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I bet he plays doctors and nurses now and again.
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I bet he plays doctors and nurses now and again.
BINGO! I knew "Patrick" reminded me of someone! Anyone that has read Earnest K. Gann's classic, Fate is the Hunter (don't watch the movie of the same name - it's awful and Gann hated it), will recognize in "Patrick" the person Gann calls "Dudley" from chapter 17, entitled "A Pretender". Someone that claimed formidable expertise and skills as both a pilot and navigator flying for a post war airline. For those that haven't read the book, I don't want to spoil it, but it is the exact same personality.
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He may somewhere have actually read "Julian," however one must read those initial transcripts with a grain of salt.
NASA realized that written transcripts were valuable to the public relations effort. So they wanted to make mission transcripts available as soon as possible after the Net 1 tapes came off the recorders. Sensibly enough, they hired an army of transcriptionists from the resources available in the Houston area steno pool.
They realized too late that Apollo dialogue contained specialized phraseology that these ladies (not to be sexist, but this was 1960s Texas and they were indeed all ladies) simply couldn't follow. Among the specialized dialogue was the International Phonetic Alphabet. So the first-draft transcripts are full of amusing interpretations of IPA spellings as well as other spaceflight-specific jargon.
Normally a reporter or transcriber is allowed to interrupt the subject and ask something to be repeated or spelled. Here no, because they worked from tapes sent over from the MSFN hub in Houston. So the draft transcripts stood for a number of years because NASA had not line-itemed a budget for transcript editing.
That's something you have to know if you want to be a serious Apollo historian. You can't take the first-draft transcripts at face value. History just doesn't get recorded as cleanly as one's naive expectations suggest. So I'm perfectly willing to believe he saw "Julian" on a page somewhere simply because 55-year-old Gladys Jenkins is used to transcribing oil company board room minutes and not pilot-speak.
But he said he heard it, so that makes it his interpretation (and therefore his responsibility) whether he heard "Juliet" or "Julian." Again, we know from the context that "Juliet" was spoken. It's obvious, especially to someone who has listened to much Apollo audio or has worked with radio. "Well that's what I heard" in that case simply becomes a testament to Patrick's incompetence, not a legitimate excuse for error.
Sorry, but nothing I can say will make a "fool" of you that you haven't already done to yourself.
In almost every post, you make the same "burden of proof" mistake. Are you completely incapable of learning from your mistakes?
Trouble?...from you??
Read some of the old posts from BAUT and the Apollo hoax forums. You are a "rookie" when it comes to "debating" Apollo...Many have tried, and all have failed, miserably.
That you can't see that only (once again) demonstrates your incredible ignorance.
You're obviously not a MD, so stop with the diagnosis crap.
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In the past, Patrick has often developed Internet connectivity problems under circumstances such as these. We may just have to be patient until he can find an Internet cafe and return here. By that time he may have also worked out a new theory about Apollo not involving maps, something we all look forward to, no doubt.
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Cislunar sanitation
I am enjoying the map thing immensely. That said, had to share this new bit with regard to Apollo 8, Frank Borman, Charles Berry, and the EPIC DIARRHEA CHARADE OF '68.
What is so very significant about the whole phony loose stool in outer space ruse is that it proves all of Apollo fraudulent in this delightfully ironic way. Here you have this "HIGH TECH SPACE AQDVENTURE", and then we wind up showing the whole thing is a dumb con simply by proving the astronauts couldn't defecate in even the most remotely of hygenic senses. Such is the case so much so, that it is obvious the excursions to the moon are fraudulent. Couldn't have done it with the "equipment available". Neil Armstrong's pretend bathroom below. Neil did ask them to "do in in blue";
A real space ship bathroom, as they had in the space station/shuttle;
So check this out, from author Craig Nelson's highly regarded book, ROCKET MEN (Penguin 2009, page 199).
"On Apollo 8' first night in space, Frank Borman couldn't fall asleep. after two hours of tossing in his hammock, he took a Seconal. A few hours later, he awoke convulsed in vomiting and diarrhea. Houston's Mission Control actually has a twin of itself in case two flights are launched simultaneously. That room is also used when astronauts need to communicate in confidence, as Borman did when he informed ground control that he was seriously ill. NASA doctors became alarmed that a virus might have invaded the capsule, which could quickly spread to the other astronauts and incapacitate the entire crew. Frank Borman; " At the time I didn't know it was motion sickness...You know the damn doctors-what-100,000 miles away; he doesn't know what's going on. And I got over it very rapidly. and Jim and Bill both told me that they felt quesy, too, when they started moving around. And i threw up a couple times, and it was over with. It wasn't a big deal...Somebody said that Glenn puked when he got back too."
THOUGH NOT CONTAGIOUS, the commander's illness did have quite an effect on his crew. "The one nice thing about being on Earth, if someone gets sick, it lands on the floor, " Bill Anders said. "In zero-g, it floats around. So when poor Frank Borman became ill, fortunately the spacecraft was in good shape, we were coasting along; it wasn't a particularly critical time...The stuff was floating around. I grabbed an emergency oxygen mask because the smell was really bad and clamped it on because I didn't want to get sick as well...But I do remember watching this blob of vomitus drigfting up out of the navigation bay; Lovell and I were up in the -flying the spacecraft. and it had a three-dimensional oscillation to it and I reverted to my scientific physics training and I was just amazed at the three dimensional oscillation of this thing. You know, you don't see that on earth because you can't simulate zero-g.
" And so I am watching it and Lovell's sitting next to me and it's drifting kind of like this and then it split. It oscillated too much and in the laws of conservation and momentum, see, that the one piece that's going this way has to be balanced by the other piece going the other way, and so we watched it and as it headed towards Lovell-thank God-he was almost out of focus watching this thing splat onto his chest and spread out like a fried egg. So we spent, you know, a couple of hours going around the spacecraft with kind of paper wipes, like butterfly catchers trying to catch butterflies, mopping this stuff out of the air or off the walls. It was bad. You know it's amazing, after a while you didn't smell it. not because the smell went away-'cause you get used to it. I guess a skunk can learn to live with himself."
So what is going on here??? Well as most readers of this thread are aware, NASA explains this funny occurance by referencing the Space Agency's and the Apollo Program's in particular, connection with the great Nobel Prize winning physical chemist Harold Clayton Urey.
Urey was indeed a member of the Apollo scientific community. In 1953, Urey and Stanley Miller, then at the University of Chicago, ran an electric spark through a flask containing methane, hydrogen, water, and ammonia. Amino acids were formed as a result and some argued this demonstrated the feasibility of amino acids and perhaps "life" itself forming spontaneously from a similarly composed ancient terrestrial astmosphere.
Following up on this idea, as NASA typically relates the story anyway, Urey planned to have a laser beam shot throught the window of the Apollo 8 command module and so "spark" the Borman fecal concoction. In this way, it was said that Urey in his role as an Apollo scientist, would hopefully demonstrate that the moon could be colonized without women, astronaut feces enlivened by laser light being all that would be necessary to carry on up there in cislunar space and within the first moon colony. Laser light + astronaut poop = life.
Marginally plausible, I never bought into this explanation. As previously mentioned, I believe the Apollo Missions were fraudulent. Why, because this very Borman diarrhea episode proves such must be the case. From the Medical Observations section of the Apollo 8 Mission Report.
"When the Commander was unable to fall asleep 2 hours into his initial
rest period at 11:00:00, he took a 100-mg sleeping tablet, which induced
approximately 5 hours of sleep described as "fitful." Upon awakening,
the Commander felt nauseated and had a moderate occiptal headache. He
took two 5-grain aspirin tablets and then went from the sleep station to
his couch to rest. The nausea, however, became progressively worse,
retching occurred, and vomiting happened twice. After termination of his
first sleep period, the Commander also became aware of some increased
gastrointestinal distress and was concerned that diarrhea might occur.
As the mission progressed, the medical flight controller had the impression
that the Commander was experiencing an acute viral gastroenteritis.This tentative diagnosis was based upon the delayed transmission of a recorded voice report that the Commander had a headache, a sore
throat, loose bowels, and had vomited twice. A conversation between the
chief medical flight controller and the Commander verified that the previous
report was correct, but that the Commander was feeling much better.
The Commander also stated that he had not taken any medication for his
illness, which he described as a "2h-hour intestinal flu." Just prior
to the Apollo 8 launch, an epidemic of acute viral gastroenteritis lasting
ing 24 hours was present in the Cape Kennedy area. The Commander's temperature was 97.5 ° F on two occasions subsequent to his nausea and vomiting. The Commander was advised to take one Lomotil tablet and to use the Marezine if the nausea should return; however, the Commander did not take this medication because his inflight illness soon remitted completely, and no further treatment was required. In the postflight medical debriefing, the Commander reported that his symptoms may have been a side effect of the sleeping tablet. It was disclosed that during his preflight trial of this drug, he had experienced a mild "hangover" and an uncomfortable feeling bordering on nausea. When he used this same drug on two occasions during the flight, he experienced symptoms identical to those encountered in the drug trial. During the debriefing, his vomitus was described as liquid in character and presented no difficulty to aspiration."
Recall from previous posts, Seconal and "Space Sickness" are not asscociated with diarrea. Recall also that Borman himself said HE TOOK A SECOND SECONAL TABLET TO SEE IF THAT WAS WHAT MADE HIM SICK TO BEGIN WITH. An utterly preposterous claim. No doctor woul have allowed that, beyond ridiculous.
The reason I am bringing this particular quote to the attention of the interested has mostly to do with the fact that specific mention is made in the Craig Nelson ROCKET MEN book(advisors for this serious and highly regarded book included Collins, Aldrin , Kraft) that the "aerosolized vomitus and diarrhea" was NOT CONTAGIOUS. and of course nothing could be further from the truth.
Charles Berry supposedly concluded that this illness was on the basis of viral gastroenteritis. As such, Borman's stool and vomitus would be very very very contagious. AND it would be so with regard to putting all at risk, including Borman himself, for acquiring not only infectious gastroenteritis, but an atypical pneumonia as well.
As mentioned previously, what is incredibly revealing about all this is not only the fact that the thing is obviously fake, the doctors not behaving as they should, not cautioning, not encouraging whatever cleaning possible of the zero-g environment, but more significantly, it shows us all that the environment, every and all Apollo environments, are simply unsafe. At any time, on any mission, the "air" in the cabin can literally come alive with infectious pathogens. Was there ever an environmental report on this? No! Was there ever mention what if anything the air filter can do? No! And on and on and on and on. Never was heard, an appropriate word, from the medical clowns or the environmental people . This illness was fake fake fake fake!
What did they do, or say they did? Cleaned it up with paper towels/wipes. Paper towels? E. coli? Salmonella? Viruses associated with viral gastroenteritis? Paper towels/wipes? Give me a break! There were bugs everywhere, on everything, including Lovell.
Anders says in the passage quoted above that he put on an oxygen mask and clamped it down, thinking that would perhaps help to keep him from getting sick as well. Somewhat credible because of course were that the case, he would be correct. He would be at risk big time, as every astronaut would be were any of the Apollo missions authentic to begin with. Of course none were for this very reason.
NOT CONTAGIOUS?!!!!????
This makes the most important point about all of this nonsense. Writers like Craig Nelson, inocent as they are, and well intentioned as they are, are fed this garbage, "not contagious", to patch up the story.
It is transparent as all get out and almost for sure Charles Berry is in on the fraud. Or at the very least, the diarrhea fraud.
I am enjoying the map thing immensely. That said, had to share this new bit with regard to Apollo 8, Frank Borman, Charles Berry, and the EPIC DIARRHEA CHARADE OF '68.
What is so very significant about the whole phony loose stool in outer space ruse is that it proves all of Apollo fraudulent in this delightfully ironic way. Here you have this "HIGH TECH SPACE AQDVENTURE", and then we wind up showing the whole thing is a dumb con simply by proving the astronauts couldn't defecate in even the most remotely of hygenic senses. Such is the case so much so, that it is obvious the excursions to the moon are fraudulent. Couldn't have done it with the "equipment available". Neil Armstrong's pretend bathroom below. Neil did ask them to "do in in blue";
A real space ship bathroom, as they had in the space station/shuttle;
So check this out, from author Craig Nelson's highly regarded book, ROCKET MEN (Penguin 2009, page 199).
"On Apollo 8' first night in space, Frank Borman couldn't fall asleep. after two hours of tossing in his hammock, he took a Seconal. A few hours later, he awoke convulsed in vomiting and diarrhea. Houston's Mission Control actually has a twin of itself in case two flights are launched simultaneously. That room is also used when astronauts need to communicate in confidence, as Borman did when he informed ground control that he was seriously ill. NASA doctors became alarmed that a virus might have invaded the capsule, which could quickly spread to the other astronauts and incapacitate the entire crew. Frank Borman; " At the time I didn't know it was motion sickness...You know the damn doctors-what-100,000 miles away; he doesn't know what's going on. And I got over it very rapidly. and Jim and Bill both told me that they felt quesy, too, when they started moving around. And i threw up a couple times, and it was over with. It wasn't a big deal...Somebody said that Glenn puked when he got back too."
THOUGH NOT CONTAGIOUS, the commander's illness did have quite an effect on his crew. "The one nice thing about being on Earth, if someone gets sick, it lands on the floor, " Bill Anders said. "In zero-g, it floats around. So when poor Frank Borman became ill, fortunately the spacecraft was in good shape, we were coasting along; it wasn't a particularly critical time...The stuff was floating around. I grabbed an emergency oxygen mask because the smell was really bad and clamped it on because I didn't want to get sick as well...But I do remember watching this blob of vomitus drigfting up out of the navigation bay; Lovell and I were up in the -flying the spacecraft. and it had a three-dimensional oscillation to it and I reverted to my scientific physics training and I was just amazed at the three dimensional oscillation of this thing. You know, you don't see that on earth because you can't simulate zero-g.
" And so I am watching it and Lovell's sitting next to me and it's drifting kind of like this and then it split. It oscillated too much and in the laws of conservation and momentum, see, that the one piece that's going this way has to be balanced by the other piece going the other way, and so we watched it and as it headed towards Lovell-thank God-he was almost out of focus watching this thing splat onto his chest and spread out like a fried egg. So we spent, you know, a couple of hours going around the spacecraft with kind of paper wipes, like butterfly catchers trying to catch butterflies, mopping this stuff out of the air or off the walls. It was bad. You know it's amazing, after a while you didn't smell it. not because the smell went away-'cause you get used to it. I guess a skunk can learn to live with himself."
So what is going on here??? Well as most readers of this thread are aware, NASA explains this funny occurance by referencing the Space Agency's and the Apollo Program's in particular, connection with the great Nobel Prize winning physical chemist Harold Clayton Urey.
Urey was indeed a member of the Apollo scientific community. In 1953, Urey and Stanley Miller, then at the University of Chicago, ran an electric spark through a flask containing methane, hydrogen, water, and ammonia. Amino acids were formed as a result and some argued this demonstrated the feasibility of amino acids and perhaps "life" itself forming spontaneously from a similarly composed ancient terrestrial astmosphere.
Following up on this idea, as NASA typically relates the story anyway, Urey planned to have a laser beam shot throught the window of the Apollo 8 command module and so "spark" the Borman fecal concoction. In this way, it was said that Urey in his role as an Apollo scientist, would hopefully demonstrate that the moon could be colonized without women, astronaut feces enlivened by laser light being all that would be necessary to carry on up there in cislunar space and within the first moon colony. Laser light + astronaut poop = life.
Marginally plausible, I never bought into this explanation. As previously mentioned, I believe the Apollo Missions were fraudulent. Why, because this very Borman diarrhea episode proves such must be the case. From the Medical Observations section of the Apollo 8 Mission Report.
"When the Commander was unable to fall asleep 2 hours into his initial
rest period at 11:00:00, he took a 100-mg sleeping tablet, which induced
approximately 5 hours of sleep described as "fitful." Upon awakening,
the Commander felt nauseated and had a moderate occiptal headache. He
took two 5-grain aspirin tablets and then went from the sleep station to
his couch to rest. The nausea, however, became progressively worse,
retching occurred, and vomiting happened twice. After termination of his
first sleep period, the Commander also became aware of some increased
gastrointestinal distress and was concerned that diarrhea might occur.
As the mission progressed, the medical flight controller had the impression
that the Commander was experiencing an acute viral gastroenteritis.This tentative diagnosis was based upon the delayed transmission of a recorded voice report that the Commander had a headache, a sore
throat, loose bowels, and had vomited twice. A conversation between the
chief medical flight controller and the Commander verified that the previous
report was correct, but that the Commander was feeling much better.
The Commander also stated that he had not taken any medication for his
illness, which he described as a "2h-hour intestinal flu." Just prior
to the Apollo 8 launch, an epidemic of acute viral gastroenteritis lasting
ing 24 hours was present in the Cape Kennedy area. The Commander's temperature was 97.5 ° F on two occasions subsequent to his nausea and vomiting. The Commander was advised to take one Lomotil tablet and to use the Marezine if the nausea should return; however, the Commander did not take this medication because his inflight illness soon remitted completely, and no further treatment was required. In the postflight medical debriefing, the Commander reported that his symptoms may have been a side effect of the sleeping tablet. It was disclosed that during his preflight trial of this drug, he had experienced a mild "hangover" and an uncomfortable feeling bordering on nausea. When he used this same drug on two occasions during the flight, he experienced symptoms identical to those encountered in the drug trial. During the debriefing, his vomitus was described as liquid in character and presented no difficulty to aspiration."
Recall from previous posts, Seconal and "Space Sickness" are not asscociated with diarrea. Recall also that Borman himself said HE TOOK A SECOND SECONAL TABLET TO SEE IF THAT WAS WHAT MADE HIM SICK TO BEGIN WITH. An utterly preposterous claim. No doctor woul have allowed that, beyond ridiculous.
The reason I am bringing this particular quote to the attention of the interested has mostly to do with the fact that specific mention is made in the Craig Nelson ROCKET MEN book(advisors for this serious and highly regarded book included Collins, Aldrin , Kraft) that the "aerosolized vomitus and diarrhea" was NOT CONTAGIOUS. and of course nothing could be further from the truth.
Charles Berry supposedly concluded that this illness was on the basis of viral gastroenteritis. As such, Borman's stool and vomitus would be very very very contagious. AND it would be so with regard to putting all at risk, including Borman himself, for acquiring not only infectious gastroenteritis, but an atypical pneumonia as well.
As mentioned previously, what is incredibly revealing about all this is not only the fact that the thing is obviously fake, the doctors not behaving as they should, not cautioning, not encouraging whatever cleaning possible of the zero-g environment, but more significantly, it shows us all that the environment, every and all Apollo environments, are simply unsafe. At any time, on any mission, the "air" in the cabin can literally come alive with infectious pathogens. Was there ever an environmental report on this? No! Was there ever mention what if anything the air filter can do? No! And on and on and on and on. Never was heard, an appropriate word, from the medical clowns or the environmental people . This illness was fake fake fake fake!
What did they do, or say they did? Cleaned it up with paper towels/wipes. Paper towels? E. coli? Salmonella? Viruses associated with viral gastroenteritis? Paper towels/wipes? Give me a break! There were bugs everywhere, on everything, including Lovell.
Anders says in the passage quoted above that he put on an oxygen mask and clamped it down, thinking that would perhaps help to keep him from getting sick as well. Somewhat credible because of course were that the case, he would be correct. He would be at risk big time, as every astronaut would be were any of the Apollo missions authentic to begin with. Of course none were for this very reason.
NOT CONTAGIOUS?!!!!????
This makes the most important point about all of this nonsense. Writers like Craig Nelson, inocent as they are, and well intentioned as they are, are fed this garbage, "not contagious", to patch up the story.
It is transparent as all get out and almost for sure Charles Berry is in on the fraud. Or at the very least, the diarrhea fraud.
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Just getting warmed up on the map thing my friend. Couldn't resist sharing this.
Just getting warmed up on the map thing my friend. Couldn't resist sharing this diarrhea stuff though. I think it is so interesting how these poor saps like Nelson get scammed. Fed this jive.
Anyway, guess I'll get back to the maps. That is my favorite topic after all, the coordinate confusion stuff.
Just getting warmed up on the map thing my friend. Couldn't resist sharing this diarrhea stuff though. I think it is so interesting how these poor saps like Nelson get scammed. Fed this jive.
Anyway, guess I'll get back to the maps. That is my favorite topic after all, the coordinate confusion stuff.
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Tell us a bedtime story, Uncle Pat. I particulary liked the one about how the use of the moon solved the long distance radio communication problem...
Much more interesting than your overt scat fetish.
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Hardly Desperate SUSpilot
Hardly Desperate SUSpilot, the thing has only been goin' on forever. We have nothing but time. I could easily see me posting you back, just like this, a year form now. I mean, who really cares but us?
Most of the public cares not a whit, one way or the other. So I guess I am doing it for myself, out of self respect.
The thing is obviously a fake, and so it is better to cut our losses. Perpetuating this, hurts us all, in principle. Telling children there is no starlight visible in space when riding in space ships, telling children there are no stars visible from the surface of the moon, telling geologists that rocks from the moon were obtained in such and such a way when they were not, pretending something as historic as a moon landing occurred when it did not, this is all very harmful , now in this day and age.
Once upon a "cold war", it was defensible and I imagine appropriate, though the fallout was not well thought through. The repercussions of the moon fraud becoming public knowledge, and the moon fraud will eventually become public knowledge, will be astronomical.
I just said the public cares not, but only in the context of a debate. When the Apollo fraud all comes to the fore in some general publically acknowledged sense, the embarrassment will be catastrophic. This is one reason why we should fess up now, Armstrong should, while he can salvage some real dignity.
Hardly Desperate SUSpilot, the thing has only been goin' on forever. We have nothing but time. I could easily see me posting you back, just like this, a year form now. I mean, who really cares but us?
Most of the public cares not a whit, one way or the other. So I guess I am doing it for myself, out of self respect.
The thing is obviously a fake, and so it is better to cut our losses. Perpetuating this, hurts us all, in principle. Telling children there is no starlight visible in space when riding in space ships, telling children there are no stars visible from the surface of the moon, telling geologists that rocks from the moon were obtained in such and such a way when they were not, pretending something as historic as a moon landing occurred when it did not, this is all very harmful , now in this day and age.
Once upon a "cold war", it was defensible and I imagine appropriate, though the fallout was not well thought through. The repercussions of the moon fraud becoming public knowledge, and the moon fraud will eventually become public knowledge, will be astronomical.
I just said the public cares not, but only in the context of a debate. When the Apollo fraud all comes to the fore in some general publically acknowledged sense, the embarrassment will be catastrophic. This is one reason why we should fess up now, Armstrong should, while he can salvage some real dignity.
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As you recall, "Project moon relay" was a real life Navy operation
As you recall, "Project moon relay" was a real life Navy operation.
As you recall, "Project moon relay" was a real life Navy operation.
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If you would simply go back & check your work you might clear up your confusion.
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oops, it appears you have debunked your own claim. Check the date of the project and the rationale for it.
MY Grief IT ALL FITS.
The Stool obsession...the fake degrees...having lots of free time.
You are Gillian McKeith and I claim my five pounds.
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Sorry But no Cigar
Sorry But no Cigar. Check this out, from the Apollo 10 Mission. The map is labeled correctly, 00 41' 15" north and 23 26' 00" east overlies "Tranquility Base" on the May 1969 Apollo 10 map. This proves the Apollo 11 map to have been labeled inappropriately, or equivalently, fraudulently.
Go to this site for Apollo 11 multimedia;
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/images11.html
Scroll down to the section; "Landing Site Maps and Images"
"Apollo Landing Site 2:
Flown Apollo 10 Map ( 140k )
This flown map shows the proposed landing ellipse and has three hand-drawn, rough ovals in the southwestern quadrant, possibly areas examined by the
Apollo 10 crew in one or more passes over the site. Ulli Lotzmann provides a version with the actual Apollo 11 landing site marked ( 90k )."
Click on the 140K and 90 K Apollo 10 flown "landing site map(s)". You will see first of all that the maps were dated May 1969, this scaling and labeling was not done after the fact. You will see unlike the Michael Collins flown map, these maps of the identical area with pretty much the same surfboard pattern and with the 90 K map including Tranquility Base(that one mark made "after the fact), that these maps indeed square with the landing ellipse and in particular with the "Apollo 11 landing site" at 00 41' 15" and 23 26' 00" east.
These Apollo 10 grids were dated May 1969. They cover the same territory AND THE GRIDS ARE NOT SHIFTED AS IN THE APOLLO 11 FLOWN MAP. THIS PROVES THE APOLLO 11 MAP TO HAVE A SHIFTED GRID AND TO BE FRAUDULENT.
Sorry But no Cigar. Check this out, from the Apollo 10 Mission. The map is labeled correctly, 00 41' 15" north and 23 26' 00" east overlies "Tranquility Base" on the May 1969 Apollo 10 map. This proves the Apollo 11 map to have been labeled inappropriately, or equivalently, fraudulently.
Go to this site for Apollo 11 multimedia;
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/images11.html
Scroll down to the section; "Landing Site Maps and Images"
"Apollo Landing Site 2:
Flown Apollo 10 Map ( 140k )
This flown map shows the proposed landing ellipse and has three hand-drawn, rough ovals in the southwestern quadrant, possibly areas examined by the
Apollo 10 crew in one or more passes over the site. Ulli Lotzmann provides a version with the actual Apollo 11 landing site marked ( 90k )."
Click on the 140K and 90 K Apollo 10 flown "landing site map(s)". You will see first of all that the maps were dated May 1969, this scaling and labeling was not done after the fact. You will see unlike the Michael Collins flown map, these maps of the identical area with pretty much the same surfboard pattern and with the 90 K map including Tranquility Base(that one mark made "after the fact), that these maps indeed square with the landing ellipse and in particular with the "Apollo 11 landing site" at 00 41' 15" and 23 26' 00" east.
These Apollo 10 grids were dated May 1969. They cover the same territory AND THE GRIDS ARE NOT SHIFTED AS IN THE APOLLO 11 FLOWN MAP. THIS PROVES THE APOLLO 11 MAP TO HAVE A SHIFTED GRID AND TO BE FRAUDULENT.
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Quite Frankly, I am Embarassed for you.
Quite Frankly, I am Embarassed for you.
As above, go to this site;
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/images11.html
Click on the Apollo 10 maps as indicated. You will see how they are labelled differently than the Apollo 11 fraudulent hokey jive map. The grid is where it should be on the Apollo 10 flown map, with 00 41' 15" north and 23 26' 00" east overlying Tranquility Base. As you compare the maps, you will see how the Apollo 11 flown map grid was "moved over the surface" of the moon to the west and a bit to the north by 1.3 miles. Note the Apollo 10 map is dated May 1969, so they knew how to grid the map appropriately in May of 1969. The Apollo 11 map we therefore conclude is a ruse, con, scam.
Quite Frankly, I am Embarassed for you.
As above, go to this site;
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/images11.html
Click on the Apollo 10 maps as indicated. You will see how they are labelled differently than the Apollo 11 fraudulent hokey jive map. The grid is where it should be on the Apollo 10 flown map, with 00 41' 15" north and 23 26' 00" east overlying Tranquility Base. As you compare the maps, you will see how the Apollo 11 flown map grid was "moved over the surface" of the moon to the west and a bit to the north by 1.3 miles. Note the Apollo 10 map is dated May 1969, so they knew how to grid the map appropriately in May of 1969. The Apollo 11 map we therefore conclude is a ruse, con, scam.
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I suggest you check the Apollo 10 map too SUSpilot
I suggest you check the Apollo 10 map too SUSpilot, you may have second thoughts about declaring victory in this map debate. Those three blind mice, the clowns in the fake tin can, they are busted here, flat out busted.
Don't worry too much SUSpilot, most people don't care too much, at least not yet that they got scammed this way. Your "secret" is safe for a while.
Do you want me to go back to the diarrhea thing, or should I just keep pummeling you with this map stuff?
I suggest you check the Apollo 10 map too SUSpilot, you may have second thoughts about declaring victory in this map debate. Those three blind mice, the clowns in the fake tin can, they are busted here, flat out busted.
Don't worry too much SUSpilot, most people don't care too much, at least not yet that they got scammed this way. Your "secret" is safe for a while.
Do you want me to go back to the diarrhea thing, or should I just keep pummeling you with this map stuff?
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