what to ask them to look for. Anyone have ideas on how to find a reputable dust lab in India that can find explosive materials specifically and can do several tests all in one place (or can farm it out)?
From there I would offer it up to Kevin Ryan and Richard Gage personally and see what they say. Thanks in advance if anyone can dig this up and ask the right questions to get a really good independent analysis. Then Bill is right, let the (thermitic?) chips fall where they may. If they say yes and it turns up positive, there will be other bridges to cross re chain of custody etc but we'll see if we will even cross that bridge, ever.
You're asking the wrong questions by getting too specific, too soon. Don't tell a professional how to do his job. ("Do a spectrograph ...") Tell him the end point that you want, and ask him if he can get you there. In this case, "I want to know if there is thermite in this sample."
There are professionals who look for forensic evidence of thermite. They work at accredited forensic laboratories around the US (& the world), and are called into service if the FBI or a local fire department suspects that arson has occurred using thermite.
The tests that Harrit, et al, conducted are NOT conclusive for thermite. Those tests will tell you the elements, but not the compounds. It is useless to know that there is iron, oxygen & aluminum in some sample, because those elements are so ubiquitous. They occur in countless samples that are not thermite.
You can find analytical laboratories around the country by looking on "thomasnet.com". I'd type in "chemical analysis", then select "services".
Call up a few. Ask to speak directly to the chemists that perform the tests. Not the people that answer the phones. Surprisingly, you can almost always do this.
Ask them if there is any DEFINITIVE, UNQUALIFIED test that they can perform to unquestionably identify thermite in a sample. They will tell you "yes, x-ray diffraction". This test will give you both the elements AND their compounds.
Then look for a lab that does this test (as I said, usually for arson investigation).
How incompetent is it of Harrit, Jones, Ryan et al, to reinvent their own, nondeterministic test, rather than to simply use one that is readily available, done by professionals & cheap?
BTW, Harrit knows about this argument. It was brought to his attention when I posted it in a BBC thread. His basic response: "tfk's right, but clearly he's politically motivated."
Don't trust me, Chris.
Do this yourself. It'll only take about 30 minutes to call 3 independent labs. Deal only with professionals.
tom
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